Topic: Wixiplay.io is rigged | one in ten million session | fake PF (Read 1719 times)

By doing some simple maths then this isnt technically possible and if  it is then lots would really be rich. If we do maths then hitting 10 losses in a row with 1.10x odds is really nearly 0%
but its still there. Your mind would be boggling on how the hell it can be possible on having a streak like that? Busting up is common specially when using martingale.

If maximum losses were limited then its an advantage but hey, this business wont exist in the first place.

Remember about  this wixiplay and im not really fan on testing out waters and just simply stick with the best and reputable ones.Common issues like these arent really something new.

they never been fair check theses videos exposed since 10 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OXjKcheAug&ab_channel=MichaelShackleford
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkDiE4hThAM&ab_channel=MichaelShackleford

Wondering if you expected the probability to be higher or lower, considering you said the chances of winning 523coin flips is 49.5%. The chances is almost 50%, but (in reality?) the probability of winning 199 of that seem really low. I assume both words(chances and probablity) are somewhat synonymous. I sometimes interchange them.

Well there isn't a max losses on any multiplier. You can get even 20 losses on a row on 1.10x but the change that it will happen is very small.

I wish there was a maximum amount of losses of some multiplier. I would be rich already.

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Sorry guys. I was forced to sell the site few months ago and I didn't have aproovement to say that. Bye bye                                          that's the amount he stole from me personally!   https://prnt.sc/vljpwb

> Owner arguing with people on the thread telling them to shut up
> Trying to deter it from him by accusing others of organized attacks "Maybe some people are mad we grew this fast!"

If he were honest IMO and he didn't understand why his developers did the PF algorithm this way, it would've been best to shut the site down til the new system is up regardless and make a transparency ann.

Many knows about how rigged that site is and I will agree on what dunfida is saying here create a scam accusation thread and state how they scam you and put those evidence as support on your claims, this will help other to get alerted to not play on this site since they have unresolved issue.

We understand the feeling of getting wrecked by a gambling site but don't get angry with people telling some suggestions here, Good luck bud.

Sorry but yes you are right and in general I agree with most casinos that shit like that does happen but do you realise that that percentage is even more than the biggest lottery in my country?

10,000,000,000 is 10 billion.

1 in 10 billion chance. And the guy tested your system right after all this accusations and hit the lottery?

If you don’t help me in any way, then don’t take my time anymore.

Ecли вы мнe ни кaк нe пoмoжeтe, тo нe зaнимaйтe мoe вpeмя бoльшe

You wont make it that far just because of 58k DOGE but well i know how you do feel man since its money after all and does have value.
Wixiplay had already some past issues about fairness and now they've comeback claiming that everything had been sorted and solved out but us people on the community do still have those
doubts.
Also you can post up in accusations board : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Registration of accounts was with different IP and the transfer of tips was one-time. There were no violations. Just blocked for no reason. I have strong people, if they don’t return the money to me, let them say goodbye to their casino. I give them a couple of days

Peгиcтpaция aккayнтoв былa c paзными IP и пepeвoдoм чaeвыx был oднopaзoвый. Hи кaкиx нapyшeний нe былo. Пpocтo бeз пpичиннo зaблoкиpoвaли. У мeня ecть cильныe люди, ecли нe вepнyт мнe дeньги, пycкaй пpoщaютcя co cвoим кaзинo. Дaю им пapy днeй

If those accounts been registered on same IP then its definitely an alt account trying to tip on each other and even though its on far away people can still make use of VPN for it to have different IP's.
Is this a one time transfer of tip or already lots? Abuses cant be tolerated but if you're claims were true then there should be some consideration.Lets hear out into their on forums
support on what would they do for this one.

