Topic: Would you be interested in promoting Bitcoin projects/services for free? (Read 914 times)

Money definitely isn't everything and I've worn free signatures more than paid ones throughout my time here.  However, I've found that being paid to post here reduced the troll attacks against me a great deal.  Once they saw that I was being paid to respond to their nonsense, they lost interest in constantly baiting me with lies.  So it was a 2 for 1 for me.  Earn money, and discourage trolls with a grudge from wasting my time with lies.  Hard to beat those sort of benefits. 

I've missed the "announcement", but I've noticed that many wear a different avatar for Bitcoincleanup.com and that's why I didn't comment on that.
The new avatar looks somewhat broken on my computer. Probably that's the part supposed to be "sparkly" (that's why I kept the old one and I feel it does the job just fine).

Thanks for trying to bring that into my attention though.

But that's very rare, and you will hardly come across many people that do that. It's an exception to the rule, so to say.

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Btw, @NeuroticFish, you are still wearing the old Bitcoincleanup.com avatar. There is a new and sparkly one. Although, the old one looks cleaner and more rounded.

I did it before and I do it now Money is not everything and I'm not here for the money. It's nice to get a bonus for spending the time here, tho, but this should not be the main reason to be here.

No, your logic is incorrect, sorry. As said, expecting people leave paid campaigns for free ones is unrealistic.
On the other hand there are still many users not part of campaigns and/or simply wearing their own avatar; if 10-20% of them would do just a little to help these projects it would already matter/become visible.

Not exactly. There are members of this forum who aren't in any signature campaigns and they never apply for any either. But they also don't seem willing to advertise things for free, so they either don't care about signatures in general, they don't think it's a good idea, or they don't want to be told what to do.

That's not something I expect people to do nor should anyone be asked to do something like that.

Well, to be honest, everyone will be willing to wear a free signature depending upon availability. This means that if you are not in a campaign, your signature and/or avatar is free, so wear anything for free promotion or for a social cause.

The true essence of this question should be that will you be willing to let go of your signature in order to wear another signature for free for a noble or social cause. The majority of the people will answer No to this question as money is more important for most people.

In the event that people wanted a signature to wear for free of a long running, trustworthy, and awesome community organization, such a thing has existed a long time (although could probably use an update). I present to you the NastyFans No-Pay Signature Campaign: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nastyfans-no-pay-signature-campaign-767863

Feel free to use the signature, rip off the code for your own signature campaign, or use it in any other way that makes you happy. 

There are some users with red trust promoting Bitcoin Cleanup so that's not a problem for me (just as long as you are not a BSV shill since they have a tendency to change BTC to BSV    )


BitcoinCleanup is the nonprofit; I don't really consider it a "charity" since I don't depend on user funds for operation - the only reason I wrote that in the sig campaign title because I saw another sig campaign do that several months ago.

As explained on the site, user funds are only used to pay for advertising expenses (and also hosting, though I mostly have that under control right now).

As I mentioned in the OP, I would appreciate if we don't discuss projects, motivations, what to promote, and what not to in this thread. This discussion was created to get feedback from the community and see whether or not they are interested in promoting something for free. That's all. I will quote your post and answer it in Forum advertising space for free signature/avatar advertisement.

Not sure if negative trust accounts are allowed but still I would be more than willing to promote projects/services I know or use. I would also try some exciting new projects but it depends on the credibility of the project.

Secondly, promoting for free would be our part but are these projects asking you for free promotions? Considering their status, I don't think they might be looking for free promotions. So a very important questions arriving here is "are those projects paying you?" "If yes, are you donating the amounts to some charity?" "If no, than what would be the usecase of those funds?"

Some people are wearing unofficial avatars, signatures, and even mentions of websites in their personal text space. But it's rare to come across it because the majority of users are part of paid campaigns and can't do it.

I just bumped the other topic closely related to this subject. I invite everyone to check it out if they want to help > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61016869.

Interesting topic; entirely missed it until now.
Just wanted to pop by and say that I've been doing it already, but instead of going through a coordinated campaign like what is envisioned here, I just did it on my own. I believe that's what others do, as well.

Right now, I am wearing a profile picture with https://bisq.network/ and https://walletscrutiny.com/ logos.
I try to give https://www.defendingbtc.com/ more exposure through my personal text, as well.

For promoting Bitcointalk threads, I have a 'Other recommended topics (not sponsored)' on my webpage, which can be found on my Bitcointalk profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/n0nce-3373858

I believe this is the easiest way to do it; no coordination required and everyone can promote whatever they deem important and underrepresented.

