Topic: Wondering why Trolling is still against the forum rules . (Read 1830 times)

At least you tried.I'll give you one for that.

Dude,you're utilizing this forum without paying a penny for it.The least you can do is follow their rules..


Congratulations.You will be missing out on a lot of fun mate.


Hire yourself a lawyer ,file a lawsuit.Heard Pakistani Laws are quite strict when it comes to Forum posting right ?

As said earlier,the door is open,for you to leave.

Thanks, been alive, just busy. You were one of those often accused never banned due to witty and constructive insults that I almost mentioned, but since you weren't involved in the conversation, figured I wouldn't call names.


I'm assuming you are being facetious, but in case you aren't, there are indeed rules here. If you check out the unofficial rules thread stickied here in Meta, you will see Bitcointalk's rules (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657). The only reason they are considered unofficial rules even though they have been thoroughly discussed by the staff members in the thread, as well as lots of community members, is because ultimately, as long as moderators act in good faith and don't deliberately violate any rules that make sense in the situation, they have discretion.

An example of what actually happened here where moderators took action even though it would have been unacceptable by the official rules. Someone under the age of 18 was attempting to sell illicit photos/videos of themselves from a country that allowed it. By the marketplace rules, you are allowed to buy/sell whatever you want, as long as its legal in your jurisdiction. Had that rule been steadfast, removing the thread wouldn't have happened, and it would have been OK as long as buyers from countries that didn't allow it didn't take part. That's an example of why "there aren't any rules to begin with." Moderators are welcome to be as rude and unprofessional as they like, however Theymos has a vested interest in not having those sort of people be moderators for long.


I'm sure it happens, and you are exactly right. Keep in mind the population of Bitcointalk tends to skew anarcho-libertarianism. Most people here aren't 100% thrilled with the concept of moderators or limiting of their right to unlimited free speech (aka Spam/unnecessary disruptive behavior/etc) sometimes dealing with individuals, even kindly and with logic doesn't work. Sometimes you just have to give up and deal with the demanding pms asking why their thread on Bitcoin's doom due to secret lizardman affiliation was moved from the marketplace section to off topic. After an attempt or two, I personally would probably harass the person a little bit, rather than blowing up and calling them a moron. Each moderator deals with things differently.

Business owners? Customers ? What are you high on mate ?If you are going to use real life implications,please make it sensible.No,I don't mean to give you "Constructive Criticism" ,I gave you a solution.Being Straight Forward is not being unprofessional.From your post,you did not constructively contributed to the topic either,instead you were whining how unprofessional and careless mods are when it comes to the forum polices.
 
You're taking it personally here.Being upset with you or anyone is the last thing I'd see myself doing in this forum.

There you go,you suggested a solution for me indeed,just like I did to you by saying "You could leave if you have problems with this forum" make sense now ?

People posted their opinions before you did.I agree with most of them ,answers by SaltySpitton/Lauda/Hilarious/Mex/SebastinJu were convincing and I did agree with them and had nothing to argue about since it was all making sense to me.There is no need to judge me on the basis of this post,my reputation is not build up from it.But that's upto you.As far as your "personal drama" is concerned,I don't have any issues with you or anyone for that matter.You can check my previous posts I pretty much deal with everybody quite Straight Forward,if that's unprofessional for someone people ,let it be.

The "If you have a problem, why don't you leave/our way or the highway" excuse is what people like to use when they don't want to be given constructive criticism on how they should run their businesses. It's understandable, but quite unprofessional as business owners should care what customers think in regards to their services/products.

I also find it rather ironic that you'd use that excuse against me, when it is clear you have a problem with my posts. With that in mind, perhaps taking your own advice is crucial to not being so upset with me.

"If you don't like my posts, why don't you block me?"



Judging by your attitude from this post, it is clear you will not really listen to what I have to say. Therefore, having any type of discussion with you is pointless as you will continue thinking the way you do. When you get your own business, my advice is to listen to your clients/customers and take the time to hear what they have to say, and ask why they feel the way they do, or what you can do to make their experience with your business better. If you don't listen to them, in as little as 6 months or 3 years, they will gradually begin to believe you don't really need their support, whether it be financially or verbally.


I'll be stirring clear of you. I just don't want to argue. I'm sorry for any type of inconvenience that may cause.

Assuming you're not posting for Signature sakes (like most of your posts ),I'm replying.

Okay,so you mean all those stickies are a joke ? People get banned for silly reasons ?


Where ? If it does't have a proof,it never happened. Mods don't Kiss and tell.They're not paid to answer your newbie queries .Stickes are.


