Topic: Would nations adopt a DIY approach post covid-19? (Read 288 times)

This is by far the biggest issue, the economies of the world are more interconnected than at any other moment in history and while this is great when things are going fine this is a problem in the case of a crisis like the pandemic we are facing, many people are still holding the hope that the vaccine is going to save us but as you say it is going to take simply too long so we have no other option but to adapt to the new circumstances, and that means a very important change in the way we used to do things and unfortunately this is going to have a huge impact on the economy and some sectors will suffer a great blow by those changes like tourism.

There will be an effect but with a small impact. Mostly because now more people are realising how low the fatality rate of COVID-19 is in the people age of 1-35.
All these services will be needed in the same rate as before COVID-19 started, even food delivery might have bigger shares in the whole food market.

It is true that online business when a pandemic like this is really needed because there are many who are still afraid to gather because this pandemic is difficult to know that the person is sick or not, because many do not experience signs that have been imposed by covid, and this is very terrible. but online business also for delivering goods needs for pandemic prevention because to buy fast food, there is still a sense of worry and it is better to do it yourself at home.

The fact that indoor farms are getting more famous in Japan tells me we could have a lot more of it in bigger cities as well in the future. For example New York, London, Paris, Madrid, Istanbul type of very crowded big cities could get it done. Offices? Maybe. But there are building farms now where you can grow crops much better and much more efficiently indoors where you could make a lot more profits as well.

I think this pandemic could make farmers lose to their competitions in the end as well. DIY for many things are getting easier as well when technology and youtube helps. You can get the gadgets anywhere you want and you can watch a youtube video on how to do something and that share of information is making a lot of trade work to lose to DIY as well and they can't overcharge anymore.

That will be good and it will be very important for some countries, especially the developing countries to try and adopt such method. We tend to neglect some things, but this situation has taught us a lot. There are many things we really need to look into. It’s just like where I live, the government doesn’t look into agriculture and prefers to import most things which is really bad.

A country where there are such things, I think the government should focus more on investing and helping their local farmers to produce those things that are being imported. It’s really going to be of help. Different countries may adopt different approaches and its effectiveness will be coming up to analyze only after some time and then most countries may try the most possible effective approach. This is how this globe stabilizes itself.

However, you should take into account that in the last 100 years (since the Spanish flu) there has been nothing of this magnitude on a global scale. We must also not just ignore the fact that COVID-19 is a highly virulent disease that spreads incredibly fast in uncontrolled conditions, as shown by the example of Italy, Spain, the UK, Iran, the USA and Brazil. With an average mortality rate of 12% (based on closed cases), it is still something much more dangerous than the common flu.


You are ignoring the economic effects of this pandemic, minor changes are not something that would be realistic in a situation like this, for he who does not learn from the past risks having the same thing happen to him again in the future. A vaccine is something that may happen in 6 months or a year, but its production and distribution will take at least that long. At best, we are talking about at least 3-5 years until everyone is vaccinated, and until then the world cannot afford to have a collective vacation of 3 months every year. Until an effective vaccine is found and most of the world's population is vaccinated, the world will have to adapt to a whole new way of life, which will have very big consequences the way the world economy will work.

You seem to be over exaggerating the situation in my opinion. Do you think that this is the first pandemic that human beings have had to deal with? There were far worse pandemics in the past.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/worst-epidemics-and-pandemics-in-history.html

The black death and the flu were some of the worst(Million times worse than Corona). What happened? Human beings endured and survived. At present, the flu is a common disease.

COVID-19 will cause some minor changes here and there, but nothing major in my opinion. Once everyone gets vaccinated, Corona will probably be just another common disease like the Flu.

Well, it is cheaper for one? Right now not everyone has enough money and they can't pay for everything and eventually we realized we have enough time that we could take care of stuff ourselves as well. I am not going to lie I didn't had to deal with all those stuff and do it myself but for 73 days in a row now I haven't ordered food from outside.

