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Quote from: shibaji on May 01, 2013, 06:29:26 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 01, 2013, 05:42:57 AM

What i dont like in this subforum is that there is no stickythread at all that would give some security to bidders and auctioners. Some basic rules that have to be followed.
Something like that should be created.

That is hard to do, and such rule set should also include what is legitimate auction item, and what is not allowed - like auctioning volatile items (read cryptocurrencies).

Why is this hard to do?

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Quote from: SebastianJu on May 01, 2013, 05:42:57 AM

What i dont like in this subforum is that there is no stickythread at all that would give some security to bidders and auctioners. Some basic rules that have to be followed.
Something like that should be created.

That is hard to do, and such rule set should also include what is legitimate auction item, and what is not allowed - like auctioning volatile items (read cryptocurrencies).

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Quote from: Rampion on May 01, 2013, 05:39:30 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 01, 2013, 05:24:04 AM

Quote from: shibaji on April 30, 2013, 11:19:09 PM

A scammer tag for not selling it item in auction, instead selling it to highest payer ? LOL

1. Don't dilute the tag. There are bigger criminals around here who have more legitimate right to that tag.
2. Welcome to real world. Things get sold for highest price, and buyer chooses what to buy - that's about it. Don't like it ? Better luck next time. Really really want it ? Trump the offer. I see that tempt already said he will honor over 96 btc, right ? Go for it.

No one is going to take a loss for "honoring the code" in an internet forum where greed and lie galore.

And why are you sure that there is such an offer via pm and its no shill bidding? Or that the seller doesnt think the price is too low to sell it for this price now?
Anyway... the playingfield was set beforehand. This forum is made to not be able to scam by not being allowed to edit posts with bids. Bidding via pm is undergoing this. And its unfair to other bidders that doesnt even know that there was such offer or if there is such offer in reality.
Im not sure about the scammer tag because no one said before that handling it this way will be a scam. But there should be a rule that this isnt allowed and bids via pm are worthless.

Yeah, but what happens when an auctioneer does not honor the winner, like in this case? And what a bidder refuses to pay? Maybe a scammer tag is not appropriate, but a blacklist to the auction subforum should be enforced IMO

What i dont like in this subforum is that there is no stickythread at all that would give some security to bidders and auctioners. Some basic rules that have to be followed.
Something like that should be created.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on May 01, 2013, 05:24:04 AM

Quote from: shibaji on April 30, 2013, 11:19:09 PM

A scammer tag for not selling it item in auction, instead selling it to highest payer ? LOL

1. Don't dilute the tag. There are bigger criminals around here who have more legitimate right to that tag.
2. Welcome to real world. Things get sold for highest price, and buyer chooses what to buy - that's about it. Don't like it ? Better luck next time. Really really want it ? Trump the offer. I see that tempt already said he will honor over 96 btc, right ? Go for it.

No one is going to take a loss for "honoring the code" in an internet forum where greed and lie galore.

And why are you sure that there is such an offer via pm and its no shill bidding? Or that the seller doesnt think the price is too low to sell it for this price now?
Anyway... the playingfield was set beforehand. This forum is made to not be able to scam by not being allowed to edit posts with bids. Bidding via pm is undergoing this. And its unfair to other bidders that doesnt even know that there was such offer or if there is such offer in reality.
Im not sure about the scammer tag because no one said before that handling it this way will be a scam. But there should be a rule that this isnt allowed and bids via pm are worthless.

Yeah, but what happens when an auctioneer does not honor the winner, like in this case? And what a bidder refuses to pay? Maybe a scammer tag is not appropriate, but a blacklist to the auction subforum should be enforced IMO

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Quote from: shibaji on April 30, 2013, 11:19:09 PM

A scammer tag for not selling it item in auction, instead selling it to highest payer ? LOL

1. Don't dilute the tag. There are bigger criminals around here who have more legitimate right to that tag.
2. Welcome to real world. Things get sold for highest price, and buyer chooses what to buy - that's about it. Don't like it ? Better luck next time. Really really want it ? Trump the offer. I see that tempt already said he will honor over 96 btc, right ? Go for it.

No one is going to take a loss for "honoring the code" in an internet forum where greed and lie galore.

And why are you sure that there is such an offer via pm and its no shill bidding? Or that the seller doesnt think the price is too low to sell it for this price now?
Anyway... the playingfield was set beforehand. This forum is made to not be able to scam by not being allowed to edit posts with bids. Bidding via pm is undergoing this. And its unfair to other bidders that doesnt even know that there was such offer or if there is such offer in reality.
Im not sure about the scammer tag because no one said before that handling it this way will be a scam. But there should be a rule that this isnt allowed and bids via pm are worthless.