If you have so much problems with the forum,why don't you leave ? Internet is big,100's of other forum's out there where your problems will be dealt professionally.Its simple,if you are not okay with something,change it or move on.(In this case second options seems feasible)

How ? Please explain ? You don't have be a moderator to make a positive difference .Tell me till date what positive difference have you brought to the community instead of whining about the forum polices ?

It's evident I am not posting to post. I am being honest with my own experience. I "called them out" as a group, yes. However, I will not be specific. It's not my place to do so. As I have suggested, do your own research and make your own analysis if you feel the need.

Actually you did call them out as a group.
Reason I stated you should make reference if you want to slag on them. Do not know a mod here with a thin skin, so have at it.
Or where you just posting to post?

Just look around. I don't really like to put people on the spot, regardless of their profession.

If you are going to accuse mods of trolling you should post evidence of that. Do not think it is a easy job dealing with so many quirky personalities, myself included.

Trolling isn't against the forum rules. In fact, there aren't any rules to begin with. I've seen the moderators be quite rude to people continuously, and also be extremely bi-polar, confusing, and careless. I've never seen such unprofessional behavior, but we have to keep in mind that this is the internet, and behavior like this flies pretty well. If I was a moderator here, I would be getting paid to actually make a positive difference here. (That is, if moderators actually get paid).

So point out the origin of this for me and for anyone else, were you ever aware of me tarnishing poor TECSHARE's reputation on a date before he left me that cunty feedback?  You wanted to have a discussion I didn't want to have, because you're a fucking troll and I don't argue with trolls.  Been there, done that.  You're not a victim of anything, so stop acting like one.

Often been accused of being a troll.


Never banned  


~BCX~



Added: Welcome back Saltyspitoon, good to see you're still alive!

Aand that is pretty much the answer to the(this) thread.

P.S: Forgot to say, welcome back

There are some exceptions, but the reason global moderators can perma ban and not temp ban, is a permissions issue that can't be resolved due to SMF. I don't remember all of the issues specifically, but changing it is not something Theymos has done for more than a handful of people. I don't remember if its just incredibly time consuming, tedious, or if it causes issues with the forum itself.


Sometimes the lines are hard to read. I'd say that moderation of comments is done airing on the side of caution. If a post is borderline, to the point where I can't make a decision, I'll either give the poster the benefit of the doubt and leave it, or allow another moderator a shot at it. Which board a post is made also has an effect on the decision. Some discussions hold more weight than others. If a post is borderline, and driving an important matter off topic, it is more likely to be removed. Think of a post made in Technical Support vs Economics. The environment is different, and I'd wager a guess that the exact same borderline post may survive in Economics, but not Tech support.

I am quite aware of that, but grue , a global mod seems to have temp-ban power(from what I understand, it might also be that he's actually relying on theymos though). Thought you were one of the select few global mods with that power too

Tell me about it, I've had a few of my posts deleted because they were short and witty(possibly insulting too  ). But yeah as I mentioned in my earlier post, trolling without going off-topic(multiple times) and a few insults here and there seems to be acceptedtolerated

One mans trolling is another mans way of poking holes in a logic that is off. You ban trolling you control expression,which turns to censorship.
Its a hard line to figure where it ends in most cases.

Trolling is against the rules because it's annoying for the rest of us to read. The odd diss is ok but where do you draw the line? I guess there has to be some rules.

I enjoy harassing people a bit myself, so I don't often involve myself in "trolling" cases, unless its completely obvious and nonconstructive. If it made me laugh, I probably wouldn't ban the person even if they deserved to be, which is why I tend to stay out of the issue. That and Global Moderators cannot issue temporary bans, and its not often that someone is trolling to an extent the warrants a permanent ban. So overall I would say my personal tolerance for "trolls" is higher than others.

I don't intend to discuss individuals, but some of the people you may have noticed that aren't banned but are considered trolls often use insults and satire to make posts that seem off topic, but are witty and on topic. This isn't NoFunAllowedBTCTalk.org so obviously there is some leeway. There are some that are stricter than me, but no one is going to start throwing around bans for a joke or two.


There is a fine line between abuse, and angry people speaking to each other. If you were to censor someone's post with asterisks for every offensive word they use, and the post becomes 100% unreadable, that is moderated. If someone wants to call you some names and has a point that you can respond to, that isn't moderated. We aren't here to protect your feelings from getting hurt. If you don't understand that people on the internet say mean things sometimes, well....

Moderators aren't baby sitters to make sure you get along. We are like librarians, making sure posts go to where they should be, and tell you to shut up if you are wrongfully disturbing others. 