Now you might think that is not really a big deal but let me tell you this, I am a very obese person and I probably eat at least once a week from fast food places and order to my house, that's at least, average is probably 3 times a week from outside. To me 73 days in a row without eating fast food has been the longest in my life probably in 20 years or so. I realized I haven't missed it all that much at all so I am feeling totally fine. Covid19 changed way too many people this way.

I agree with you that people are going to go back to their normal lives as if nothing is happening, in fact we are seeing this is already happening already in some countries, but I think this is because the pandemic is not as severe as people thought it would be, and even if it is not under control the number of people in hospitals has remained pretty much constant for some time now even if the number of active cases has increased dramatically, however if the mortality rate was anywhere near the black death then I'm sure the world will change dramatically just as the black death changed the fourteenth century.

It would be logical to change the approach from complete dependence on someone else, to the country becoming self-sufficient in at least some basic things. The pandemic showed that in fact the whole world was dependent on China when it came to protective equipment, and the situation escalated to the point that shipments were literally hijacked at airports and diverted to other countries. If someone has learned something from all this, then some things will change - unless the policy that we should produce everything in China continues, because the cheapest labor force is there. So far, a good part of the world (especially developed countries) has acted like they live in a hotel with services that deliver everything they need, the question is whether they will change their attitude now - because there are situations where money can't buy something that is not on the market.


Such things primarily depend on the mentality of the people, some are skilled and like to do such jobs themselves which brings them pleasure and at the same time saves money. Those without skills will continue to seek services, especially when the situation calms down. DIY is actually a generally good approach, I hope people get a little more engaged about trying some things out on their own.

If nothing else everyone who has their own garden can try growing tomatoes, cucumbers, beets, peas or something similar. In addition to having healthy vegetables, working in the garden provides a great way to relax and relieve stress.

We may see more offices like these in the future - why go to the vegetable store when you can pick the same in your office

Life needs to go on, we can't stay in lockdown forever, that would mean the end of economy, businesses and any kind of progress.
But now after the worst part of pandemic experts now more about the virus and how it's spreading so if the second part comes, it might be easier and people will need to learn how to live with virus because we can't stop the whole world once again.
I think that everyone of us will need to.find own way how to cope with such situations if they ever repeat again.

I think its more like life along with pandemic rather than living post this pandemic as in our country the government started to make several relaxations with the number growing at a reasonably faster rate as they can't handle the economic worse which will happen because of the extended lockdown. So yes social distancing masks will be playing a huge roll in the months to come. This will not be over any time soon I think it might take around a year or so to return to the before pandemic level

we can still do something like disenfection before and after work or wear mask , gloves and other protective gears now tell me isnt that enough to protect your self from the virus and still continue living normally or working normally  ? the tasks said arent even public so its more safer , im mean they individually done only  .

diy is okay if you dont have the money or as long as you can do it yourself effortlesly  but if not then dont be shy to hire someone to do the job   .  

The truth is that we can’t continue to stay indoors forever, we are just going to learn to adapt to the situation. If we should continue to live like this in lockdown, then the economy of most countries will definitely crash. That’s why a lot of countries are now starting to ease the lockdown and letting people go back to doing their businesses. Even restaurants are starting to open and others are doing the same. I just believe that we will find a way to go through this situation without having to stay indoors.

Moreover, I am also believing that as time goes on the world will come up with the cure for this Coronavirus and will be able to deal with it once and for all.

Yes. DIY approach is what some people are already doing during this global pandemic and for me it's a good advantage knowing we are doing this of course with precautionary measures. It's hard to live life having this corona virus still around and knowing the fact that we don't know when this pandemic will end, DIY approach is a good option to start with.

It seems to me that this is not about an individual person, but about the production of the country. That is, whether the countries themselves will produce metal structures or order them from China.
It is impossible to predict what the new future will be.

The right language is not to do it your self but you are on your own. Each person takes care of their respective interests in building individual resilience both in the economic and food fields. For the problem of health security, all individuals and even the whole world must join hands on the basis of humanity.

