Topic: Would you gamble in a league with serious allegations of collusion? (Read 475 times)

I think you dont need to waste your time in that kind of betting because surely they can manipulate the possible winning in gamble games. For me its better to find another gambling site which is have no secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose because you can get more opportunities when your in the right gambling site.

This is another point I have always talked about in different threads here in the forum.The referee has a big impact on the game outcome if he decides to do so.I have only rarely seen real punishments to referees which clearly have acted in favor of one team.

I think swogerino and Ty are right, and we all remember Italy from 10 years ago also had bad matchfixing scandals that even caused Juventus to be stripped off their titles (such bad luck for those not involved). But I think OP also has a point in that like some leagues even where I come from, there is no way to monitor the smaller teams and amateur leagues. I would never bet on them.

Thought as much, I don't believe there's any league where such activity doesn't occur. Some might be obvious than the others but if you play close attention, you'll observe some irregularities in all the league. The VAR is one of those feature that make decisions to favor some clubs over the others and this can be used to manipulate matches. The referee too are also guilty as they tend to be soft on some clubs (players) while been hard on the others.

Concerning the topic title, I won't mind placing a bet in a league with serious allegations of collision not minding the risk involved as far it could still be profitable putting into consideration they are opportunities everywhere.

Here in our country in our basketball league, three teams are own by one company, but there are no allegations of fixing, it's up to the league to see if there are game fixing on how the players and the team plays, the league must do everything to keep the league clean because sales ticket and support will dwindle if they cannot keep the league clean.

Oh, Greek league is really dirty, I follow sometimes what's going on there and it's crazy. Almost every matchday ends with scandals. They even invite foreign referees for big games.
League of my country is also one of dirtiest in Europe and I bet on it a lot. I don't have inside info, but it's not difficult to see which games is fixed. It's enough to see squad of suspicious team, how players behave on pitch, how odds are changing. But you have to react fast, because bookmakers often remove such games or odds become too low.
Usually they are fixing goals over and margin. Last season I remember one ridiculous thing when fixers team concedef 6 goals just in 26 minutes. Unfortunately, I haven't saw what odds for first half over 5.5 was. So after all, 2 teams were banned from competition eith ~20 suspicious games.

I think collusion happens everywhere in gambling, but different percentages across different countries.

When it comes gambling, it doesn't matter which League, what matters is the fact that you understand the league and the bet you are placing.

FOR me now, i gamble alot on (1-4 goals scored). It doesn't matter the collusion as long as i can get 3 correct away or home teams to score 1-4 goals.

Gambling is gambling, fixed or not. There will still money that will flow on this even in the league with fixed-game related issues in the past. It will not change the mindset of the gamblers.

Definitely, I will still put money here:

-prior betting, we don't know that the match is fixed
-if I have a reputable insider
-if I see that certain speculation about the fixed-match is close on happening

And besides, this fixed-match can't just be executed or done in a big-league easily. These leagues are regulated so for bettors, they are still playing with the chances just like the usual normal betting without the involvement of fixed-game.

I will still gamble I don't think players can do this stuff a match-fixing. Playing football is not about the money I was once in a sport in my school days winning is a very great feeling. But you can't remove the fact that the owner can do this kind of stuff just for money but I guess players will do what they always do, the will to win.

I won't also. Because if the match is rigged and you know the expected result, how can you enjoy the game while watching it? Unless, at the time of my betting, I badly needed money and I need an assurance that I will win that match. Otherwise, I won't. One more thing, most of the time you can't rely the authenticity of those tipsters.

As said above, fixed and rigged matches is not something new and many gamblers spend a lot of money on tipsters.
I won't do it if you ask me, even if the result is 100% guaranteed as it's against the hole purpose of gambling which is having fun and enjoying the adrenaline rush.
Not to mention that 99% of those tipsters are scammers.

Accidents is being part of being rigged? I dont really believe that much but its possible.Overall same as you said i dont really much care
into their reputation as long they do play well on a particular game.Outside matters is just their own business and these illegal acts
isnt really something new into this industry.So to answer if i would still gamble? Of course.

Ah this reminds me of the Calciopoli scandal but without narcotics trafficking. So damn insane...

IMO, if I don't have insiders, I would not bet there since they could rape uninformed bettors easily. It's like Manchester United this season lol. Jokes aside, better stay away if the accusations prove to be correct.

Match fixing of some games had been bringing the game especially football or soccer into disrupute some officials do collude with players to fix matches so as to favor an anonymous gambler to win big thus breaking the rules my stand is that those involved should be brought to book so as to serve as a deterrent to other culprits.
Fifa should throughly investigate the Greek football authorities involved in the alleged fixing and sanction them appropriately.

