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Topic: [WTS] Bitcoin Mining Gear (Approx ~30TH/s) (Read 3213 times)

legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Still have some S2's and S3's to sell all reasonable offers considered ship to US only or local pickup in NY
legendary
Activity: 1167
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I also have a bunch of EVGA Power Supplies I can work out a deal if someone is looking to buy the S3's with power supplies so they are ready to go. I run 3 X S3's per 1 X EVGA 1300G2 Power Supply
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
1.1 BTC shipped per S2
0.45 BTC shipped per S3

Better pricing on bulk buy
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Remaining Inventory for sale:

6 X Antminer S2's
10 x Antminer S3's

All reasonable offers considered. PM me your inquiry

legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Mine was worse all the cards got jammed around and lost a bunch of resistors, the backplane was damaged so it was unusable after testing all 10 cards i think 2 were working out of 10
legendary
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
Anyone interested in the remaining hardware
6 X Antminer S2's
8 X Antminer S3/S3+ Units all tested and run solid at 500GH

How much for an S2, shipped?

AS you know those guys are heavy and I have shipped before and very often they get damaged by UPS even using the original boxes can you give me zip code if its within and 8 hour drive I am willing to drive to deliver if you want to take all 6 or we can meet someplace in the middle I prefer that or to ship them via Freight on a skid to avoid UPS tossing them around if you know what i mean

Are you just looking for 1?

I've never had problems with an S2 being destroyed by UPS. I've used them before and not had issue.

What are you looking for different quantities? For example, do you give a discount if someone purchases 6?

FedEx wrecked one of mine.  Luckily I was able to bend it back into shape and the electronics were ok.
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Anyone interested in the remaining hardware
6 X Antminer S2's
8 X Antminer S3/S3+ Units all tested and run solid at 500GH

How much for an S2, shipped?

AS you know those guys are heavy and I have shipped before and very often they get damaged by UPS even using the original boxes can you give me zip code if its within and 8 hour drive I am willing to drive to deliver if you want to take all 6 or we can meet someplace in the middle I prefer that or to ship them via Freight on a skid to avoid UPS tossing them around if you know what i mean

Are you just looking for 1?

I've never had problems with an S2 being destroyed by UPS. I've used them before and not had issue.

What are you looking for different quantities? For example, do you give a discount if someone purchases 6?

I just prefer to deal with only a few reputable members of the community so yes a buyer interested in 6 with a reasonable offer would outweigh a higher offer from a buyer interested in 1-2 pieces. I just sold (4) Neptunes + (2) SP20's to one buyer

as for UPS I had one Sold Destroyed and one purchased also damaged on its way to me they also Claim the manufacturers box is not 3 ply cardboard and fought me on an insurance claim. I said 3 ply cardboard does not protect a Computer from being dropped and causing internal damage I am still fighting that claim with them
legendary
Activity: 1628
Merit: 1012
Anyone interested in the remaining hardware
6 X Antminer S2's
8 X Antminer S3/S3+ Units all tested and run solid at 500GH

How much for an S2, shipped?

AS you know those guys are heavy and I have shipped before and very often they get damaged by UPS even using the original boxes can you give me zip code if its within and 8 hour drive I am willing to drive to deliver if you want to take all 6 or we can meet someplace in the middle I prefer that or to ship them via Freight on a skid to avoid UPS tossing them around if you know what i mean

Are you just looking for 1?

I've never had problems with an S2 being destroyed by UPS. I've used them before and not had issue.

What are you looking for different quantities? For example, do you give a discount if someone purchases 6?
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Anyone interested in the remaining hardware
6 X Antminer S2's
8 X Antminer S3/S3+ Units all tested and run solid at 500GH

How much for an S2, shipped?

AS you know those guys are heavy and I have shipped before and very often they get damaged by UPS even using the original boxes can you give me zip code if its within and 8 hour drive I am willing to drive to deliver if you want to take all 6 or we can meet someplace in the middle I prefer that or to ship them via Freight on a skid to avoid UPS tossing them around if you know what i mean

Are you just looking for 1?
legendary
Activity: 1628
Merit: 1012
Anyone interested in the remaining hardware
6 X Antminer S2's
8 X Antminer S3/S3+ Units all tested and run solid at 500GH

How much for an S2, shipped?
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Anyone interested in the remaining hardware
6 X Antminer S2's
8 X Antminer S3/S3+ Units all tested and run solid at 500GH
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Sorry, didn't see the compromise post.  Go ahead and sell to others. I'm pretty stuck on my $ numbers and btc seems to be having an up tick right now.

