Topic: Woman set on fire in NYC Subway, people did nothing about it (Read 338 times)

To be fair, it has been reported that the woman did not show any sign of movement or struggle while being put ablaze by the suspect, so there is indeed a reasonable possibility those who witnessed the crime to believe all of it was some kind of sick stunt being played out for whatever reason they did not fully understand at first.
When one first thing about murder, one does not believe someone is going to set other people on fire in the subways system of a city like New York, so misbelief could have played and important factor on the lack of action of those bystanders. Still it is sickening how nobody stepped into help, not even mentioning the suspect managed to scape the scene of the crime easily.

It is just surreal and sad.

could it be possible they thought it wasn’t a real person or at least an alive one?

i refuse to believe that people have become so selfish that they will watch a woman erupt in flames literally it feels like a witch hunt almost and they all watch as the witch gets flamed i hope whoever did this can be taken to jail and serve time and people in it might be penalized too or traumatized for watching that unfold

Yes this is what separates the wheat from the chaff. When a person is in distress and needs help it is your duty as a human being to assist in whatever way you can.






BADecker pays homage to murderers and religion that promotes violence. Jesus would not be happy with BADecker 

There have been some situations where people who try to help are arrested by the police and incarcerated until after investigations. That's why most people don't want to get invoked in such situations. They don't want to become victims of a crime they didn't commit. Some of them had to pay for bail or even hire lawyers to get themselves out of these problems.

There was a particular issue when two good Samaritans helped some accident victims. Instead of receiving praise for their selflessness, the police accused them of stealing from the accident victims. They had to pay for the items they never saw. Anyway, these challenges shouldn't stop us from assisting when we have the privilege.

There can be a number of reasons why no one interfered in this situation and tried to help the women. First, she was on fire so people were afraid that they do not get themselves in the same situation. The second reason maybe that people were afraid that if they tried to help the lady, the investigation agencies might ask questions from them and put them on suspect too.  

The above are all excuses and the real reason is that people have become selfish these days and they rarely care for others. We are living in a materialized world where the humanity element is decreasing every day.

I don't know the details surrounding this case. And I certainly don't condone something like this. But in a similar case that was based on religion, freedom of religion is one of the highest acknowledged freedoms in all of America.

- If this were a religious execution ordered by the whole community of this religion - Islam has some religious execution ideals like this - it doesn't matter how the guy felt about it. If he was the appointed executioner by his religious laws, for him to NOT do it, he would be condemning himself, and he might be next in line for not doing his duty. And he might be executed even if he changed religions to get away from religious persecution.

- In a religion case like this, the guy might have set himself up for punishment. Why? Because the people who made freedom of religion one of the basic freedoms in the country, never thought they would ever see a religion like Islam in the land. In other words, Americans who want freedom of religion, would condemn an act like this in court, thereby showing their hypocrisy.

- The joker could be proclaimed a hero for what he did. It might cost him his freedom, but if he acted according to his religion, he did what was right, religiously speaking.

The guy in this literal case might truly have been acting on his own. If so, he should definitely be punished. But remember, he used his shirt to fan the flames to get it over faster, so that she didn't have to suffer as long. This points to the idea that it was a religious execution. Feel sorry for the people of this kind of religion, but then honor them for upholding their religious laws faithfully.

I am imagining what it is that the guy was thinking before he lightened up the lady and set her ablaze. Even if he was going through a lot of worries in his head, he does not have the right to set another person ablaze for a sin they did not commit. Let's even assume the lady has wronged him previously, it is not a guarantee for him to take laws into his hands by commiting a murder. Beyond that, I see the guy as someone who's battling with emotional issues and decided to punish others for his worries. Regardless, the court must take this case seriously and make him a scapegoat now that the NYPD have taken the case up by arresting him because I have the believe that he would have committed more atrocious deeds if he wasn't curtailed and arrested by the police.

I am not even know what kind of security measures we would be talking about, to be honest. At this point I am not even sure you want to have a sincere debate on the implications of this happening in the context it happened.
To me incidents like these ones would be a reflection on how important mental healthcare and access to it it is vital in a society like that which thrives in the United States where individualism is the norm and people won't take care of one another.
In this case it was an undocumented immigrant from central America, but it could have happened the same with both the victim and the suspect being American citizens.
All the disturbing things happening in your country should be taken as a wake up call for your government to start to locate more funds in public mental healthcare institutions and counseling programs, so people do not feel like either killing themselves or killing others, it is that simple.

Anybody who thought it was a publicity stunt, should be suing the city for not having security there to protect them and the woman. Of course, more security means less freedom.

With all the crazy things going on today both in the middle east and in Ukraine, where literal children are mistreated and massacred It is quite hard to me to assume there is people out there gullible enough to ignore the existence of evil.
On the other hand, it could be we all are so desensitized by those acts of evil and slaughter we do not even care anymore to stop someone from doing evil right in from of us, like that man did and killed that innocent woman.
One of the most disturbing things as well about this case is the timing, right in Christmas season... when people is supposed to be less worried about evil and being murdered for not reason, when when these news appear in the frontpage to astonish us...