Money is a serious matter that should be taken extra care off with especially when engaging in gambling. Gamblers should always consider what could possibly happen after they take risks. The answer should be obvious as to why should people not entertain leagues with those kind of background as the possibility that a lose of money is guaranteed. People also should not involve with this kind of business so that the organizers of the said league will lose confidence and gambling participants that most probably make them stop what negative things they are doing. The outcome for this is still on the hands of the people to be responsible to the things they get into and support better leagues.

This very mindset to me is causing harm indirectly. Team owners in some leagues have proven that they an get away with anything, from match fixing to narco-traficking. Pumping money into betting that we know they can fix, is just earning them a bigger cut from their winnings based on their ability to fix results. The money is not maybe affecting the team's outlook, but ends up in the team owner's pocket to fund more criminal acts or launder some of their criminal earnings.

same here . i dont care with thier issues and that is not my problem anymore   . its fine as long as they play properly , what i only dont like to see is if there are accidental issues during the game that will affect my betting and worst is id loose the match   . cant imagine if that happens but i guess i will complain and file a report against them   .  so far , i dont experience simillar cases to this and i dont also know how op find those allegations  because what i only look for is the players stats and thier previous plays , not thier entire biography  .

I guess this is about fixing matches and other related sports corruption.
Well, it matter. I believe rules are made for good reasons. If people think the reason is no longer relevant, citizens should come together and agree on a new rule.
If such rules never had any good purpose (like what it's trying to prevent is harmless/good/safe), maybe was passed based on emotions, incorrect information or biases(afterall humans are not very good at being perfect), then you should still not go about encouraging people to break it.  Whether you experiment with it in secluded places, like your home, is upto you. If you truely believe it is harmless and/or good, then let the community know about your experiment, and understand it... They will then likely decide to change it  in a way that really safe for them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

The premise of match fixing is that there's money to be made on unsuspecting people and bookmakers.
The fewer people that know this, the easiest it is to profit greatly from it. In leagues without an avenue for players to report extortion and threats anonymously, this is very easy to be done. Just get thugs to blackmail the players, and matches can be easily fixed. Unfortunately, Greek league is like that and team owners are proven to be criminals. So it isn't unlikely that many of their matches are fixed by threatening unwilling players. Although, through the years, they might have found ways to make entire teams do it willingly even.

This is very interesting.
I guess  match fixing doesn't happen in all the small/unpopular leagues. Some small league matches i watched in the past looked really legit. If players were faking those moves (and emotions) then they were really good at faking them.

Skilled sports bettors (who rely on fair play) will likely not do well betting on fixed matches.

Correct me if i'm wrong but matches fixing usually can be identified after those matches itself and we can't know it early since the matches begin so technically people doesn't know when they bets for particular sports which is those matches fixing by some people or not and my personal opinion is yes i will still bets on the sports matches regularly so it will not change anything for me because the gamblers only bets and see after matches whether their bets results will won or lost

Actually things like this also happen in several leagues both proven and unproven.
Bettors certainly will not know about the fix match before the scandal is finally revealed.
I think that bettor will bet in leagues that have interesting matches to watch and usually leagues with scandals like this are unattractive matches and end up losing interest from bettors, but whatever it is if I have to choose I won't bet on a league that is proven to have a match-fixing.

We can't really determine if a certain match is a game-fixed or not so in here, we can't do anything if we already place our bet and just wait for the output. But for let's say, we do have legit sources that a certain game is fixed, I will not place a bet here at first and will observe what will happen the next matches.

Even the league does have a serious allegation, not all parties are involved there. Punish those involved and continue the league games.

Provided odds also plays a big role if ever I will consider placing a bet for suspected games that might be game-fixed. The idea of placing bets on those suspected fixed matches is not new anymore here in our country.

But if we look at this game-fixing in general, it rarely* happens on the global sports league. There are big punishments associated with this and I doubt most of the team owners, refs, the board of governors, players, etc. will risk their respective careers for that.

I'm also likely to stay away from this type of games unless I'm not really aware of it and it tends to be like that. But for those professional bettors that has been in this kind of setting, aware or not, they wouldn't mind about it. As long as they can continue with their plan, bet with each match, depends on the odds or base on their analysis, they'll just bet as is. I think that's the perspective of those bettors that are really experienced in sports betting.