Ok Will move forward with other opportunities and yes today i see upward movement good for all Smiley

Last up on the block are the S3 & S3+'s Asking 0.42BTC each buyer pays shipping if you buy them all ill cover shipping. All have latest FW and have all been tested to OC to 500GH with minimal increase in HW errors I had ordered hundreds of theses and tested everyone these are all cherry picked to be the best of the over 100 I had and sold
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
Sorry, didn't see the compromise post.  Go ahead and sell to others. I'm pretty stuck on my $ numbers and btc seems to be having an up tick right now.
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Let me know soon I have other offers coming in I prefer to sell to reputable members of the community and obviously those interested in taking larger amounts at a time
legendary
Activity: 1167
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nah, I'm still stuck on the $390 & $650 shipped prices.  I'd contact Ognasty to do escrow if you accept.  Looks like you might be able to sell individually for more from some of the folks on the thread.

I cant shipping alone is going to cost me $200 i Think the price for the miners is fair but unless your buying the whole lot i cant include shipping at that price

Alright, no problem.  BOL with your sale.

How about some level of compromise meet me in the middle 9.4BTC you know your buying from a reputable member of the forum?
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
nah, I'm still stuck on the $390 & $650 shipped prices.  I'd contact Ognasty to do escrow if you accept.  Looks like you might be able to sell individually for more from some of the folks on the thread.

I cant shipping alone is going to cost me $200 i Think the price for the miners is fair but unless your buying the whole lot i cant include shipping at that price

Alright, no problem.  BOL with your sale.
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
nah, I'm still stuck on the $390 & $650 shipped prices.  I'd contact Ognasty to do escrow if you accept.  Looks like you might be able to sell individually for more from some of the folks on the thread.

I cant shipping alone is going to cost me $200 i Think the price for the miners is fair but unless your buying the whole lot i cant include shipping at that price
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
nah, I'm still stuck on the $390 & $650 shipped prices.  I'd contact Ognasty to do escrow if you accept.  Looks like you might be able to sell individually for more from some of the folks on the thread.
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
So looking at the pics, how about 9 btc for the 2 Sp20s and 2 Neptunes shipped to 65202.  Coinbase btc = $225.50 currently.

9.8 BTC i pay UPS ground shipping (Insured) for 2 Neptunes and 2 SP20's and its sold to you sir Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
I have a total of 4 Neptunes do you only want the 2 I pictured? i now have another interested party for the SP20's I am looking to try and sell to as few people as possible
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
So looking at the pics, how about 9 btc for the 2 Sp20s and 2 Neptunes shipped to 65202.  Coinbase btc = $225.50 currently.
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1080
I would accept that but not with me covering shipping if you send me shipping labels they are yours

Alright then how about I PM you my zip code and you can calculate shipping costs and if it's worth it I'll pay for the shipping.

legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
yes but there are 2-3 dies in the bunch that do occasionally shut down and turn back on, none are totally dead I also have it undervolted so you may have different results I can document each cube and setting for you I also have that extra cube to make up for the occasional dies that dont stay on

Yeah, shoot up some pics of the settings.  What are you getting TH wise undervolted with the 4+1?  Heading off to bed, I'll take a look at them when I get to the office in the morning.

Here are screen grabs of the first 2 I have access to right now the first machine has 2 dies that flicker on and off at this config. The 6 Cube machine runs over 4TH all the time




legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
I would accept that but not with me covering shipping if you send me shipping labels they are yours
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1080
How much you want for those 2 SP20s?


3.6BTC Still have original Boxes only a few months old did a large order of them I kept 2 for myself

I can offer 3.30 btc shipped to Toronto, Ontario.

legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
yes but there are 2-3 dies in the bunch that do occasionally shut down and turn back on, none are totally dead I also have it undervolted so you may have different results I can document each cube and setting for you I also have that extra cube to make up for the occasional dies that dont stay on

Yeah, shoot up some pics of the settings.  What are you getting TH wise undervolted with the 4+1?  Heading off to bed, I'll take a look at them when I get to the office in the morning.
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
yes but there are 2-3 dies in the bunch that do occasionally shut down and turn back on, none are totally dead I also have it undervolted so you may have different results I can document each cube and setting for you I also have that extra cube to make up for the occasional dies that dont stay on
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
Is this commercial? can we ship via Freight? And all 4 Neptunes + 1 Extra Cube, and 2 SP20's? 15.6BTC?