Здpaвcтвyйтe! Дaннoe кaзинo мoшeнники я пepeвeл cвoeмy бpaтy чaeвыe, кoтopый живeт oчeнь дaлeкo oт мeня и нac двoиx зaблoкиpoвaли. Cкaзaли мyльтиaккayнт. Ha дeпoзитe y мeня былo 58 854 ДOГE oни cвopoвaли мoи дeньги. Этo caмoe плoxoe кaзинo нe peгиcтpиpyйтecь никoгдa и нe игpaйтe здecь. He пoпoлняйтe кapмaны этиx плoxиx людeй. Moй aккayнт ник Кocтpaмyc вжтoй ,мoeгo бpaтa Элeктpoкoc
Aдмин плoxoй нe oтвeчaeт зa cвoи мoшeнничecкиe пocтyпки

Hello! This scam casino I transferred a tip to my brother, who lives very far from me and the two of us were blocked. They said multi-account. On the deposit I had 58 854 DOGE they stole my money. This is the worst casino ever sign up and play here. Don't fill the pockets of these bad people. My account is nickname Kostramus vztoy, my brother Electrokos
The bad admin is not responsible for his fraudulent actions

You can get max 10 loses in a row on 1.10x, the last one having a 0.00000001% chance to hit.

This one sucks!

1.1x and 9x losing streak? How the hell it do happened unless if they prove themselves to be totally shit. Have you tried to play with the current updates that been showed above? ^^ i doubt that you wont make another

deposit once again. Wixiplay had already messed up their reputation about fairness in the past and i cant be sure if they would able to fix it out not on technical aspects but on the impressions on where people do have on this site.

Once trust broken,it cant really be returned nor fixed it 100%.

Just got 9 red on 1.1x     impossible odds which happen once per 70 years.
New site, but still the same fake provably fair which never shows previous hashed seed and generate new seed after each roll
Let's work together to stop the scam! To whom we should talk to mark their thread as scam?

FYI Wixiplay have a new account and started promoting their services on it. I'm not sure as to whether or not their provable fairness system was fixed, but it seems like it didn't.

Here's their new thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wixiplayio-20-25-cashback-new-cryptocurrencies-features-top-5261052

Feel free to tag the new account as you see fit. I created a reputation thread for further discussion:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/red-trusted-casino-promotes-services-under-new-account-5261196

this is 100% scam this casino is shit !

yup i agree with this method, with the new competitor will be more bring options to players to pick where they want to play. Since i rarely roll on the dice site, i only knew my friend never takes long run on its play session.

Hi guys

Provably my account will be blocked after i post this video but i dont care.

You should not play in this casino. All bets are manipulated and they dont have nothing fair.
As you noticed this site is a Scam, Seeds are not fair, they change the servers seeds when they want.

Here is one video i could do and here you can see how they can manipulate the bets.

In my case they noticed i was winning more than "normal" for the casino and they changed the "system" in the background, more i bet more i lose.

Enjoy this SCAM video.

Fell free to share and warn more people.


https://youtu.be/txp3tpR6I18

I assume the only reason a casino would cheat is that they have no money to keep the bankroll going, yeah they will make money and profits with the 1% eventually and that is great for any business to know that you will eventually profit, however if they don't have enough money to cover for the losses they get, they probably pay from others deposits and make them lose so they won't have to pay them, they are basically trying to cover the lack of money they are facing right now.

I mean I doubt it is because they want to get everyone's money as quickly as possible, they will get everyone's money anyway, that is what a casino is so that can't be the reasoning, there must be some other reason why they are stealing from people that we can't really know or see or understand for now. That doesn't change the fact that they are stealing of course, just makes you wonder why it is.

Check his recent replies: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089271.220

I urge everyone to avoid this site like the plague at present. You are basically throwing away your money 100% by gambling here.  

Agreed. The owner of this site is basically dodging queries about this ongoing controversy on their main ANN thread on Bitcointalk which basically proves that op was right and potentially helped many people though people who are not aware of this issue still play there.

Its pretty crazy that there are sites out there that are trying to pull these cheats. Since almost every casino has a house edge, eventually they would turn a profit, doesn't really make sense to cheat. Unless they are greedy and want a bigger slice of the pie instead of the small 1% house edge profits.