With a handle like yours, everybody knows who likes to set things on fire.

BADecker is a classic gaslighter which shows the true nature of someone who is a clinical psychopath 

I saw this video few days ago and it was shocking. What was strange for me that women wasn't doing anything, just standing, despite being on fire. So, I guess she was affected by some drugsand probably didn't even realised what's happening.

I was also shocked when I saw that nobody didn't tried to help her. That's best example showing that something is completely wrong with our society. With all internet stuff like TikTok, followers, views, likes and etc some people turned into attention whores who are ready to do everything to get attention. But with all these things it looks that people are just loosing their brain cells and it's scary to see in what direction our society is going.
Sometimes I think that I wouldn't know what to do in  stressful emergency situation. But  no way that I would just take my phone out of pocket to take some video.

I miss the good old days when people truly cared and weren’t so selfish. Regardless of the offence the woman may have committed, no one in their right mind would be so indifferent as to watch without raising alarm or doing anything at all. Not even a child would remain calm in such a situation. People's obsession with social media is gradually eroding the human sympathy we once shared. Now, people are willing to profit from the ugliest situations, even if it involves matters of life and death.

It is my greatest desire that a universal law be enacted to prohibit individuals (excluding professionals) from recording victims when they should be offering solutions or providing help instead

Nobody believes that anyone would set another person on fire. It was all a publicity stunt to the onlookers... until the woman was a crispy critter. But by then it was too late for them to do anything. Don't be too harsh on them.

The most worrying thing about this story is not even the motive for the murder because the guy was later apprehended and he'll face the full weight of the law. The horror is bystanders not doing anything to help the victim, I really don't understand what is wrong with people in this generation. In life and death situations people will rather bring out their mobile phones to record instead of helping. People are so obsessed with capturing horrible moments instead of giving helping hands to fellow human beings.

Everybody wants to be the first to share bad news on social media so that their report will trend. Before the advent of the internet people used to be quick to give helping hands, everybody will rush to rescue people that are in need but this days they will impulsively go for their phones to record instead of helping. I believe that this uncaring act is one of the few demerits of social media, people are desperate to share and get updates especially if it's bad news.

it is still happening in different part of the world but for the most part, it is an act of jungle justice that can warrant passerby to watch someone being burnt to ashes while the person commiting the act is on standby and he is not being stopped. if the person in question is a thief or part of a gang that are known to terrorize an area who got caught in the act, their is little or nothing that passers by and the security can do about it since it will involve a mob action but anything out of that kind of scenario and people sit back and do nothing, they deserve to be arrested.

the society is becoming too cruel and the rate at which peoples heart have becomes really hardened is on a totally strange level. social media has even gone to worsen the whole thuing becasue when a crime or even an asault is taking place, peopole will prefer to video the act rather than putting it to a stop.

Yep. It's sad that it had to happen. Probably a family religion thing. He was the selected one to do it, by his religious status, or family status.

Well, she is gone. Nothing to do about her, now. So, focus on mercy for him. Remember due process of law. Remember that he, "fanned the flames on her with hi(s) own shirt to ensure she was completely engulfed in fire." He had to get the job done. And to save her from suffering any more than necessary, he fanned the flames.

This whole incident probably is making him rethink his religion. Be merciful, and help him and his family find the right religion. Unmerciful people are just as bad as having the wrong religion or no religion.

So we have an abominable murderer who commits a horrific murder and you put the focus on the people around him?

You remind me of this thread:

Disgust with people of greed ignoring their duties

Quite disgusting of you to even suggest this was nothing but a cold blooded murder by someone who was supposed to be locked up a long time ago. Even if the woman was aware of what was going on and she wanted to die, it would imply the man was carrying out assisted suicide, which is illegal in many jurisdictions on the planet, probably in the most of the states if the USA as well.
Sarcastically doing playing this case in the way you do just proves you either lack of empathy for the victim or you take some sadistic pleasure on seeing and illegal alien committing a horrible crime in drowsy daylight, in order to further push whatever narrative you have in mind and gets repeated non-stop in channels like Fox and Newsmax.
I am sure with this unfortunate incident they will milk at least a week of content in their broadcast about how immigrants are a threat for the security of the country and compare cities like NY to third world countries.

See? There's another one of your problems. Freedom of religion is possibly the strongest of the freedoms, and is in the 1st Amendment.

The guy and the woman were simply of a different religion than most of us. And he was carrying out religious punishment on the woman... punishment that she was aware of in her religion, and deserved for doing wrong.

All you would be doing is breaking the 1st Amendment by disallowing them their freedom of religion. You should be punished under the law for trying to steal someone's freedom. You even admit that you were trying to do this.