Yes it's a commercial address.  Do all of the dies on the cubes run at stock settings?
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Is this commercial? can we ship via Freight? And all 4 Neptunes + 1 Extra Cube, and 2 SP20's? 15.6BTC?
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
whats your ship to? I can work with that

65202
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
whats your ship to? I can work with that
legendary
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1001
SP20s $390 each shipped.  Neptunes $650 each shipped.
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Lets start with what you believe fair market FIAT value is for the individual items and we can work to a Decision obviously shipping is going to be killer I am willing to deliver within a reasonable driving distance if the deal is fair. Obviously there is a difference between ebay and a forum I dont expect the same value but I am also trying to take into account that BTC is low which is the motivating factor in making the sell. Have to make room for new inventory is the other Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
https://www.bitworks.io
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitMarket/comments/32ndtp/wts_btc_miners/

Is this a completely separate deal and you just happen to have ~50 TH locally between your friend and yourself?

Its the same deal. I am negotiable on the price but 30BTC is to low unles sbuyer wants to do local pickup then id consider it

Current fair market value of all the individual hardware is close to $9,000

If you are using ebay as the basis for pricing slice off 15% for fees, also consider that fiat is the primary payment mechanism in that case providing ready access to credit for buyers...

In any case given all of the back and forth on different pieces of hardware please cut to the chase and provide me a price for all of the Neptunes, and SP20s.. I am in the US, a few hundred miles away, FedEx Home Delivery is very inexpensive..
full member
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No one is interested in any of this?

too over priced tbh https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sold-1023303

s4 sold for 1.9btc you charged 4.5 for two with pickup so cudos to you on that one but ebay prices are not a general thing here?
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1000
offer .5BTC ea. for all six S2's.  no shipping I will pick up.

Counter offer 1BTC each for all six

I can't ever pay for them at that price. 

BOL though.

ig

No counter offer on something in between? .5BTC is pretty low considering the machines sell for $300-$350 USD I am open to a counter offer but $110 is a pretty low ball offer

They are selling for under $200 on ebay.  The BIN ads are nonsense...the open auctions are the only ones getting any action and it's all below $200
The shipping is a real killer for these.  Anyone not able to pick them up has to mine almost a full month JUST to pay for the shipping, which significantly limits the pool of potential buyers.

I definitely feel your pain but all I can do is make an offer that is +EV for me.

ig
legendary
Activity: 1167
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How much you want for those 2 SP20s?


3.6BTC Still have original Boxes only a few months old did a large order of them I kept 2 for myself
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1080
How much you want for those 2 SP20s?
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
offer .5BTC ea. for all six S2's.  no shipping I will pick up.

Counter offer 1BTC each for all six

I can't ever pay for them at that price. 

BOL though.

ig

No counter offer on something in between? .5BTC is pretty low considering the machines sell for $300-$350 USD I am open to a counter offer but $110 is a pretty low ball offer
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1000
offer .5BTC ea. for all six S2's.  no shipping I will pick up.

Counter offer 1BTC each for all six

I can't ever pay for them at that price. 

BOL though.

ig
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Just an Update Sold Qty 2 Antminer S4's Today Local pickup for  4.5BTC

All reasonable offers considered higher discounts for larger order
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
offer .5BTC ea. for all six S2's.  no shipping I will pick up.

Counter offer 1BTC each for all six
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1000
offer .5BTC ea. for all six S2's.  no shipping I will pick up.
legendary
Activity: 1167
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Yeah, why are there 2 people involved?


"Assisting a fellow member trying to off load some SHA-256 mining hardware."

I'm a little more active than Mindtrip on Reddit so I posted there as well.



I don't Do Reddit so I asked Natty to help me out on there I am more active on this forum I was out of town so Natty had started this post for me.

Zip Code for Pickup would be 11501
hero member
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If you don’t believe, why are you here?
No sir.

In fact, fuck the Islanders.

GO CAPITALS!! Grin

I can however say without a doubt, that Mindtrip is a crypto and mining enthusiast, a fair business man, and a standup human being.

sr. member
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Quote
Yeah, why are there 2 people involved?


"Assisting a fellow member trying to off load some SHA-256 mining hardware."

I'm a little more active than Mindtrip on Reddit so I posted there as well.



Are you I on Long Island too?
hero member
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If you don’t believe, why are you here?
Quote
Yeah, why are there 2 people involved?


"Assisting a fellow member trying to off load some SHA-256 mining hardware."