I actually always wondered what % of people actually verify their bets. Most people on Bitcointalk are pretty technical and they probably check their bets from time to time. However most new people probably have no idea what "provably fair" even means let alone actually check their bets. Its probably why sites like 999dice and this one get away with these tricks to profit off the less informed people.

I tested it out today again and on my very first roll the server seed didn't match the server seed hash.

I did a 2x coin flip for my entire 1mbtc deposit.  Before the round it said serverseed_hash = e09d311bd7d007bce4141ea30b7ea726cad88b592af8993d3c45b4a6d15e2138

After the round, it said serverseed = 5f14e5353a6b5d4ab3039a232cf9f72924d77cbbac1cb750ff7f1b5ea0c85809TeUBURTRQY, which doesn't hash to what they said it would hash to.

This is the smoking gun of cheating.  They are changing the server seed to alter the outcome of the game.

Here's a screenshot:  https://i.ibb.co/xSTMLVc/wixi-cheats.png

Their bonuses seemed too good to be true and now I know why.

Admins, can we please get red warning thing at the top of the wixiplay thread?

BTW here's my php source code for checking the PF:

you just realized that their contests are as fair as their provably fair?
welcome to the late realization land 
it took me a couple of days observing the contests near the end and in progression during the day/week
to arrive to the conclusion , it is not against the TOS of the site , it is ,most likely the same person being connected to the site taking all the places
or waiting for you to deposit and wager more and lose ( potentially)

after a dozen messages back and forth.. they told me they only keep 1 month worth of history...
they told me to find another casino that doesn't do this... I asked them to find another casino that does!
amazingly... if you look at the daily contest in the last few days... I placed 4th both times... yesterday I had about 4btc wagered... had I had .2 btc more wagered.. I would have placed 1st...   pretty much same story the day before...  I found it odd that they didn't seem to care so much about beating eachother.... but simply surpassing me.. as the days progressed closer to the end... they didn't want a cushion... it really feels like it's one person... which is against the ToS of the site... 

 Dude its not about the provably fair anymore and its sad to see you still think its about that. Yeah maybe your provably fair was bad and it needed to be fixed and even you said that you will fix it, but thats something people can live with, even if you just ignored it the talks about your provably fair would have been gone after a while and people would forget about it and there would be new people constantly that plays on your website who didn't even know there was a talk about your provably fair at all.

 The problem is your attitude now, there was a complaint about the provably fair and all you had to do was saying "we didn't realize the mistake, we will soon fix it, sorry for any inconvience, we assure everyone that there was no wrong doing on our end and you can claim your history back anytime you want it", which is really what you are doing, you are fixing the provably fair already and you are giving people the history back and those are all awesome stuff how you can recover from this, only if you also treated people better as well, since you attacked everyone there is no way people would look at your website nicely anymore, you didn't treat them good so they will treat you bad as well.

Only 200% but yeah it could be that. Dice is a popular game but most places will only give you at maximum 100% deposit bonus. The 200% is double of that and that along with the daily contests made it very popular.

Wixi's mistake is not asking players to test out their PF system,,, now no one will believe them. A bit sad but lesson learned.

I think better to lock the site until the system is changed and be transparent.

This is one of those "it is not what you say but how you say it" situations. Maybe wixiplay is right, maybe they didn't steal anything from anyone, there is literally zero proof of anyone getting their money stolen, however that doesn't change the fact that their provably fair is not upto date and proper, they need to update it and that is what the customers were complaining about. When customers come together and make a whole topic about it and tell you that you need to fix the provably fair, you fix the provably fair, what did wixiplay do?

Attacked everyone who even suggested anything is wrong with their websites. I am sorry but with an attitude like this, there is no way anyone will continue playing at wixiplay as long as they see you as who you are, as a business owner you need to be more peaceful with your customers and act professionally, this is nowhere near professionalism, it is a childish behavior.