What more could they do with their lives?   Cyberbullies, Cyber-Stalkers, Insulters, "passive-aggressive fueling their anger", trying to get others banned, passing out neg reps (-) to get their jollies off...
 
To them this is an episode of "South Park".....

btckol was already banned and I just took care of idyu. If that's another alt of Kralle he's already had several accounts banned for trolling/being a nuisance after scamming. If people are purposely just trying to agitate people by swearing and going off topic etc then they're going to get banned.

In most cases abuse is not planned,it happens in a fist of anger while troll is done on purpose,sometimes to settle scores.This is not to say that abuse should be allowed and troll not.Both should be dealt strictly

Some staff members do not prefer to use nuke as others, ergo the user that you're speaking of was banned.

There are some very complicated users that create complex situations. If you feel like he should be banned, you can always contact a global moderator.

Technically that is correct. If you do make a constructive post and part of it is used for trolling, usually nothing happens.

Lets be clear about this. I don't act like a cunt with people just for disagreeing with me, however if you act like a cunt I will treat you as such. I tried to have a civil discussion with you, but you repeatedly made it personal. I tried to PM you so we could work out our differences like adults but you were not interested and blocked me.

Since I was not interested in shitting up one of the threads we were having a discussion in, I left a NEUTRAL rating on your trust page so other people have a record of your cunty behavior as a way of defending my own reputation since you are so fond of personally attacking me. You are just here to jerk yourself off, I am here to trade, you attack me personally and threaten my ability to trade, that is not acceptable for me. If I bothered to do this with everyone who disagreed with me I would never have time to eat or sleep. The moral of the story, don't act like a cunt and you won't get treated like one.

Like Spoetnik?  I mean, trolling is trolling, right?  He's obviously trolling but never seems to get banned.  And then you get fine, upstanding citizens like TECSHARE who acts like a cunt when someone disagrees with him, even going so far as to troll on trust pages (hint:  see my trust page).  Nothing seems to get done.  And yet there is SebastianJu getting banned for consecuposting.  This forum, as much as I like it, is like the schoolyard playground.  Ugh.

Trolling is defined wider for some than others,I consider the XT shill and the current block size fud as trolling because it does not stay in one thread usually and spreads out like mushrooms to pop up all over the forum. Thats the trolling that bothers me the most,when people are misleading for economic gain. The mental trolling I can laugh at after I picked my self off the ground for falling for it.

Belittling and swearing just tells me the person is using curse words to mask their posts or is not intelligent enough to have a grasp on anger issues or politeness. The first tactic is used mostly by alt accounts here.

Trolling is some kind of making fun of others or harassing the victim.

I think nobody gets banned by trolling slightly.
Excessive trolling is what needs no toleration.  Maybe mods should change the wordings slightly.

The first guy should definitely be nuked, I'm surprised why he hasn't been yet. Well trolling is one reason(one instance is quite tolerable in fact) but according to the tag from cyrus, he has been sending unsolicited phishing links via PM(which AFAIK warrants at least a temp ban for high-ranked members)

The second one is a bit iffy, if he continually does/did it might be temp-ban worthy but considering there aren't much mods with temp-ban powers, it might slip through. But who knows, with SaltySpitoon being somewhat active these days, we might get a replacement for the strict bans warranted by BB.

It isn't against the rules to throw humor into a constructive post. Its against the rules to go completely off topic and derail a thread with non constructive information. There are some notorious "trolls" who are top quality posters. They use humor to better get their points across and bring interest to threads. The people that are bad at it are the ones that aren't allowed.

It can; trolling is just a waste of time, especially on a forum like this. How could you expect to have a decent discussion with someone if trolls kept attacking you from every angle?

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As far as the person quoted is concerned: Even though technically you are allowed to use offensive language and whatnot, cases in which the user is only being abusive and does not add anything to the discussion will be dealt with. This goes against the first two rules as listed in this section.

The thing with trolling is that the posts are useless and often offtopic. So people will get notifications for posts that have no value, wasting their time.

Might be trolling is not an issue in meta subforum but I can see why users report trolls.

Next thing is that there is an immense amount of threads opened daily only trying to spread fud to move the bitcoin price in one direction or the other.

You have an ignore function, use it.

These abusive posts would be deleted too, if they were reported, is my opinion.
Have you tried reporting them?

I get it, as mature adults we are suppose to deal with users professionally.But is little bit of humor too bad for the forum ? I mean there are people abusing the heck out each other in the posts or using racial slurs to bring down their oppositions.Even respected members throw dirt at each holding grudges and many such posts exists .There are other bunch of butthurt spammers who freely use abusive words or say abuse the entire system ,for example this