I read dev and tech at times but your right, I don’t comment because most of it is over my head..
Maybe I should even if my comments come from a poor understanding because it will bump threads and probably lead to me learning more from replies to me..


What I would really like to promote is more awareness of what can be done on Bitcoin through counterparty because it is so much fun to use and leads to so much use of Bitcoin..
Things that can be done on Bitcoin through Counterparty also has so much potential to bring market share back to Bitcoin from all of these other shitcoins promising smart contracts and tolkenization..
I want Bitcoin to lead these markets and it not just be thrown away to other shitcoins..

Last call to see if there are any more people who would be interested in promoting good bitcoin-related projects for free?
We have about 10 people right now.

After this, the next step will be to try and find some people who would be willing to share what we do over social media and someone who could create avatars and signatures. 

@NeuroticFish, @Agbe
Like I mentioned a couple of posts above and in the OP, I would appreciate if we don't discuss such things in this thread and do it in Forum advertising space for free signature/avatar advertisement instead. I am going to quote and reply to you guys there.

If couldn't find good paying signature campaign, then sure 

First of all before I say yes, let me say, before we wear the signature, avatar and text in any campaign, we must know the kind of service rendering by the company because if we wear a particular signature and avatar and Personal text and in the process or later we discovered that the company has bad reputation. At that stage what will you do?

As for the free campaign train I will join it if I am not on any payment signature campaign, avatar and Personal text. Rendering free service is one my hobbies in the world. And also the campaign must be brought by a reputable user in the forum. I will not join if the person just registered and providing a service for to advertise for him or her. Therefore, let it be that the campaign is managed by a only user (s). Lastly, I am very much ready to promote any campaign that is for the benefit of bitcoin in the world and in Bitcointalk. If the above criteria are meant.

I could also do this, now and then, for avatar + personal text, but with no strong commitment.

And while I guess that this means pretty much nothing, I guess that many others are in the same situation: if somebody start "managing" such campaigns, some of those having nothing better/more profitable to wear, would also think on this as a valid option, especially if they see reputable/trusted members wearing that.

(And yes, a campaign manager could be a must, as somebody keeping a close eye on how the advertised service is developing, and make sure people don't end up advertising scam).

We currently have 9 people who have shown an interest in providing free promotion: Pmalek, Rizzrack, Mbitr, BitcoinGirl.Club, Z-tight, eddie13, Maestro75, ETFbitcoin, and Ucy. Approximately the same number of people are maybes depending mostly on whether or not they are in a signature campaign or not.

Is there anyone else? 

@Rizzrack and @Ucy
Let's stick to the local rule and keep this thread clean from such discussions. I only want this thread to be about those who are and who aren't interested in the possible advertisement services that could be offered. I am going to quote your posts and address your concerns in Forum advertising space for free signature/avatar advertisement.

What sort of project will that be if the people behind it don't make any money? How is it going to be maintained? Via donation or what? If they make money via donation for example that will kind of contradict this: There should be ways to sustain the project even if they are non-profit.

In regards to betting, I'm just saying that because the forum is filled with betting promotions. I need something different or unique

In principle any ad you promote will not matter if it is legit and not an obvious scam. I see a lot of users who get merit and rank up when they promote gambling campaign, this is proof that there are positive things that can be done while on any campaign especially if they care about the quality of the posts.

Quality posters are needed in any campaign, and I think free advertising needs them too. Spammers probably won't get much space in any campaign except for bounties which only require ad visibility rather than poster quality.

Pmalek, let me consider this free campaign if I have time later. I hope it helps even I'm not a quality poster. 

This is free community advertisement and is not supposed to make the organizers or the people involved in the promotions any money. However, if the developers or projects believe the community deserves some rewards, they have the right to think of a way to compensate the people. I previously suggested that it can be done with discounted services or special offers for Bitcointalk members, etc. 

Betting platforms and for-profit businesses shouldn't be the scope of these campaigns.

I'll be very much willing to do this as long as the projects are actually good. I however wish we can find ways to sustain it by tipping the advertisers once in a while, the project owners can also support with whatever they have when they become profitable, etc.

I just need great things to promote. Betting ads are beginning to look like spam to me as there aren't too many unique & interesting ones thesedays.

I have seen your proposal a few days ago. Do I think there should be a universal/standardized message verification system for SegWit? Yes. Do I have the technical knowhow to provide feedback, suggest improvements, go through the code, criticize? I am afraid, I don't. Writing something silly in such a serious thread isn't something I want to do. I am sure there are many other people that feel the same way. And there are those who might not want to admit it. All I can do is read through the posts and comment on what I think is wrong or what I don't agree with.   