I just received a dump of my bets  I requested all of them and I received 1 months worth

 Its seriously F' up how wixiplay thinks they can treat other people, I am sorry but you are not made out of diamonds, this is just another website, there are hundreds like it, if you do not fix your act and treat people nicer or even if you do not fix the provably fair that people want to be fixed, you are going to have a bunch of investments to a website that has absolutely noone gambling in. Why would anyone that owns a huge casino just comes out and say "we didn't realized that was a problem, we will work on it and fix it asap" and move on? Its seriously simple, you don't have to act all bitchy about it, just go ahead and be nice and fix it and you will face no problems, NOW tho, you will have a lot of trouble for sure because of this

Tough to believe after what op proved. I can understand your frustration, but so many gamblers have lost faith in your casino now. The only way you can restore that faith is by establishing a new provably fair system and prove that it is legit.

No one has defended your site apart from you. You might have spent so much money, but you could have easily recovered it all back and more thanks to your broken system which is why there is no point in talking about your expenses at this point.

All players are free to play wherever they want. I didn't force anyone to play on WixiPlay. I didn't fool anyone. Maybe my attitude is not the right one, but I was tired of seeing comments from people who didn't know there exist WixiPlay until now.

First read all topics and then talk. I want to know concretely, who was fooled? You are just assuming, you are not saying anything concrete, and some of you are only going to make the posts for signature campaigns.

Those who applied for the bets history, received them. If I had something to hide I would not give them this information. If I just wanted to "steal" the coins from the players, I did not offer 0.06 BTC per day and 0.2 BTC weekly. If I wanted to "steal" from the players I would not give them withdrawals of tens of bitcoins. All players received their withdrawals.

This will be my last post on this topic, because I notice, here only misinformation from certain members. I will invest in WixiPlay until will be one of the largest gambling sites. Good luck everyone !

Edit:

I have already repeatedly said that the system will be changed.

After I have read this comment I am so happy that I never played there despite high positions in the latest rankings.

Now they will be changing the system because somebody found that this is all crap and I am sure that it was well known for the insiders from the beginning.

Talking about winners from the Bitcointalk forum (I only wonder how he knows this?) between frequent players but I don't see anybody defending them.


You should change your attitude and fist apologize all players who were played and lost money in your rigged casino.

Read the whole topic ! Stop commenting if you don't know which was my opinion. Does it bother you that WixiPlay has grown? Some of you are brainwashed.

Honestly, the problem is not out of hand. They haven't really made any changes to their website even after they got outed by OP here and rhavar checking it out, everyone can now see that they have been wrong and this place is a scam website and they haven't fixed it a single bit. They are actually attacking people who want the website to change their provably fair method but they are declining to do that and attacking whoever wants something like that.

I can guarantee everyone who gambles here, if you want to gamble here know that you will lose your money and you will be attacked for being scammed, there is no way this place is safe now and everyone should give them a bad negative for running a casino with a fake provably fair that steals money from their users.

The percentage to lose on new scam sites is one hundred times greater than the gratitude on old and proven sites.
If you have extra money to invest and take risks, then you can do it

That is like saying that there is no need for Firefox since Chrome is available or there is no need for Twitter since Facebook is available. Its all about competition basically. If there is no competition, the old sites will never improve themselves over time.

I join new gambling sites all the time in order to test them out through their bonuses etc and found so many which are far superior when compared to the old and more popular ones. This is why new sites will always be a necessity.

I support your opinion, why pour money into suspicious and new casinos if there are a bunch of old and proven ones?

So, does anyone have enough data to prove that they scam? Lately, I've seen they were advertised regularly on this forum. But there have been no full accusations to accuse and remove them from this forum, so, what will happen next? I think an allegation to remove is necessary, a phishing site should not continue to advertise on this forum, the longer it lasts, more people will be tricked.

I think someone knowledgeable enough to take this action, not just a discussion topic but an accusation

Once/if you receive this data, please do upload it to the community so that we get the chance to review it also.

