Topic: wtf? I don't scammer (Read 418 times)

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Maybe just like many wonders why scam is not moderated on this forum? It is probably about giving everyone the freedom to do whatever they want, with the community then saying what they think about it through feedback and flags.

Isn't Benteke a true scammer? I was a huge fan when he played for Aston Villa, thought he was from another planet, then he was sold for 45-50million or something to Liverpool (my favorite team).... Then the scam started, no goals, bad playing, injured etc 

Maybe just like many wonders why scam is not moderated on this forum? It is probably about giving everyone the freedom to do whatever they want, with the community then saying what they think about it through feedback and flags. As for the new thread, believe me there have been a lot of such discussions over the years - I honestly don’t think ordinary members like you and me can change anything here - and it’s more than obvious that decision makers think no change is needed.

Why is it even considered a gray zone? I honestly don't know what good can come out of those transactions. Am I being too blind/narrow sighted? I would really love to have a moderator comment on this matter mainly due to the fact that, for me, there are numerous negative points of view:

This is also something that it is not clear to me. There's a saying in my country that's something along the lines of - You are a thief when you steal something but you're also one if you're still watching over someone who is stealing. Do you think we should open a separate thread for this discussion @Lucius? Perhaps there's really something that we are not seeing in this subject because whether we like it or not, this has been in the so called "gray zone" since 2015 ...

I have been wondering the same thing since I registered on this forum, and I must admit that it is not yet completely clear to me why such activities are not completely banned. What should be emphasized is that buying/selling BTT accounts was completely legal until 2015 (let someone correct me if I'm wrong), and only then did it become something that was pushed into the gray zone.

I agree that the current situation around buying/selling BTT accounts does not send a good message to all those who come to this forum for the first time - because it all comes down to how well someone can perform the whole operation and become a Hero or Legendary overnight. For me, buying such an account is almost identical to plagiarism - because the new owner actually takes over all the content of the old owner and presents it as his work. Someone will say with the consent of the previous owner, but this is definitely not ethically correct with everything else that comes from such purchases.

What surprises me even more is that those who sell BTT accounts or buy them are rewarded with negative feedback, while some reputable members who participate in such agreements as escrow do not bear any responsibility - at least a very strange attitude of those who lead the main word in DT. If they want to discourage this kind of trade, then everyone involved in it is equally guilty and should bear equal responsibility.

In this case, the user may have not kept up to date with new features, such as newbie warning message.

Such spammers scammers actually understand about the forum as they need to escape detection or bans.

Maybe the account came from a spammer and he doesn't even know anything about what's going on on this forum.

He knows enough about this forum. 3 years ago he had a Sr.member account for sale (and sold it), so he is certainly experienced and knows how things work here. that's why it's interesting why he was bothered by the care right now because of neg. tag after 3 years. and why he cares about the Newbie account.

Isn't Benteke a true scammer? I was a huge fan when he played for Aston Villa, thought he was from another planet, then he was sold for 45-50million or something to Liverpool (my favorite team).... Then the scam started, no goals, bad playing, injured etc 

This has been something that I've been thinking for a while now - I've been reporting some threads were clearly it goes against the rules such as selling of Revolut accounts and such but whenever I encounter a thread that's clearly selling bitcointalk accounts the first thing that comes to my mind is why is this even allowed / why are the rules so "open to interpretation" that such "business" can be started.

...I just dont' think that it's good for the forum to have this economy being promoted right here in our own "home". Perhaps we do let it happen here so that we have a closed control and perhaps we could trace what accounts where bought and terminate them?

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You know nothing about this forum and obviously don't give a shit about it--and normally I would review a feedback like the one I gave you a few years ago and remove or modify it if the member has shown evidence that he's changed his ways, but that's not the case with you.

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Thing is, if most "bought" accounts end up with this kind of activity, why don't we just ban them of happening here? I know we can't ban them from being sold in other places of the internet, I just dont' think that it's good for the forum to have this economy being promoted right here in our own "home". Perhaps we do let it happen here so that we have a closed control and perhaps we could trace what accounts where bought and terminate them? A kind of "squad" that personifies potential buyers just to grab the account name and give them to mods so that they can ban / cancel it (This is actually giving me some ideas  ?

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Leaving negs for account sellers/buyers is legitimate, even if neither of those things are against the rules--I specifically asked Theymos about that a while back.

Trading accounts will often to lead people to scam, while merit abuse doesn't seem to pose the same risk (from what I've seen.)  It might be a long and convoluted road, but it starts with the reasoning behind an individual wanting to buy an account in the first place.  Some want to buy an account because they are planning a scam, and want a trusted account.  I think these are probably the exception, not the rule. 

Why do most people want buy an account when it's free to build your own?  Most of the time it's because they see the potential to earn money here on the forum, and want to cash in on that potential.  If we scrutinize many of those who are tempted to buy an account we will probably see that they are incapable of developing a profitable account on their own.  Doing so requires writing skills, patience, and a significant amount of concern for the forum (or the ability to feign concern.)  Those who come here to cash in are not likely to care about the forum, and most lack patience.

Once they find themselves having purchased an account, and possibly paying a high price for the "right" account, now what?  They must still demonstrate the writing skills and involvement to qualify for a well paying signature job.  Many will find that the account that cost them a lot of money is only part of the equation, a small part.  Writing skills, patience, and concern for the community are still required to keep the account profitable.

Once they've come to that conclusion, their frustration with the inability to earn will likely lead them to attempt a scam.  I have had people with high ranking accounts ask me for a loans, and upon scrutiny I came to the suspicion that the accounts were likely purchased, the owner was unable to profit with the account, and now is looking for a "loan" (exit scam) to compensate him for the loss of purchasing the account in the first place.

These people would be better served learning how to develop an account on their own.  If they finally come to the conclusion that they are unable to do so, they have not suffered any monetary loss, and will not likely fall into the temptation to scam anyone.  Even if they do, they will not be in a position that would garner trust.

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