I missed this post before I transacted with bitcoiner222...Totally my fault because the excitement of getting first drop of BTCBTCBTC and the small amount fiat.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtb-im-looking-for-2btc-paypal-gox-price-337484
I appreciated bitcoin222 left a positive feedback for me. However, I realized leaving feedback in either category without elaborating the fact will not reflect the nature of the matter and disservice to system and others who partially rely on it.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is timeline and (edited or redacted) communications from bitcoin222 via messages
Today at 00:50:45
(ask if I have other payment option as he claimed getting scammed over Paypal twice)
Today at 01:11:20
OK, we can give it a try via PayPal.
at 0.05~0.1
BTC at market rate (I picked 0.1)
Today at 01:20:59
My US-PayPal adress is xxxxxxxx [redacted]
After receiving the money I will exchange it as soon as possible (normally within 5-10 minutes).
The email address confirms bitcoiner22 is possibly a speaker of German. It is an un-verified address, I do not know whether it is US or not. The email is different, however name matches posted in the link above
Today at 01:36:46
Thanks for the payment!
Exchange currently, BTC should be in your wallet the next minutes.
Today at 01:45:24
(personal chat)
ADD: BTC are currently sending.
Today at 01:58:55
My account is now frozen again. Sad
Here is the text of PayPal:
PayPal is constantly working to ensure security by regularly screening accounts. Recently, we reviewed yours and noticed some atypical account activity. We need some clarification from you before we can remove the current limitations on your account. Until we receive this information, your access account features will be limited. Why is my account access limited? At PayPal, we have policies regarding abrupt or large shifts in business practices. Lately, we've noticed you’ve been accepting payments for goods and/or services that are a significant change from the items you sold previously. We need to better understand these changes and how they relate to your business. Please take action by xx/xx/20xx to prevent a disruption to your PayPal service. Your case ID is: PP-xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx How can I get my account access restored? Click Resolution Center and we'll display a list of tasks that you need to complete. After you complete all of the tasks, one of our Account Specialists will review your case. We will send you an email with the outcome of the review within 3 days.
Sorry, but then I can not sell you BTC.
Please use the chargeback function of PayPal to get your money back or contact costumer service, because I can't acess my account to refund.
I can only tell you: Never ever use PP as a payment method again. Read the threads in "Trading discussion" to know why.
Today at 02:52:39
After I receive your chargeback, I will of course accept it and refund your money if pp allows that (hopefully).
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www.BTC-Exchange.info............
(A few more posts after not directly related to the issue)[/i]
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There are more personal information exchanged during the communication and I have positive feeling throughout despite the negative outcome. My conclusion or educated guess is bitcoin222 is NOT a scammer. He is likely a young buck and/or 1) try to establish a bitcoin business 2) attempt to arbitrate price between exchange and private party transaction 3) Get flagged by Paypal due to OP of linked post and lead to the failure of this transaction 4) (UNlikely) unable to obtain positive spread and use Paypal as excuse to quit.
My transaction was made by credit card over Paypal. I've notified CC issuer for potential dispute and initiated the chargeback in Paypal AFTER bitcoin222 advised he was unable to deliver the bitcoin and ask me to do so. The total amount is $86. I never had chargeback with Paypal (10+ years) and no dispute with high spending CC, so I'm reasonably confident $86 would return regardless. No sleep lost, yet more excitement ahead
The unique culture and nature of bitcoin and its community brought a bit confusion and shock to me. I tried to think more prudently or negatively, but I can't as a person. I welcome and appreciate your suggestion or constructive criticism in participation and dealing of bitcoin.
Cheers...*Cindi32 appear in this thread as well. S/he may relate to bitcoin222, however, they are probably not same person based on use of vocabulary and style of writing, particularly obvious for multilingual person.*Paypal__________