I know that some people might consider this off-topic, but look at it from a radically different angle: If you want to advertise stuff for free, why don't you give your inputs on BIPs and upgrades to the Bitcoin Network? You are on a bitcoin forum after all, and it does not cost any money to do that.

You don't even have to be a developer or technically competent to participate in those discussions. The headlines and subjects of most of those initiatives are simple enough for the average user to understand.

I am seeing a major problem that is slowly growing bigger and bigger. It's that most people assume that since they don't understand how something works they think they can't give constructive feedback. This creates a loop, and eventually nobody else is talking about the proposals and they grind to a standstill. And it is not only limited to Bitcoin too, it can be seen in any software engineering space where further development depends solely on the advancements made by individuals around the world.

If you look in the archives of the "Development and Technical Discussion" forum and the bitcoin-dev mailing list, you can see that a lot of ideas have been proposed that have gotten literally no answer, and then the people who have proposed them have disappeared ever since. Simply because there is no dialogue!

The projects you guys are promoting are developed by small bands of people like you and I, and they also depend on feedback to keep going. If you shut off the feedback, one of two outcomes is going to happen: 1) it is going to die out or 2) if it is a more sustainable project it will become hardened by its own ideas to the point where it becomes a rogue project - and this has happened to quite a number of projects: From mixers and wallet software to mining pools [Hi Roger Ver] to even non-crypto projects such as Brave, some boffins wuld also include ElasticSearch (even Facebook and Google started with halos on their heads).

Or for an example that is closer to home, it isn't hard to see now a rift occuring in the network, because institutions and software are clinging on to old standards. Other people try to update these standards to improve the network, and get discouraged when nobody adopts them. Look at how many exchanges are still using Legacy addresses, for example.

This post isn't simply a wild biosphere of theory. I am making efforts right now to support the new address formats inside signed messages. But the problem I have is not a technical one, it's that nobody is giving feedback about anything. So how are people like me supposed to know if anybody agrees with the changes proposed?

So please, while you are busy making posts to meet your signature campaign quota, I urge you all to consider setting aside a few posts for constructive comments on these proposals. Remember, that the prices will only go up on the condition that Bitcoin-related work is further advanced.

Promotion will only be fruitful if corresponding amount of dialogue is made.  

I voted for yes, since I would like to hold bitcoin banners anywhere if possible but as some of others mentioned since I am already taking part in signature and avatar campaign sonI can't change it right away but the only free for now is personal text which is also occupied by bitcoin in it, so if you have anything for personal text then I would love to and in future I may wear avatar and signature as well.

Am currently free now. I was in that Betfury campaign and when it ended I decided to keep the avatar on. If you have yours now I will gladly wear it pending when I find a paying campaign that attracts me. I hope my comment clears the doubt?

This quoted part can have two meanings, so let me doublecheck. I can see that you are wearing a Betfury avatar but no signature, which makes me think you are currently not a participant of their campaign and you are wearing it out of your own will. Am I right? I am asking so that I know if I should add you to the YES or MAYBE list.

Yes Pmalek, I will gladly wear a free logo and avatar for what you are proposing whenever am not in a campaign like now. It is even something I sent @icopress a pm asking his permission to wear his own advert logo if he allowed it about a week ago to which he has not responded to. I like to support any business that is credible without getting paid for it once am free.

I haven’t been paid for a signature in years..

We are basically giving shitcoins away for near free right now, for fun, and to increase awareness of what you can do with dogeparty and counterparty..

Nobody ever wants to pay for my signature because I don’t consistently make a lot of posts, so yeah..
Feel free to let me know if something cool comes up that could use some exposure..
I might do it if I like it..

As long as I am not already involved in a running campaign, I am interested in taking part, so please put me down as "depending on availability" as well.



As far as I know, Pmalek hasn't yet been knighted by the Queen, so there's no need to address him as "Sir". 

Thank you, but no need for the admiration. I am just a bastard posting on an internet forum.

Since that is not the case right now and you are actively promoting a casino, I will put you down as a "depending on availability".

Since you can't wear an avatar due to your rank and we still have to see whether we will get a signature for Bisq or any other project we start advertising, I will place you in the same maybe category as CryptoHeadlineNews. Thanks!

This thread made me do a search to find out more about bisq, and I could see that it is highly recommended by forum members. Advertising it for others to find out is a good cause, and i am interested in doing that.
I can only wear a signature and personal text now and I will offer that. Thank you.