I still would, especially if I know the game. Being a gambler playing sports betting, I learned that majority of the sports can be rig so I wouldn't just trust my analysis based on the stats, instead, I relied on my instinct but always consider that betting against the public is a good strategy as in fix games, the public usually lose.

I always knew there was something fishy about the Greece leagues. Most especially their super league. Some things just didn't felt right and I was correct. Knowing what I know now, I don't think I would be patronizing any Greece market any time soon. There's no point predicting match outcomes if the results have already been decided. About dual ownership, I think that's f**ked up. It will be a complete bs especially when both teams face each other. I'm stay clear of Greece markets henceforth.

This game was fixed some 15-16 years ago and I actually bet on it, knowing it was fixed:



See more here: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/panionios-athen_dinamo-tiflis/index/spielbericht/30747

It was fixed to HT/FT Tbilisi/Athens. I never looked for fixed matches, but it was mentioned in a betting forum I visited quite regularly at that time. Everyone and his grandmother jumped on the HT/FT bet and the odds were brought down to <10 and lots of bookmakers even suspended the markets for that game. I was lucky to find a bookmaker that wasn't aware and could still place the bet there with the initial odds before the drop; odds of 30.

Nope. Even though it's completely possible that other leagues also suffer from collusion and match fixing that isn't as openly discussed, it's probably done to a much lesser extent in other leagues and I'll gladly take my chances on those often larger leagues. I'm also completely uninterested in potentially acquiring insider information as well, so I wouldn't gamble on fixed matches at all even if I knew the probable outcome.

I will still continue to bet but I will try to lessen the amount of money that I will gamble.

To be fair though, there are a lot of sports that has been plague with accusations of collusions or manipulations, but still those league are still standing today.

In horse racing for example, horse owners, jockeys can collude with each other and see to it that a long shot horse win the race giving those bad actors behind tons of money. And if so happens that you have bet on the long shot horse, you will also be included in that windfall, just saying.

At the end of the day, we will still pick between 2 bets. Even with the involvement of game-fixing or not, we always have a chance to win. What the gamblers should think now is, what moves do these manipulators will go. This involves deep research where to find inside information.

Don't be worried too much to bet on game-fixed since they aren't controlling the sports bookies where we will place our bet.

On the other hand, stay away from betting directly with people associated with that league, that's suicide.

Getting these informations wont really be that easy.You wouldnt know if those you heard of would be legit ones or not.So its a matter of choice
if you do strive to bet on it or not.I agree that life does have risk and for you to earn something does really need for you to engage on.
Its not really surprising that people would still gamble no matter what issues do a certain league is involved one.

The only thing I pay attention to betting is to watch the sport I know and the teams I know. It is only for me that betting makes sense.

For this reason, I follow the league in my own country closely and I bet mostly in this league. I also follow the premier league and seria A. For this reason, the majority of the bets I make are matches in these leagues. Therefore, if you can still follow that league closely, I think a bet can be made.

But after this information, I think twice when I want to bet on this league matches.

Everyone has their own secrets, even those people who have big names in the industry, their secrets are hidden and well protected by people who have power to do so, so even though you know someone who will provide you such information, it will be filtered, because confidential information are always stay hidden, but it won't take long before the smoke came out of the room.

You won't see it coming, so, it is a trial and error process when it comes to gambling, even in life, we have to risk something to gain something, but not every time it will turns out good, most of the time it is what we are not expecting to be.

It depends on how "dirty" that league is based on my own view.

Generally speaking, we can't just say that a certain league is dirty even there are confirmed reports that practice like that happens. Maybe those were just an isolated case or a few cases once in 3 months for example. Any league does care for its reputation. They are being sponsored so any act of game-fixing is prohibited. If they will just allow this practice and people always see that, the revenue of their sales will drastically crash. Game manipulation might be happening but I don't believe it was part of every game. Players also care for their careers.

So if ever that league does have a history of manipulating games, but I want to bet, I don't see any wrong to do that. You will still choose to pick your bet. After that, just hope that you can take a ride to the result of game-fixing.

There has been some match fixing in Germany in the past, the last publicly covered one was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesliga_scandal_(2005)

Austria is known for match fixing as well. It happens all the time in football every day, but often times not 1X2 markets, but some side markets. It's correct, that bigger leagues are more immune to it, since it takes a lot of money to fix matches there and authorities are more alert.

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I don't care a  lot about matches being maybe fixed when considering to make a bet. Longterm it shouldn't matter, because when you are on the wrong side of the fix in one game, you will be on the correct side of the fix in the next. So longterm it should level out.