So far, the critiques mentioned here in this thread really do paint a bad picture about Wixiplay.io—they are going to have their hands full explaining some of these.

As it stands, I can't see any group report thread in the scam accusation section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.80

With that said, I would recommend all those who have been potentially scammed by this platform to create a shared thread to make their case. This will help the community decide whether Wixiplay is a malicious platform that needs to be flagged.

Best of luck!

I have been playing at this site for a long time trying to win the wagering contests..
I have never once had a winning session. .. any time I try to just get a high wager by betting 1.01x  I'd be lucky to get times 10 my deposit in wager   .. I can understand did this happened once in a while  but to happen a hundred times is not possible and then to have a flawed probably fair system on top just confirms suspicions..  I have requested a complete dump of my playing history... I will do a complete thorough analysis   currently I'm down .1 btc when I should be up a ton from the overlay on the wagering contests. ..  and please remember j had won about .06 btc playing keno the first day it was released.
 And I was accused of being a hacker  as the administration stated it should be impossible to win 50x on keno...  and then keno was shut down and since it returned I have had the same luck as.i have always had on their dice  where I just watch my balance go straight down every time

Maybe the 2000% Bonus Deposit.
The flashy banner is irresistible to click. New Casinos promote so much that many users move onto them for the promotions and bonus.
Moving into a new dice site is not a great problem but like the OP, should be sure whether the bets are provably fair. The success of a gambling site largely depends on the user experience and support.

Why do people play on these new casinos that only offer the same games as elsewhere, e.g. Dice?

This is a genuine question... Wouldn't it be safest to just play at an established platform like Crypto-games, Primedice, Windice etc?

I could understand if it offered some unique games, but this particular case doesn't, so what's the deal?

I think it's good that the casino is reacting to the messages. Technically, from what I understood from the analysis, the system is flawed and can be used for selective scamming, because they know when the person is not going to check whether the bet was fair. However, this fact alone does not prove that they scammed anyone, right? And agreeing to change the system is a good step. The op's post is also something that should receive an official answer, though. If the probability is indeed so small, it seems also extremely unlikely that this is what happened here... I'll be following the case to see where it goes.

so you want me to lose, that's the reason i said it is rigged, and it is proven here

What is the name of the company that operates Wixiplay?

I don't think you should talk. You never lose on WixiPlay and never playing for firsts places so shut up. Those who played for the contest have the right to speak.

There are players who play strictly for the contests. Take the bonus, increase their balance and have more chances.

You have too much "care" for WixiPlay. I try to be peaceful.
BTW Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone !

i agree with you, there wager contest is totally rigged. you can't win there. they add their bot at the last min and take back all their contest money

What other site uses new server seed every roll + nonce + explicit request of server seed hash? Primedice (and Nitrogen Dice, Just-Dice, etc) all use the fixed server seed + nonce system. Some sites (such as Crypto-Games.net) have a different system, but none as flawed as yours.

Did you copy off of the 999dice scam method? 

I said it and I will say it again, we will change the system as soon as possible. I really sorry, but the current system is not created by me personally. Primedice is the only one that has a different system, most of them are different from Primedice. About the wager competitions, you are wrong, there are some members of bitcointalk who won and I would like if they can say. Do you think that all users who play on WixiPlay for 1 year are at a loss? Wrong, there are users who have won and users who have lost like on all casinos. If I was really just as you say, why a lot of users playing for months on my site? It is true, lately we have grown more, the site has been viewed more, more registered users, but should that be the problem? Maybe I grew more than others wanted.

there is and will be a problem , simply because they are , probably , knowingly defrauding the players
provably fair is just one way to rig it , have a look at their daily and weekly wagering contests
it is way too obvious to the trained eye , especially if you login and watch , allegedly , the house  bots wager like mad right before the contest end
you can argue that this cannot be proven , unlike the PF which is a confirmed not provably fair in its current state
if you remember , 999dice had (has) the same system where the site knew if you were checking every bet or not and dealt you some retarded , out of this world losing streaks

As long as these guys find a way to recover the current system and fix it to a level where it is fine and not risky, I doubt it would be a problem in the future. If anyone had any troubles with them in the past (after the fix) they could still claim scam accusation and they could still clam whatever but after it is fixed nobody could say anything about it. So, the good decision would be to fix it as soon as possible for the website, if not people are still playing at a risky place with shady provably fair until it is fixed.