First of all, I wish to thank you Sir Pmalek for appreciating my avatar design. It was at least the little I could give to the forum, and I will be always ready to offer my services anytime for the growth and development of this forum. So in regards to the free adverts promotion, you can count me in, because I will be ready to promote any projects as long as I'm not in a paid signature campaign. Thanks 🙏

I have put your name in the YES category since your current campaign allows you to wear your own avatar and personal text.
Thanks!

There is one more thing I wanted to do before. In the original discussion, I mentioned:

I would like to see if this forum has people willing to help on this front as well. Users with a good social media following. I hate the word influencers, so I am not going to use that. Optimally, there would be people doing the promotion via social media as well. They advertise the same projects and Bitcointalk as the place where quality projects can get free promotion. 

I think it's great idea. Helping for new projects who don't have budget for promotion or their main goal isn't commercial sounds great. You can mark me Depending on availability. Now I'm in campaign and I can't have alternative avatar, but I can add it on my personal text and website link on my profile. Probably it's not very significant, but better than nothing.

Yes Pmalek, i will be interested in the free advertisement of good bitcoin projects whenever i do not have any commercial offer, so you can contact me when this goes live, and if i have no offers then, i will advertise the project for free. I am wearing one as my signature and avatar already for a week now, so i do not mind.

By the way, i like the avatars created by CryptoHeadlineNews for Bisq, can we start with that already? i want to wear one of them, the design is so beautiful.

Pmalek, feel free to contact me as one of the people who are willing if one day the campaign that I promote is finished. Right now the campaign requires me to use an avatar and it's a requirement I have to fulfill, but if one day the campaign is over then I might take a free job for a while as a form of support.

I don't see any problem at all to give a little advertising to a good bitcoin project if they need as long as I am not in a paid signature. Take is a YES from me. The avatar currently I have represents my Wall Observer gang, it's love for me. Whenever I get a chance in a signature where I do not need to wear the avatar I give them priority so that I can have my own avatar.

I am going to put you down as "depending on availability". You are interested in taking part, but only if you aren't already in a running campaign, which is currently the case.

OK, I will add you to the list of interested users. What about Bisq, for example? Would you be wiling to promote them if we decide to make that our first activity?

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@YOSHIE, I will put you in the depending on availability list together with PX-Z. You can't take part right now because the rules of your current campaign won't allow you to wear alternative avatars and probably not a personal text that promotes a different service either.

@Mbitr Added to the list, thanks!

Yep - I’d definitely do it . My signature is promoting for a friend for free at the mo.
Like other members have said - I’d have to my own research on the product/service though 

Of course, that's what I did when I was full rank, have @The Cryptovator., I did it on my own volition and on my own initiative, free of charge alias free.

In short:
Maybe, if the campaign I'm currently participating in doesn't hint at Avatar, of course I'll do the same as back then, because the rules have to use an avatar, of course I have to follow the rules of the campaign and the company.

Maybe you can include me, which supports.

If they are interesting new projects developed by non-newbie^[1] forum members or I use & like them very much, then sure! Just point me to them  

^[1] - this part is case by case depending on my own opinion about the project and user

Previously ^{(last week apparently, before i was accepted on this current campaign)}, i was wearing the signature on tranthidung's thread the Museum of Bitcoin, Bitcointalk avatars [Community-led] for 5-6 tdays. It's about the bitcoin project, whitepaper, links and etc.

So as long the project is on my taste i'm willing to participate and promote it on my signature space ^(only), only if i'm not on any paying campaigns though.

Before answering the question in the poll, please take a look at Forum advertising space for free signature/avatar advertisement. That way you will understand what this is about.

After reading the discussion, would you be interested in offering your signature space, avatar, and/or personal text to advertise good Bitcoin projects and services for free?
I would also appreciate if those who are interested could write a post saying they are. That way I will know who to contact if this turns into something real.

The first suggested project is the decentralized exchange Bisq.
CryptoHeadlineNews even created some avatars already. You can take a look at them here.

Local Rule:
No discussion of projects and whether or not this is a good idea here! Do that in the other thread. This topic and poll is only to find out how many people are interested in participating.  

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Members interested in free promotion:

Pmalek, Rizzrack, Mbitr, BitcoinGirl.Club, Z-tight, eddie13, Maestro75, ETFbitcoin, Ucy, NeuroticFish

Depending on availability:

PX-Z, YOSHIE, skarais, LTU_btc, CryptoHeadlineNews, un_rank, FatFork, Findingnemo, Agbe, libert19