Post-corona the challenge is to create independence before the supply and demand chains return to normal. Each individual or family is almost impossible to meet their own needs. If independence at the individual level cannot be created, we extend independence at the level of the neighboring community of life. We can begin to record each family about the products or services they can produce that ultimately can meet each other's needs in the community. Back to basic concepts such as ancient times consume what is produced and produce what is consumed is the wisest way before the economy gets back on track. Because today is not an ancient era, it has slightly evolved with the concept of community resilience.

I do not know how life in developed countries, in my country the home industry produces fast food, detergents, bath soap, dish soap, vegetables, freshwater fish. Although it is still a simple staple, it can at least ensure that members of the community do not starve. For products that the community cannot produce themselves can ask two people to register in each house and spend with extra tips. This will rotate the economy of many people and prepare an independent economic foundation in each community.



At the country level, the complexity of the problem is higher, when the global supply chain is broken, the unemployment rate is high and domestic consumption is also weakening, the government's challenge is to create labor-intensive projects that can pump demand with the aim of returning the heartbeat of the economy. When Corona was conquered and the recovery corona design was made the government could print money to fund the labor-intensive project with the main requirement of 100% in the country, there were no imports of either labor or raw materials and the project had to be layered so that many sectors lived.

We agree that the micro small and medium business sector is the sector that absorbs the workforce the fastest, this is the sector that must be considered by the government.

Should they do it : Yes
Would they do it : No

See am not trying to judge , but the developed countries do save a lot of money by importing stuff from the developing countries . As for the developing ones , it does account for a huge amount of their own GDP too , to actually provide stuff or to export. Due to huge population in some they do export cheap stuff and most spare parts are assembled in the developing nations due to less wage of the workers .

If the developed nations do try and do it all by themselves , they would actually need a different kind of industrial revolution.They will have to clear patches of land and set up factories . At the same time import the machineries and give job to a lot of people. It is not something that would happen overnight.

It would take time.

But the government always prefers the easy way out ..thus I said no they won't do it , the market will keep having small scale businesses but nothing the sort of an industrial revolution.
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P.S. Just want to share out of context that one of the AIDS drug is shown to reduce the recovery time of the Corona Virus disease and therefore we do have hope of this quarantine being over . let's see what governments will try and do after that.

DIY is already quite popular for the reason that in the era of super accessibility and information noise, people are increasingly choosing some creative activities as a hobby. It's unlikely that COVID will have much of an impact on this. Streams are also unlikely to rise because many who are looking for DIY content want to then repeat what they saw and the stream format is a lot of inconvenience for this (Yes, I know that then there are records but many who delete them).

Not quite, while developed countries such as US would be able to pull off an DIY approach, others won't be able to. US is a bitch, I think a lot of people are forgetting that.

DIY approach would only be executed by select few countries, who have the ability to. Thing is, everything is in a bad bad BAD state right now, DIY approach could end up causing more harm than good. Its better if Nations collaborate and work together, than to end up suffering alone.

Countries are already making their own approach to this pandemic albeit the continuous warnings of the WHO to a possible second wave of the disease since they couldn't afford any more quarantines or lock downs. While the teachings of the 1918 pandemic re: social distancing and quarantines somewhat helped in slowing the disease, it also served as a hurting edge by aiding with the mass layoffs that's happening on every part of the world. As we know more on the nature of the virus, which population is vulnerable and which aren't, governments are preparing for the 'worst' that is to come since we can no longer afford losing money and risk a larger economic meltdown. Guidelines are already published on the slow but gradual return to the supply chains and other sectors of the economy while schools and academe are still barred operating and holding classes face-to-face.

At least though, this pandemic brought some interesting thoughts on the table. Cities with dense populations are no-go zones in the future that's for sure due to the fear of yet another viral outbreak, and dispersing the number of workers all throughout the country and promoting more growth on the rural areas. This might also mean that dying enterprises and industries might soon be revived due to the lack of work available currently. All in all this pandemic might help us redo the system and revisit the 'lost' parts of our society that has been long centered on cities with bustling activity and roaring skyscrapers.


