Would ETF APPROVAL in early 2019 ever have positive influence in Bitcoin Price?

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Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

Some group of people has argued we will experience another high surge in Bitcoin Price early 2019 when ETF get approved while some said ETF does not have any crucial role in influencing Bitcoin Price positively. From the little experience i have acquired since i started trading on Cryptocurrencies , i have got to realize price Predictions has never been any effective .The underlying theory of Bitcoin price determinants still remain a mystery unlike in traditional market unless someone got a Crystal ball. lols. Some experts has made lots of wrong prediction in the past.

How many times this ETF has been denied?but still people looking at this politely?

Do you think bitcoin won’t progress if this ETF don’t succeed?Lol seems like a joke huh?

For how many rejection of this attempt bitcoin goes high still for all of us,and until now we have been progressing so lets be considerate and stop expecting that to become reality

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Quote from: KassandrHicks on October 06, 2018, 11:07:57 AM

Bitcoin price would not entirely be dependent on ETF approval. It might have some influence. Even if ETF gets approval, it might not be a big difference.

Agree with this. The Bitcoin price is going up or down due to some factors but those factors are not constant, there are times that a certain news made the price to drop but that same news will not affect the price in some other time. What i mean is, those factors affects the pricing in some different impacts. Now, it would affect the price more but later if these factors came again, the impact would not that great.

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All I know is that I know nothing.

by 2019 price should already be on the rise. possibly a slow rise back up towards $10k and then the rallies will begin probably in mid 2019. so with ETF news not that much is going to change in my opinion because the trend will be shaped up by then. and any effect that might have will be temporary.

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First, we have to wait for the decision of ETF and then everything will become clear, but if the decision of the ETF will be approval , I think it will inevitably have some sort of impact on prices. It will be hard to say what it will be, but it really will have to be.

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Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

Some group of people has argued we will experience another high surge in Bitcoin Price early 2019 when ETF get approved while some said ETF does not have any crucial role in influencing Bitcoin Price positively. From the little experience i have acquired since i started trading on Cryptocurrencies , i have got to realize price Predictions has never been any effective .The underlying theory of Bitcoin price determinants still remain a mystery unlike in traditional market unless someone got a Crystal ball. lols. Some experts has made lots of wrong prediction in the past.

It would definitely have a great positive influence in bitcoin price but the question is why are we acting like all these ETF applied would make any difference on the result. SEC has been declining it for a while now and I don't know why they would accept it now.

ANY etf that gets accepted will have a positive influence in bitcoin price, not just early 2019, it can be 2022 when it gets accepted and it would still make a great price increase however I am not so sure it will be accepted anytime soon. I think we need at least another couple years for it to get accepted. Early 2019 is just too close and doubt it would make a huge difference since just a week ago.

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Well, we are waiting for a while now for ETF approval and there are many who expect a lot from it. Some think this is the only obstacle left for Bitcoin to fly again to 20000$ again.
But I'm not so much convinced in that theory.
If ETF approval happens it might influence on Bitcoin price in positive way, so some pump could be expected. Still it will not probably last a long, so I expect more temporary effect.

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if by "positive influence" you mean a rise because of FOMO buys then yes. obviously something that was so hyped up at some point in the past can still get hyped up again in case it is approved and that can lead to a rise. but I wouldn't really consider it as a "positive influence" since such rises are never good and they are always unstable rises.
what we need is another year of solid rises like from 2015 until near the end of 2017.

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Quote from: liseff3 on October 06, 2018, 04:27:39 AM

I think the Bitcoin ETF and Bitcoin Future are no different, both of them are the vehicles of the popes to deceive/manipulate bitcoin prices as happened in the middle of December 2017.

There is actually a significant difference in use case and potential impact on the market.

The futures as we know them right now are nothing more than empty products meant to provide legal exposure to those willing to bet on an increase or decrease at the end of the contract date. It's all cash settled and there is no way these products contribute to Bitcoin in any shape or form. On top of that, you can basically short an unlimited amount of Bitcoins as long as you have enough cash.

ETF's that are backed by actual coins provide legal exposure that is generally more focused on the long term, and with that we can expect coins to remain out of circulation for as long as these shares aren't liquidated back to fiat. The more demand there is for coin back ETF's, the more custodial entities need to stock up on Bitcoin to keep up with the demand. There can't be more ETF shares than there are Bitcoins in circulation.

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Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

Some group of people has argued we will experience another high surge in Bitcoin Price early 2019 when ETF get approved while some said ETF does not have any crucial role in influencing Bitcoin Price positively. From the little experience i have acquired since i started trading on Cryptocurrencies , i have got to realize price Predictions has never been any effective .The underlying theory of Bitcoin price determinants still remain a mystery unlike in traditional market unless someone got a Crystal ball. lols. Some experts has made lots of wrong prediction in the past.