There is also this 3for3 theory, which is not a fix per se, but some agreement between mostly smaller teams. Each team will win their home match in the mutual matches and thus get the 3 points. Getting one sure win is better than getting only two points with 2 draws or losing one and drawing the other. It helps these smaller teams avoiding relegation. If one team is in dire need of points at the end of the season, they might be gifted the away win from their "friendly" team to avoid relegation. This way, these teams can still play in the same league and continue with that modus operandi.

Spotting these 3for3 matches is not that hard with some experience, but sometimes you might get trapped and the H2H just looks like a 3for3 by coincidence. Once you have spotted such two friendly teams, you can note these teams and just bet on home win twice per season, when these teams are scheduled to meet.

Odds would be shit and the chances of losing money is very high. I'd say I won't touch any of it unless I have some insider information on what's happening in-between matches. It's pretty hard trying to beat some people of their money who already knows the outcome of the games that would be played, and at that point it's better to just throw your money on dice and hope to win in the process. I've bet on a lot of fixed matches, and right before the line closes, the odds would sway hard on the one that I bet on, ending up on an almost no-profit bet for me..

It's best to stay away on these type of games unless you're an insider IMO.

^ Definitely yes, of course! It's just that you have to be aware of the possible collusion. It always happen, you just have to go with the flow of the said collusion. These agreements between rivals aren't new in the industry of sports. Because people on the higher end see sports as business, not totally sport. That's how life works. That's how oligarchy plays their game and fooling the herds by doing collusion. So they can take the money out of everyone's pocket. Nevertheless, if you will be aware and take advantage of the collusion, you might consider checking the oligarch's moves and get along with it. When they place a bet, try to place a bet on their chickens too. You will definitely see your advantage there.

league of my country suffers from the same problem. Unfortunately politics is involved in my country’s league, it’s my country’s politicians who decide which team will be champion and the reason is that my country is a country that has different cultures for each province and has many different languages for each province, what my country's political party does is to manipulate the league in a way that satisfies a particular province when they realize that people in that province are unhappy with the political party. I don’t bet in league of my country because of that

Gambling on a league which can be decided by other events apart from what happens on the field and the talent of the respective players is not a wise decision, imo.
I would rather bet on legitimate leagues where the rate of match-fixing is almost zero.
Another question is; should gambling websites showcase matches which has an allegation of any sort of collusion or illegality?

I assume the recent shooting of Darko Kovacevic is somehow related to the mentioned match-fixing group. Match fixing can happen anywhere and for various reasons. It doesn't have to be monetary reasons, like earning money from betting on fixed matches. Many matches are fixed all over the world because teams are helping each other out. It's common interest unfortunately. Systems like 3 for 3. We beat you at our venue and you beat us on yours. In case one of us needs points you let us win, and things like that. There is no illegal betting on these matches so nobody outside of the clubs know.

The way to protect yourself is to bet on matches in top leagues. You can never be 100% that matches are legit but at least players aren't bribed to fix the matches themselves.

This may happen in all the leagues but in most big European countries it doesn’t happen because they have strict laws.I have never heard a case like this in Germany or in Austria for example which are two of the most strict European countries regarding their laws.Apparently Greece is not like them,I have almost never bet in the Greece Superleague but now I will not bet for sure.If he does drugs he can also corrupt the referees or other high officials and corrupt one game result.

Recently, there was a very big spat in Greek football.
Two teams in the first league broke laws and were threatened with expulsion and downgrade from the highest league. The law forbid shared ownership of teams.
In response, the Greek parliament stepped in to pass an amendment, no longer forbidding shared ownership.

The Greek football league has been plagued with very serious allegations against the top team owners.
Evangelos Marinakis , owner of one of the most successful teams, Olympiakos, is accused of trafficking of narcotics. He is however, one of the biggest supporters of the party currently in government, and also owner of around a quarter of the country's media (including web, newspapers, radio and TV). A case of tons of heroin found in one of his ships has been stagnating in court. Prosecutors forced to take on the case resign one after the other, and witnesses have been killed under mysterious conditions, even after having started a life in other countries.

Of course, owners of most teams have received serious accusations of match fixing, but courts and committees somehow clear them. Moreover, there's no authority in Greece that can take into account anonymous accusations and witness protection in Greece has proved worthless.

My question is towards gamblers however. Would you gamble on a 'dirty' league?  Greek league comes under accusation of collusion, match fixing and team leaders using hooligans of teams for whatever thuggish purposes. Foreign leagues are becoming more popular among Greek gamblers for these reasons, but the majority still bet on Greek matches. Just makes me wonder.