Whatever I could do to help the person with the flames on their back as they would be the immeadiate priorirty but at least I wouldn't stand around doing NOTHING. Taking them to the ground from the bottom beneath the flames and dragging them out of the carriage might have helped while protecting their face and hair from going up or literally tearing the clothing off them if possible while using whatever means available to smother any flames left. Literally whatever was humanely possible and as quickly as possible. If there were already people actually getting the job done on her and I was aware of that guy being the perp (which in the confusion may not have been possible) I would have asked another commuter to assist in restraining him until the police were there to make an arrest or try to knock the fucker out with whatever I had from a piece of furniture in the subway or a beer bottle or something out of a thrash can. I don't know exactly but I 100% would have done whatever I could. And what would YOU have done exactly?

Pure cliche that could happen anywhere.
I wonder what you'd do when confronted with that atrocity?

Social media/content creation has made the world go mad. Instead of helping the victim people decided to make videos from the incident. Maybe they will upload it on some social media platforms and make money from it. In my area it is common to see accident victims being filmed and posted on the internet meanwhile what they needed was first aid and assistance to take them to hospitals.

Nobody knows they reason why this man set this woman on fire. Investigation showed that there was no interaction between both of them before he ignited the fire. I think the suspect might be going through some mental problems. I am also surprised that the victim couldn't sense that somebody has set her on fire until the fire become uncontrolled. We have to wait until investigation is concluded for us to know what really went wrong.

If this happened in London ,Dublin or Glasgow there would be people jumping up and down on that murderers head until it was like a squashed melon if there was no cop available to do the job and others would be rolling the victim on the ground and putting the flames out but in yankee land that has polluted the whole of western society with its mental ilness it has lazy ass policemen probably hired because they had the correct pronoun and eat the right colour donut and braindead citizens who thought it was a good opportunity to get some views on their tik tok channel or maybe thought it might be racist to stomp on the demons head or worried the lady victim might sue them for harrassment etc. They probably all had bottles of water with them and were drinking it while she burned alive too. They are as evil as the murderer and all should face prison for being worthless pieces of shit.

Now I know why the US NEEDS a wall urgently built to protect Canadians (who are also contaminated from the mental illness) but mexicians might be safe once the wall is fully built.

It kind of reminds me the old saying about how all it is needed for bad people to get away with anything if good people who do nothing and get in their way. I believe it applies in this scenario.
It is not only the huge sense of invidualism which exist within the United States and specially in such a big city like New York, when each one of the residents seem to have adopted the idea they are on their own and not supposed to trust anyone at all, contributing to them just staying around and documenting and disgusting crime with their phones as if they were androids with no feelings or sense of empathy on what is going on, same for the police officers who were there and could not have the decency to apprehend the suspect at the spot for killing and innocent woman for whatever reason.
It only show who sick the west is getting and how likely it will continue to get worse with the divisive rethoric Donald Trump will push forward in the coming years.

It is bad that we watch things go wrong without any action to prevent it. Touching part, there were persons who could intervene but they prefer to record and spread it online. We should focus more on saving lives than on filming.

Crazy things are indeed happening.
Sorry I didn't get to take a look at the source link for some reason that are personal, but if there's one thing I know, It's the fact that shits like this don't just happen, except the murderer in question is a fucking psychopath or a serial killer, otherwise I believe something must've triggered the incident and also caused all the  witnesses present to disassociate themselves, so if the source didn't state the reason why the woman was set ablaze and no one intervened,  then the story no really clear.

The love for the woman isn't strong enough to move them to act otherwise even the most introverted and cautious person will ignore all consequences and rush to save the woman and probably apprehend the man, and then later wonder how he/she was able to achieve the feat. That is what the force of love can do to people "subconsciously", unfortunately it's diminishing really quick in this world, especially amongst city dwellers who depend too much on governments for almost everything and programmed by the media to hate or be suspicious of neighbors. They will be expecting the police to intervene, scared of what will happen if they personally intervene,etc. These worries and expectations are stronger than the love for the woman

Maybe she was just trying to stay warm in the cold, and it got out of hand.

Last night I was taking a look at the most important news from the United States now the presidential campaign is pretty much over and I felt curious about how a woman die within one of the Subway wagons of New York City. When I first took a look at the story I thought I was rather a very unfortunate accident. Imagine my face when I further read and watched videos about it I realized it was the act of a man, who set the woman ablaze on purpose and fanned the flames on her with hi own shirt to ensure she was completely engulfed in fire.
All this scene happened while people around limited themselves to record with their phones and local police actually allowed the man to flee the scene (he was later apprehended in a different location after a seemingly short manhunt).

To add salt to injury, the alleged murder is an illegal alien from central america, which had been deported already few years ago.

What do you think about all this messy situation?
It is very scary, investigators have not even been able to verify whether the woman as sleep when initially engulfed in flames or under the effect of some drug. One cannot believe something like this could happen in one of the biggest cities of the civilized world.

Something out of an horror movie

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Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clygk48nxgzo