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A scammer tag for not selling it item in auction, instead selling it to highest payer ? LOL

1. Don't dilute the tag. There are bigger criminals around here who have more legitimate right to that tag.
2. Welcome to real world. Things get sold for highest price, and buyer chooses what to buy - that's about it. Don't like it ? Better luck next time. Really really want it ? Trump the offer. I see that tempt already said he will honor over 96 btc, right ? Go for it.

No one is going to take a loss for "honoring the code" in an internet forum where greed and lie galore.

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I'm a bit new here, so my posts don't show myself to be dedicated. But I am dedicated in how I handle affairs and have plenty of references as well as a willingness to meet any "wierdo" from the internet. Scammers are few and far apart but have a way of being noticed.

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Second the tag request.

I've had a bad experience of this nature myself when trying to bid on an auction here, only to have the item sold out from under me by some PM offer:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1891324

If nothing is done when this happens, it diminishes the value of having auctions on the forums.

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Is there a common path where I can prove my own legitimacy?

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Cool. Really?

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Quote from: jordaninthesky on April 30, 2013, 10:08:13 PM

how do i locate a scammer tag?

it would be added next to their user name for everyone to see.

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how do i locate a scammer tag?

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Quote from: slakeco on April 30, 2013, 05:03:57 PM

Quote from: cycloid on April 30, 2013, 11:44:01 AM

I do believe "Scammer" tag is in order here. Undecided

Yes, please! This really put a sour taste in my mouth for BCT's auctions. I think based on the OP and the auction end time, I should have won both units. Perhaps, I was some grief in the end, by not having my bid honored...

Yes, I think this is not the first time OP does this - correct?

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Quote from: cycloid on April 30, 2013, 11:44:01 AM

I do believe "Scammer" tag is in order here. Undecided

Yes, please! This really put a sour taste in my mouth for BCT's auctions. I think based on the OP and the auction end time, I should have won both units. Perhaps, I was some grief in the end, by not having my bid honored...

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I do believe "Scammer" tag is in order here. Undecided

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Quote from: SebastianJu on April 30, 2013, 06:06:05 AM

Are there official rules for auctions in this thread? I didnt found a sticky about this.

Anyway... bidding via pm corrupts the whole purpose of this subforum. The bids placed in thread are binding, they cant be edited. A bid via pm doesnt exist. The auctioner could claim there are higher bids and no bidder could prove. This way shill bidding would become possible. Plus no other bidded can react on an offer placed by pm, because he dont know that its there.

In my opinion the playing field was set and cant be changed afterwards because someone thinks he found a trick to outbid every other bidder without risk of being outbid.

Maybe mods should say something about.

+10000000

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Quote from: Rampion on April 28, 2013, 02:38:08 PM

It's outrageous when somebody starts an auction and then sells the goods via PM. If you start an auction you have to honor its winner (and if you bid you have to honor your bid), otherwise all this is a joke. I think a scammer tag would be appropriate.

Agreed.

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Are there official rules for auctions in this thread? I didnt found a sticky about this.

Anyway... bidding via pm corrupts the whole purpose of this subforum. The bids placed in thread are binding, they cant be edited. A bid via pm doesnt exist. The auctioner could claim there are higher bids and no bidder could prove. This way shill bidding would become possible. Plus no other bidded can react on an offer placed by pm, because he dont know that its there.

In my opinion the playing field was set and cant be changed afterwards because someone thinks he found a trick to outbid every other bidder without risk of being outbid.

Maybe mods should say something about.

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I was under impression that pm sales during auction was against the rules ? Undecided

grue

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Quote from: Hiroaki on April 28, 2013, 08:44:50 PM

Simple Question:
I asked if "Accumulate got the Avalon outside the auction ?

sorry, the phrasing of your sentence caused my parsing to fail Sad

as to your question, according to forum time, it's candoo or slakeco.

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Simple Question:
I asked if "Accumulate got the Avalon outside the auction ?

grue

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Quote from: Hiroaki on April 28, 2013, 05:57:46 PM

So Accumulate acquired it via pm? Huh

no one has any idea what you're saying. get a HUMAN to translate for you.

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So Accumulate acquired it via pm? Huh

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Quote from: Rampion on April 28, 2013, 02:38:08 PM

It's outrageous when somebody starts an auction and then sells the goods via PM. If you start an auction you have to honor its winner (and if you bid you have to honor your bid), otherwise all this is a joke. I think a scammer tag would be appropriate.