Since no money is circulating on most countries currently, I believe that the Heckscher-Ohlin model would be observed and followed greatly in order to complement one country's needs to the other, making an equilateral trade without loss nor profit but just enough to sustain economies in the meantime. Harmony in trade relations is what's really needed with the current situation of our global economy. While the H-O model gives a somewhat good light of hope on countries with specific abundance in natural resources, certain countries in the Middle East would have to make do with what they have since their oil isn't as valuable as it was before all of this, making them reliant on their cash reserves to make some imports on what they really need.


You can call this the DIY era IMO since people can't go out and certain people with limited access can roam around for specific purposes, and as such leaves the task on their own hands. Laborious tasks such as what you've mentioned require the worker to touch surfaces of the different parts of the house, so there's the threat of the virus being spread here and there. But with careful application of aseptic techniques to make sure the workplace is clean and free of virus, in-house services shouldn't be a problem.

But yeah, I'm seeing myself learning some stuff that I previously didn't care to bother about since I have some people to do it for me. Just the other day, I was able to make my own study table (definitely not ordered from IKEA) since I can't see a reliable appliance/hardware store that can ship me one immediately.

There is nothing to be unclear about ending of the pandemic. The pandemic WILL end like all those previous pandemics. Maybe in few months, or maybe in years, but it is bound to end. Currently, we might not be able to get a "medical end", but we will learn to live with the virus. We won't be fearing it, like we do currently.
Yeah, some people might take DIY approach. Those fear the virus a "lot" might end up doing in house painting, all those plumbing and so on. Those who accepts the fact that the virus is here to stay, will hire people like they used to before, but this time will take necessary measures to keep themselves safe from the virus.

Hmm. I should've read up on the definition of airborne. I didn't bother to delineate the difference between something flying at you out of someone's gob, and something suspended in the air and lingering. Both seem airborne to me.

I agree. There's a lot to learn yet. Those facts that emerge are what are going to decide our future for many years to come.

This is very possible, humans I think are naturally inclined to block out possible bad outcomes, this stops us from constantly pondering the ways we can die and living in constant fear. However more people can become interested in prevailing health conditions, I read an article recently about the spread of infectious diseases between humans and animals being on the rise, it would be interesting to see how majority approach the situation.

AFAIK, there's no evidence to support the claim that the disease is airborne, if someone coughs or sneezes, the virus can travel a few feet before dropping to the ground, it can not travel much farther than this. However, there's very little we know about the virus as yet.

On an individual level, it may not have much of an impact. How nations would react may be different, I wouldn't trust myself to do my plumbing work, but a country can invest more in agriculture and grow their own vegetables rather than importing them, and this could impact economies and international trades

According to the WHO, the virus mainly infects people via droplets, and there isn't enough evidence to say it's airborne (see here). As for people getting sick after attending the church, there are, of course, differences between branches of Christianity, but in my country it's mainly Orthodox churches where there's the Eucharist pretty much every Sunday with everyone often drinking wine from the same spoon. Not to mention many people literally kissing the icons and other things in the church.
Even before the pandemic, there have been talks about the economic crisis being around the corner, and banks could be blamed for that once more (and even for basically not learning much from the first time). Here's just an example of an article in October 2019. So I don't think the pandemic is to blame for the crisis. It triggered the inevitable, definitely made it more serious than it could've been without it, but it's not the sole cause of the global crisis. As for DIY, people definitely started cooking more because of many places being closed, and some probably tried to fix stuff or make stuff on their own instead of buying it. I don't think, however, that this'll be the big trend.

It would have been interesting if everyone in the 14th century would have been literate and had kept a journal during the black death.

I imagine a lot would have come with far more pessimistic views on how the world will evolve, with every family trying to live it its own house in the countryside, with villages on lockdown and all of them surrounded by walls, without pets like dogs or cats or with huge bonfires burning all day long in the cities (yeah, we didn't know much about diseases at that time), many fearing that commerce will never be the same, that ships will never sail again and....here we are...