Bitcoin ETF approval is very complex, because it requires SEC to maintain a balance between providing investors with unique, strange, odd opportunities and ensuring that financial products must be safe. As always the negative consequences of regulatory decisions can only be evaluated after the event (this thing reminds me about CBOE and Bitcoin Future), this means explaining that the US SEC must be extra 'careful' in evaluating every ETF application.

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Bitcoin price would not entirely be dependent on ETF approval. It might have some influence. Even if ETF gets approval, it might not be a big difference.

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The value of bitcoin still can't be measured with any pattern or algorithm. It just changes on its own. So the only influence would be for the investors who would believe in it and exchange or use as such.

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It is still too soon to tell as the market is always changing, for now we have to wait and see what'll happen before anything can be said on the matter.

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I think the Bitcoin ETF and Bitcoin Future are no different, both of them are the vehicles of the popes to deceive/manipulate bitcoin prices as happened in the middle of December 2017.

Quote from: bob123 on October 04, 2018, 03:59:12 AM

I can very well imagine that an approved ETF would arouse some peoples curiosity, which then could lead to a rising interest again.

But that only applies temporarily and then most of the bitcoin users will probably be overshadowed by the dark growth of bitcoin as it's now happening, bitcoin's difficult to rise.

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There is no garruanty that the ETF will be aproved in the early 2019. Even if it does, there is no possiblity that it will influence the market to have a rise. The market is highly volatile. So, it will be hard to predict if the ETF will have any effect on the market or not.

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There's no assurance that bitcoin ETF's will be approved in early 2019.If that ETF will be approved, it might affect the price of bitcoin positively.

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OP, perception is everything. When, not if, the ETF is approved, it will cause investors, both individual and institutional, to perceive that "this is it, we have to buy now". Everyone will be wanting to be the first to go in that door to get the goodies.

But of course we already know that the WHALE-CUMULATORS already got in there first. Hahahha.

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the problem about an ETF is that bitcoin will be much closer to be a financial instruments and not a coin.

And i would like to reminds you that, an etf can also short the btc price, so, we have to be carefull about that.

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Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

Some group of people has argued we will experience another high surge in Bitcoin Price early 2019 when ETF get approved while some said ETF does not have any crucial role in influencing Bitcoin Price positively.

Bitcoin ETF approval would greatly increase adoption and would draw in investors of different scale.
But I doubt it would have any significant effect on the price, especially in the long-term scheme. Sustained price stability and consolidation of bitcoins value is one of the goals of the asset, and ETF wouldn't accelerate that.

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the price of bitcoin will always be a mystery, but what's wrong is we speculate about what we analyze. If in 2019 the ETF approves BTC then surely this will play an important role in pumping bitcoin, because this news will increase public confidence in bitcoin. Of course things like this are fundamental analysis which is one analysis in determining prices and speculating

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I think there will be, but the market is still not ready to accept ETFs, because the audience is not ready to accept these funds

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again there is some sort of news around discussing the expectation of growth. I think it's manipulation again.

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Sure, it could be positive news if the ETF were to approved, the thing is that expectations from the community are low regarding the ETF. For instance, the hype has cooled down, people have lost any hope of seeing the ETF getting delayed over and over again. With that in mind, the impact of an ETF could be positive but minimal if there isn't enough momentum surrounding it. IMO I don't expect the etf to be approved any time soon, I'd rather keep my expectations on the line than getting excited for what the outcome is gonna be if it ever gets approved.

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in early 2019 we will most probably be on the rise already and any kind of positive news, even something that people sopped caring about such as ETF can help the rise become bigger and increase the final ATH that we reach.

other than that, it is not possible to predict it any more.

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As for me, an approved ETF has nothing in terms of Bitcoin price. Bitcoin price, like the comment above, is really irrational and unlike the traditional trading, it could not be predicted, there are so many factors affecting the Bitcoin price but it is not constant, a factor that could lead to a price surge today might not be like yesterday, any news with regards to the financial status of a particular institution might affect the price today but it could be no harm if it is repeated the other month or day.

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Quote from: avikz on October 04, 2018, 04:41:56 AM

Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

Some group of people has argued we will experience another high surge in Bitcoin Price early 2019 when ETF get approved while some said ETF does not have any crucial role in influencing Bitcoin Price positively. From the little experience i have acquired since i started trading on Cryptocurrencies , i have got to realize price Predictions has never been any effective .The underlying theory of Bitcoin price determinants still remain a mystery unlike in traditional market unless someone got a Crystal ball. lols. Some experts has made lots of wrong prediction in the past.