I don't agree with the notion that every website has the same system, look at primedice which is over 6 years old, which means technology was there for the past 6 years to build provably fair that is actually provably fair and nobody complained about theirs.

They are also advertising on Bitcointalk.
Saw that it's probably manipulated and incetivized.

And surprisingly, they are at the top list of the best casinos of one of the rating sites.
Will post the site once I encounter it again.
Really don't believe with gambling rating sites, sometimes they are doing that to distribute their affiliate links.
Since they commit to change their system, are we going to see some changes then, we will see?

100%:scam I  wish I trusted my gut with this one

Nobody is using same system. Only those who want to steal coins from players 

Hello, until the end of the month I will change the system. My curiosity is why the other casinos are not here with the same accussation, although the same system we all use.

The domain was registered by GoDaddy in Romania.  I went ahead and contacted GoDaddy's abuse email

http://whois.domaintools.com/wixiplay.io
https://i.ibb.co/7pGjDGf/wixi-domain-reg.png

I played some more rounds, carefully verifying each round. I used https://wtools.io/php-sandbox with this php source code:


Most rounds verified, but occasionally it generated an abnormally long server seed whose hash didn't match, and I always lost those rounds.  So the site has multiple ways of cheating.

1. If you don't request the server seed hash in advance it can change the server seed to achieve whatever result it wants, undetectably
2. even if you do request the server seed hash in advance, it will still sometimes change the server seed to achieve whatever result it wants.

Definitely 100% scam.

who would take you seriously when you have to hide behind your new created throwaway alt account you created to express your opinion. grow some balls and express your opinion proudly on your main account.

Dont understand what are you talking about

Stake, Primedice and Cryptogambling Foundation = same s**t, same owner, same people
Keep and kiss his big booty dear members.
See the cases, luckygames, luckyfish usw. Who wants to close them by invoking different problems ? Be a little more thoughtful, do not stay locked in the cage being manipulated by those who believe the best.

It's really shocking to know that you think it's fair because you see it in the top rankings but the truth is it's rigged and not ptovably fair as we know it. It's good that op did share this information and if you haven't know it yet then you might also experience what op did and lose money from that site.

I think the better explanation is:

If you go through the verification process for each individual bet, then each bet is actually provably fair. But if you don't do that process for each individual bet, then it's impossible to verify the bet later. They also know which bets you are able to verify or not. So from their point of view, they know exactly which bets they need to behave with (0.00001% for nerds like me who verify) and which bets they have free-reign to undetectably cheat.

This doesn't prove they're actually cheating, just they have the opportunity to do so without anyone having proof. Which more or less defeats the purpose of having a provably fair system in the first place. If I was a betting man, I'd however bet they are abusing this to cheat. Basically because of the stats BitwiseOperator gave -- and they talk about their nonce system:


But it's 100.00% useless! It literally does nothing other than making it look like the industry-standard provably fair system (which requires a nonce) but it's not!  This to me also seems pretty suspicious.


Personally I'd strongly caution people against playing here...



I would hope that after this (regardless if they were honest or not) they immediately switch to the industry-standard provably fair system (AKA copy exactly what just-dice.com does).

From what I understand by what Rhavar is trying to explain (which I will turn into layman terms for people who are like me that have hard time understanding technical talk) the game "looks" like it is fair but they do have a secret way of knowing if you are gambling by checking the seed or not.

If you are a guy who doesn't check the seed that often they hide the previous seed so that you can't get it and that means you can be scammed out of your money, that is only if you don't care about the seed and not checking anything which they can see by you not changing the seed frequently or maybe even never.