Humans have really a short memory span, what we think it's going to change our lives forever will be dismissed a few weeks later, just as you slow down below the speed limit when you see a crashed car and an hour later you're doing 100 in a 60 miles zone. All those precautions will be forgotten, 99% will forget they have claimed eating their own cooked meal is 100 times better than in a restaurant, they will forget they have sworn never to set foot in a hotel again or to travel to Asia. It might not be this year, but in two years everyone will again travel all around the world, shaking hands, kissing fellow workers, dancing half-drunk on the beach, and drinking from the same cup with the first girl they picked up in a rundown bar.

There will be no adaptation, there will be forgetfulness!


 

I also believe that there will no big effect on delivery services. In fact, in my country, delivery services are becoming in demand. People are afraid to go outside that is why many people are ordering online. Also, one reason is that fast food and other food businesses don't allow eating inside, you can only do take-out or delivery. As for online shopping, people are actually buying essentials online like face masks and alcohol. Although the delivery men are at the big risk of acquiring the virus, they just follow the protocols and do proper hygiene. Since they also need to work because that's the only way they can earn income during the lockdown.

I have heard in the news that while scientists are busy looking for the vaccine to stop COVID-19, we should also learn to adapt some changes and practice living normally (new normal) even though there's a threat of the virus. We can't just wait for the vaccine and do nothing, we also need to live and work. I bet during post-COVID-19, people would be more cautious about their environment and the people around them because this is what we need to practice.

Possibly people will approach DIY methods on possible things after this lockdown not because of the fear of virus spread just because of their economy status.People think that they can save money if get this work done by themselves.

Other than this we will back into normal life as before covid only we may asked to wear PPE on public places until there is clear vaccination for covid 19.

There is only so much you can do yourself. Some non-essential work might be postponed but if you have a sewer backing up you will call a plumber.

Anything more complicated like electrical work may need inspection anyway so no big benefit for DIY with regards to virus risk. Stuff that I can do myself and save some money I was already doing before the pandemic. No big change.

Eh? Of course it's airborne. How else do these church choirs who all die a few weeks after getting together catch it? They're not all going to touch the same surfaces. They are all going to breathe the same air.

Once things have settled down there'll be lots of talk about 'bringing manufacturing home' and then they'll realise it costs too much so they'll stockpile. Then they'll realise maintaining the stockpile costs too much so they'll deplete it. Then the cycle will begin again.

That is why genuine and unconditional love for others is important in any society. If you don't love much you will be reckless and self centered.

 So, you could easily run a society that genuinely love others:  love the CREATOR, humans and HIS other creations. If you genuinely love others you start living for others and doing what is good for their sakes.

I guess so? The virus spread is in all honesty, a responsibility of each and every one of ourselves, not the government. Yes, they put out rules and enforce distancing but really, people aren't stupid enough to not understand that. It's just that some people do understand that, yet they still don't do anything about it. It's kinda sad really, it's like we're killing our fellow countrymen because of our own stupidity (in all aspects).


I doubt it would that much. I mean, yea DIY skills are really nice and all but nothing beats professional work. Let's not beat around the bush and just say that most of our DIY works are actually just patch works instead of actually "proper" work. The said services would probably be temporarily available or severely limited instead. Home delivered services are still up and running on our country and it's working out so well with proper safety precautions, especially right now with the lockdown where people can't leave willy nilly like that.

Many countries are easing lockdowns gradually, I was listening to Donald Trump speak yesterday IIRC and even America is planning on opening up gradually as soon as possible; the virus is still in virtually all countries that was affected, but they can't remain closed anymore, they have to open up.

Now that's where "do it yourself" also comes into play, the government expects citizens to take responsibility at this time, most importantly for their health and safety, to follow guidelines, use face masks...and all other preventive measures as well; you have a duty to yourself now that the nation is opening up even when the virus hasn't been eradicated...so also "do it yourself" will apply in other areas of life, acquiring skills, doing what you can do to get your life and business/livelihood back on track, choosing essential services to use, etc, we'll have to learn to do a lot of things ourselves, as the government struggles to revive the economic situation.