First of all, there is no assurance that bitcoin ETFs will be approved in early 2019. It may or may not happen so always have a contingency plan ready if you are banking on this news.

Secondly, try to understand what type of ETFs are being reviewed by SEC. Are they synthetic or Physical? If they are synthetic, that means, actual bitcoins will not be bought from the market. That won't change the current demand and hence no impact will be seen in the market. But if the the ETF is a physical one like, Winklevoss ETF, then you can certainly expect some impact in the market, because in this case, physical bitcoins will be purchased from the market which will increase the demand and take it up to another notch higher!

So based on the type of the ETF, you can expect some impact! However, I don't see any hope of the ETFs being approved anytime soon in 2019 as SEC is still very skeptical about these proposals. So don't bank on this just as of now!

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The truth behind predictions are based upon experience or knowledge of a person depending on what he or she observed. Unfortunately, we are blinded by those positive predictions that bitcoin will go up high again specially if ETF approval happens. How many of us here are familiar with ETF and how does it work? I believe that we only hear about ETF news but don't have any idea what is this all about. Based on what I observed, most investors are only go with the flow and follow the news that drives the price of cryptocurrency. If that ETF will be approved, it might affect the price of bitcoin positively.

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Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

Some group of people has argued we will experience another high surge in Bitcoin Price early 2019 when ETF get approved

The problem is that the SEC has often disapproved of ETFs, so it creates a sense of discouragement. it's like people think like this:
"do not have high expectations until I confirm that it has been approved," but if approved it will create a huge price increase, I read in many places that a possible approval of the VanEck ETF would be very beneficial for bitcoin.

Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

while some said ETF does not have any crucial role in influencing Bitcoin Price positively.

this is their opinion

Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

i have got to realize price Predictions has never been any effective.

That is why, s prediction. you should try hard to have less errors in the price forecast.

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Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

Some group of people has argued we will experience another high surge in Bitcoin Price early 2019 when ETF get approved while some said ETF does not have any crucial role in influencing Bitcoin Price positively. From the little experience i have acquired since i started trading on Cryptocurrencies , i have got to realize price Predictions has never been any effective .The underlying theory of Bitcoin price determinants still remain a mystery unlike in traditional market unless someone got a Crystal ball. lols. Some experts has made lots of wrong prediction in the past.

First of all, there is no assurance that bitcoin ETFs will be approved in early 2019. It may or may not happen so always have a contingency plan ready if you are banking on this news.

Secondly, try to understand what type of ETFs are being reviewed by SEC. Are they synthetic or Physical? If they are synthetic, that means, actual bitcoins will not be bought from the market. That won't change the current demand and hence no impact will be seen in the market. But if the the ETF is a physical one like, Winklevoss ETF, then you can certainly expect some impact in the market, because in this case, physical bitcoins will be purchased from the market which will increase the demand and take it up to another notch higher!

So based on the type of the ETF, you can expect some impact! However, I don't see any hope of the ETFs being approved anytime soon in 2019 as SEC is still very skeptical about these proposals. So don't bank on this just as of now!

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Before predicting the price due to ETFs, one must first think whether any ETFs would ever be approved. With the recent changes on the SEC commissioners + Trump voicing some form of support on the matter, it is very likely that the SEC would finally approve some, but then again it isn't a sure thing that the price will perform well after one ETF gets confirmed. Seeing that traders themselves have completely lost interest on the subject, it's hard to picture out what might happen along the way, but for now, people are not interested on any ETF hypes today.

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Quote from: lohladex on October 04, 2018, 03:48:28 AM

Some "experts" has made lots of wrong prediction in the past.

Fixed that for you..

The cryptocurrency market (especially bitcoin) is very irrational.
While an approved ETF might have a positive influence, i wouldn't bet on it.

Especially in times without too much of activity, it seems like the chart doesn't care about any news (neither positive nor negative).

I can very well imagine that an approved ETF would arouse some peoples curiosity, which then could lead to a rising interest again.
But i don't believe it will trigger another bull run as seen in 2017.
At least a positive movement seems to be more probable than a negative one regarding an approved ETF.

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Some group of people has argued we will experience another high surge in Bitcoin Price early 2019 when ETF get approved while some said ETF does not have any crucial role in influencing Bitcoin Price positively. From the little experience i have acquired since i started trading on Cryptocurrencies , i have got to realize price Predictions has never been any effective .The underlying theory of Bitcoin price determinants still remain a mystery unlike in traditional market unless someone got a Crystal ball. lols. Some experts has made lots of wrong prediction in the past.

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