+1

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It's outrageous when somebody starts an auction and then sells the goods via PM. If you start an auction you have to honor its winner (and if you bid you have to honor your bid), otherwise all this is a joke. I think a scammer tag would be appropriate.

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Did Accumulate get it finally for 88 BTC?

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83btc x 2

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Quote from: qwk on April 26, 2013, 04:10:21 PM

Quote from: slakeco on April 26, 2013, 03:59:55 PM

2 @ 87

Seriously, this is the last bid that can unmistakenly be regarded as "in time".

How is this not accurate? Weren't we all going based on the timer in the OP?

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Quote from: candoo on April 26, 2013, 04:20:29 PM

Quote from: tempt on April 26, 2013, 09:09:31 PM

sorry, I've made a deal about 96btc and if your not considerably over it I dismiss your offer

huh? received that via PN

great now we are in dark closed door deal world no wonder my bid was dismissed

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Quote from: s_stylez on April 26, 2013, 04:26:50 PM

If we are going by op's end of auction post it should be candoo 90 @1 and uxt 91 @1
as per ops official post for end of aucroon

*yxt
*auction

terrible typos

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+1

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If we are going by op's end of auction post it should be candoo 90 @1 and uxt 91 @1
as per ops official post for end of aucroon

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Quote from: tempt on April 26, 2013, 09:09:31 PM

sorry, I've made a deal about 96btc and if your not considerably over it I dismiss your offer

huh? received that via PN

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*indisputable no undesirable

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You've got an "sorry no valid bid" answer.
It was enough time for a real bid
Sorry but the is ridiculous

In the entrance post was clearly xx @
not xx-xx @

@candoo
and how will you find out how much the forum lags exactly?
also retroactively at the time
Everything other than the time stamp does not make sense

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Quote from: tempt on April 26, 2013, 04:00:30 PM

END OF AUCTION

BEFORE the end of Auction my highest offer was BTC92 X1
The only reason to disregard it would be that rules assumed a 1btc increments with no jumps in which case lets go back to the bid which followed those rules and let them win.
BUt if there were no rules of such then why is it not clear that I BID 79-92 Meaning 92 is my highest bid at undesirable time of the auction WELL before the end.,

Angry

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Quote from: Accumulate on April 26, 2013, 04:00:01 PM

88@2

Given the circumstances of a small lag (I've checked http://www.uhrzeit.org/atomuhr.php) I'll have to announce accumulate is the winner. I know some may be upset, but I've talked to him and we've come to an agreement.

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We've already been hitting 97 Grin

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well weather it sux or doesn't is hardly the point I made it CLEAR I am prepaired to match any offer up to 92 which I DID. What seems to be the problem and why no one else went higher?

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@ cycloid

Quote from: tempt on April 26, 2013, 04:06:37 AM

Quote from: greyhaze on April 26, 2013, 03:34:56 AM

This is an auction ,
That's not a real bid!
Put a final price not a range lol
79btc x 2

True. Latest accepted price is 79BTC @ 2

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Quote from: qwk on April 26, 2013, 04:10:21 PM

Quote from: slakeco on April 26, 2013, 03:59:55 PM

2 @ 87

Seriously, this is the last bid that can unmistakenly be regarded as "in time".

Nah - check the forum time and then go to google and ask for them time, the forum is a bit laggy

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Quote from: cycloid on April 26, 2013, 04:09:25 PM

Quote from: candoo on April 26, 2013, 04:06:40 PM

Quote from: candoo on April 26, 2013, 04:00:42 PM

92@2

I double checked all the given facts and provided information.

The last valid bid is mine.

79-92 means I am prepared to by 92 so why did people even try to go lower after that is beyond me... the only guess of mine was you had a rule about going by 1btc increments till the end so I jumped in however since it was broken at the end my first offer is validated and becomes the highest bid before the clock ran out. Also we were going by the count down clock not forum time so please lets all be far and you and I take 1 machine each as our bets were close.

No you cant just say I bid x-x that sucks.

So its like I would say 1-500 and I would get the unit 5 minutes after the auction started

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Quote from: slakeco on April 26, 2013, 03:59:55 PM

2 @ 87

Seriously, this is the last bid that can unmistakenly be regarded as "in time".

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Quote from: candoo on April 26, 2013, 04:06:40 PM

Quote from: candoo on April 26, 2013, 04:00:42 PM

92@2

I double checked all the given facts and provided information.

The last valid bid is mine.

79-92 means I am prepared to by 92 so why did people even try to go lower after that is beyond me... the only guess of mine was you had a rule about going by 1btc increments till the end so I jumped in however since it was broken at the end my first offer is validated and becomes the highest bid before the clock ran out. Also we were going by the count down clock not forum time so please lets all be far and you and I take 1 machine each as our bets were close.