Do It Yourself approach isn't a bad idea at all in fact, it can do some good things for us aside from saving money it can also teach us doing things by ourselves. Though it may affect the people whose income relies on these services and I think since humans are capable of adapting to their environment I'm positive if the DIY approach will be applied after this pandemic then these people can find a  way for their living diverting from one livelihood to another.

Somehow this pandemic can only cause this DIY approach in the meantime but as soon as the vaccine will be discovered then everything will be back to normal same as what they are prior to covid19 excluding the effect in the economy.

And for sure, those businesses that have been resume after the flatten curve result showed, they will experience a "new normal" activity to have precautionary measures. And here in our country that was already implemented, House Speaker, solons file 'new normal' bill.

The way of life is quite different after this pandemic. How hotels and restaurants will do their business after this lockdown is bit strict, like accommodating about 50% of the usual customers in restaurants and max of 2 persons occupancy in hotel rooms. I've seen such news recently. But at least we are slowly recovering from this situation.

https://www.untvweb.com/news/dot-mandates-maximum-of-double-occupancy-for-hotels-under-new-normal/

Very interesting question, I think for nations that really on such services, maybe it could have an impact. But at least here in my country, we are used to DIY so I doubt that it will have any influence whatsoever.

Food service though is different, it has taken off during this pandemic as they are allowed to bring food and other essentials to help people that are in a lockdown. And as far as the economy goes, we have ease the lockdown here, I'm seeing some stores opening, support systems are already there, so probably we can still thrive during this pandemic and we may see some movements that will help the economy stir at bit and see how it will go post pandemic.

I do think of the same thought too, if there will be an impact of services like this it would be just like a minor changes like for food deliveries, they will wear a complete PPE (gloves, mask, face shield) to protect them from contacting the virus also for their customer. In the post-pandemic, better to let go of the normal things you do coz there will be a new norms for everything and this is only thing that I would like after this pandemic.
If it was airborne then we might be just a dust now lol.

I don't see a huge impact on such home delivered services. Even if there's an impact, that will be temporary. Definitely people will have to adopt a new way of living post this pandemic time. Social distancing, wearing mask and use of hand sanitizers will become a norm till the time COVID is permanently removed from the face of earth. But the impact of home delivered services will be temporary, even if it happens in any way!

I thank to God because Covid virus is not airborne. So there's a way out if we follow the new rules of life!

Corona virus has impacted the world in many significant ways, and it has brought to the fore our basic human instinct: survival.
A global crisis is evident all around us, on news stations, articles, newspapers etc. Drastically low figures of stocks, businesses, GDP growth, [almost everything] seems to be on the decline, and all these points in the direction of a looming global recession.
As opposed to previous cases of recession; globally or limited to a specific country, which were caused by failure of banks, or a fall in the stock market, this one would be the result of a pandemic which slowed down global economies to a startling halt.

It is yet unclear when the pandemic would come to an end, or if we would have to adapt to live with it, but the reality is at some point the world would have to start moving again; we are already seeing signs of that in some countries.

What would be the situation, post covid-19?
One major goal of nations at the end of this pandemic would be to accelerate the economy, by encouraging spending, through providing loans to individuals and businesses, but nations are interdependent, with international relations playing a huge factor in the growth of an economy. Would this change and nations begin to take a more Do It Yourself approach?
While coronavirus is a global crisis, it has been tackled differently in various regions and we would have nations free from the virus, while others still battle with it, and some others still may have to adapt to living with it, how much of an impact would this have on international trades?

Asides natural resources, like oil and gold which nations possess inherently, other resources can be integrated in; Machine parts, food resources, etc. This could lead to greater internal investments on skills; and could increase employment, this would have more impact on nations with trade deficit. Although this would still have to be done in consideration of the Heckscher-Ohlin Model; which encourages nations to produce that which utilizes their abundant resources, but a heavy dependence on imports have allowed nations overlook possibilities that can be harnessed and maximized.

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Side note: Do you also think this would have an effect on an individual level? Services such as in-house painting, furniture moving, plumbing work, food delivery etc from outside sources, the fear of contracting a virus could lead more people to take a more Do It Yourself approach and what impact would this have on home delivered services?