So, it does "look" fair and that is true but if you let them away with it by not checking they could potentially become not provably fair given the opportunity. This doesn't mean they are stealing money from you, it just mean they have that option if they want to and you have to trust them not to do it which is not provably fair if you ask me.

its good that you just want to play here and stopped because of this thread but me already playing there joining the contest for 3 straight days
but at the end, i just lose all my balance there

This is really out of order and one more reason why have to be even more careful when playing 'provably fair' games that are not approved by Cryptogambling foundation.
If you want to learn more about randomness and provably fair https://cryptogambling.org/articles/ are very well written.

I agree.  this combination of factors is suspicious:
1. new server seed every round
2. the server seed hash is only transmitted to the client when you click for it.

Whenever you don't click to request the server seed hash, the server KNOWS it's not being watched and that it can get away with cheating, by changing the server seed to make you lose the roll.

Damn. I was planning on playing on this site after seeing in the top rankings of many casino ranking sites, but I will definitely avoid it now after learning about this bullshit. Thanks for the heads-up op. You deserve a lot of merit in my opinion.

The biggest issue with all these provably fair stuff is that many newbies don't understand them due to all the technical stuff involved which is why they ignore it and end up losing money to such shady sites.

Sounds like 999dice all over again.

Basically the simple-version is:

* wixiplay uses a unique server-seed per bet (and thus unique server-seed-hash per bet)

* To verify a bet, you need to record the sever-seed-hash *BEFORE* you bet (that way you know they didn't change the server seed in response to your bet)

* To get the the server-seed hash you have to go out of your way and specifically request it, for that bet

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So what this means, is wixiplay knows if you're able to verify the bet or not. If you're not able to verify the bet, it has free-reign to undetectably cheat!


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If BitwiseOperator played 523 coin-flips and only won 199, his maths is probably correct (I don't actually know off-hand to do that calculation, so I tried to simulate it. After 200 million simulations, it appears to only happen every 1 in ~5 million times, so it's definitely an (expected) real freak occurrence. )

Combined with the fact they're using a *totally pointless* nonce , makes me feel like they're trying to (maliciously?!) pass their system off their system as a traditional provably fair (which it's definitely not).

Quoting, to re-read later.

Just tried the site, and the half a dozen bets I made did checkout in the provably fair system. You can view the "server seed" by double-clicking on the bet-id of the previous bets you made.


But it looks like a really stupid system. There's no absolutely no reason they should be changing the server-seed each bet (makes it so difficult to be impractical to verify a bunch of bets). And the way the system is now, the nonce serves no purpose at all (other than also complicating verification). But it does appear to be give you enough to verify your bets, if you go through an impractical ceremony.

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But then it hit me!


They can actually check if you're going through the impractical ceremony on not! I verified this by checking the network requests, and AFAICT the only way to view the server-seed hash is via a network request to "/ajax/modal" with "modal=fairness".

So this means they can actually if you're verifying the bets or not. So they could trivially cheat only when they know you won't be able to tell (when you never requested the server-seed hash).

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So I'm going to agree with the OP on this one: the site doesn't meet standards expected of a provably fair site.

When I click "generate new server seed" it does NOT show the old server seed.  Also, the server seed hash changes between every round, so there's no reason for it to not automatically show last round's server seed.

Generate new server seed and you will get old server seed

I just played 523 coin flips (49.5% chance of success with a 1% house edge).  Only won 199 of them.  The probability of winning 199 or fewer out of 523 is 8.9696e-8, or about one in ten million.

Their provably fair system doesn't work because they only show the server seed hash, but they never reveal the server seed of past rounds, so there is no way to do the calculation to verify that those rounds were fair.

They say the algorithm is:


But this is all they show you in the fairness dialog.
https://i.ibb.co/1KDN8s5/wixi-fairness.png

It never shows the server seed for the previous round, so you can't check the fairness.  This is a fake PF system.

I recommend avoiding the site until they fix their PF.