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95@2

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Quote from: s_stylez on April 26, 2013, 04:07:12 PM

97@ as blackberry lagged

you wanna let him mine 3 years to get profit?

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Quote from: yxt on April 26, 2013, 04:05:02 PM

@qwk
lol only 3.26 too late

Auctions aren't fun on an ipad Grin

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97@ as blackberry lagged

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Quote from: candoo on April 26, 2013, 04:00:42 PM

92@2

I double checked all the given facts and provided information.

The last valid bid is mine.

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Quote from: cycloid on April 26, 2013, 04:04:45 PM

Quote from: cycloid on April 26, 2013, 02:15:24 AM

1 X BTC79 - 92 ( my range) Tongue

Well since people ended up breaking the 1btc increment rule at the end, that means my above post was in the time frame of the actual auction and the highest bit for a single Unit @ 91btc. Please contact me for how you want to go about completing the order for single unit.

Grin

*corrction 92 was the highest bid before the end :L)

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as far as i know the auction ended Today at 09:00:44 PM

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@qwk
lol only 3.26 too late

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Quote from: cycloid on April 26, 2013, 02:15:24 AM

1 X BTC79 - 92 ( my range) Tongue

Well since people ended up breaking the 1btc increment rule at the end, that means my above post was in the time frame of the actual auction and the highest bit for a single Unit @ 91btc. Please contact me for how you want to go about completing the order for single unit.

Grin

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Quote from: candoo on April 26, 2013, 04:01:36 PM

no forum time is a bit laggy add +50 seconds~~

Let me check this

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Quote from: qwk on April 26, 2013, 04:03:26 PM

95@2 but just because my ipad lagged Angry

96@2 yeah forum is quite laggy today

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95@2 but just because my ipad lagged Angry

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94@2

its up to op

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Quote from: candoo on April 26, 2013, 04:01:36 PM

no forum time is a bit laggy add +50 seconds~~

idk about that. I guess it's up to OP.

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no forum time is a bit laggy add +50 seconds~~

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93@1

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auction ended at 9:00:00 exactly right?

Thus my bids are the final bid, and winner?

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92@2

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END OF AUCTION

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89X2

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91 @ 1

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90@2

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88X2

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88@2

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2 @ 87

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86@2

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84@2

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85@1

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83@2

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Current highest bids:
82@1
82@1

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82@1

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82@1

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81@2

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BTC80 X 2

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Quote from: greyhaze on April 26, 2013, 03:34:56 AM

This is an auction ,
That's not a real bid!
Put a final price not a range lol
79btc x 2

True. Latest accepted price is 79BTC @ 2

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This is an auction ,
That's not a real bid!
Put a final price not a range lol
79btc x 2

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1 X BTC79 - 92 ( my range) Tongue

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Quote from: slakeco on April 23, 2013, 07:28:20 PM

These are 3 module Avalon units, I take it?

Yes, 3 module units.

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Away on an extended break

Quote from: Vezunchik on April 23, 2013, 07:45:15 PM

You have used www.onnit.com timer module like myself. Friedcat made a good promotion for this site. Grin

=P It's actually started by Matthew. I added the timer module at Friedcat's auction.

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bitcoin is an expression of freedom.

You have used www.onnit.com timer module like myself. Friedcat made a good promotion for this site. Grin

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These are 3 module Avalon units, I take it?

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Quote from: alwind on April 23, 2013, 03:36:43 AM

Quote from: tempt on April 23, 2013, 02:25:11 AM

bump

3 days is a lot of time left Tongue

Yep. OP knows very well what the last seconds of an auction may mean.
Also, that there's a limit stopping you from making too many bids in a short timeframe Grin

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Quote from: tempt on April 23, 2013, 02:25:11 AM

bump

3 days is a lot of time left Tongue

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bump

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Quote from: kgo on April 21, 2013, 06:56:46 PM

have they shipped yet? Would it be possible just to get Avalon to ship directly to the winner?

No, it is not possible. But we will do Escrow with John K.

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2x77btc

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have they shipped yet? Would it be possible just to get Avalon to ship directly to the winner?

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2 @ 76

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75btc

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Hi,

I offer my 2 Batch 3 orders from avalon.

The minimum Offer is 75BTC for each avalon.

The unit is going to be shipped to Germany.

You either bid XXBTC @ 1 or @ 2.

Timer removed. End time: 2013-04-26+16:00:00

Pictures of order will be shown via PM (I've posted them in last threads, but due to fear of DHL interception I do not post them public anymore)

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