I'm a little more active than Mindtrip on Reddit so I posted there as well.

sr. member
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Hi BTCTalk,

Assisting a fellow member trying to off load some SHA-256 mining hardware. The following conditions apply:

(1) Price highly dictated on how much of the stock is desired, onesie-twosies will not be considered.
(2) Payment in BTC and / or LTC only.
(3) Ships from NY, USA.
(4) Escrow is a must.

Please PM me with serious offers only.

QTY 4 knc neptunes
QTY 6 antminer s2
QTY 8 antminer s3 and s3+ units all over clickable to 500gh
QTY 2 antminer s4's
QTY 2 spondoolies sp20s

I am in NY as well. What is your zip code?
legendary
Activity: 1694
Merit: 1002
Go Big or Go Home.....
Where in NY are you ? Will you deal person to person for a local pickup?


Yes I absolutly will. I am located on Long Island PM me ill give you more specifics

So you are the seller that the OP referenced?

Yeah, why are there 2 people involved?
legendary
Activity: 1628
Merit: 1012
Where in NY are you ? Will you deal person to person for a local pickup?


Yes I absolutly will. I am located on Long Island PM me ill give you more specifics

So you are the seller that the OP referenced?
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
Where in NY are you ? Will you deal person to person for a local pickup?


Yes I absolutly will. I am located on Long Island PM me ill give you more specifics
legendary
Activity: 1694
Merit: 1002
Go Big or Go Home.....
Where in NY are you ? Will you deal person to person for a local pickup?
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitMarket/comments/32ndtp/wts_btc_miners/

Is this a completely separate deal and you just happen to have ~50 TH locally between your friend and yourself?

Its the same deal. I am negotiable on the price but 30BTC is to low unles sbuyer wants to do local pickup then id consider it

Current fair market value of all the individual hardware is close to $9,000
legendary
Activity: 1167
Merit: 1009
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitMarket/comments/32ndtp/wts_btc_miners/

Is this a completely separate deal and you just happen to have ~50 TH locally between your friend and yourself?

Its the same deal. I am negotiable on the price but 30BTC is to low unles sbuyer wants to do local pickup then id consider it
legendary
Activity: 1628
Merit: 1012
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitMarket/comments/32ndtp/wts_btc_miners/

Is this a completely separate deal and you just happen to have ~50 TH locally between your friend and yourself?
legendary
Activity: 2212
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Lie down. Have a cookie
Currently its split up on 2 Pools But ballpark its about .5 BTC a day. Overseas shipping is hard to ship the whole package we would have to do freight to keep the cost down if you want to investigate the cost from a commercial location in NY PM me and we can talk.

Revised Inventory For Sale
Qty   Miner                   Model
6      Antminer                 S2      
8      Antminer                 S3
0      Antminer                 S4
4      KnC                 Neptune
2      Antminer                 C1
2      Spondoolies         SP20

Total About 28.6 TH (Left) At Current Difficult about 8.72 BTC Per month Generated Lot Price 45 BTC Shipped Domestically via Freight on me
Any other Custom Options PM me

I don't want to bash on you, but I see a more reasonable price at 30BTC. You might interest more people.

I only say this because call it 23 for equipment, 3 for shipping, and 4 for covering the "lowball pricing".

Not many people buy equipment that won't roi in 3 months with free electricity.
legendary
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No one is interested in any of this?
legendary
Activity: 1167
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Currently its split up on 2 Pools But ballpark its about .5 BTC a day. Overseas shipping is hard to ship the whole package we would have to do freight to keep the cost down if you want to investigate the cost from a commercial location in NY PM me and we can talk.

Revised Inventory For Sale
Qty   Miner                   Model
6      Antminer                 S2      
8      Antminer                 S3
2      Antminer                 S4 (SOLD LOCAL PICKUP 4.5BTC)
4      KnC                 Neptune
2      Antminer                 C1
2      Spondoolies         SP20

Total About 28.6 TH (Left) At Current Difficult about 8.72 BTC Per month Generated Lot Price 45 BTC Shipped Domestically via Freight on me
Any other Custom Options PM me
full member
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Scam / Scammer Hunter
id like a price for the whole package please. and do you ship overseas??

also, with everything combined, what is the weekly or monthly ROI?
legendary
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So the Neptunes are all rock solid even have 1 spare cube on one miner running over 4th there are 1-2 dead dies between the 4 miners that come on and off but all miners run 3.2-3.4TH each with 1 miner extra cube runs 4TH. All original boxes except the extra cube also have power supplies all have been running stable for months 0 Downtime. As stated above ebay is spotty on what you get I am not a noob on the forums or to selling on ebay. Some miners S4 already have bids over $200 so those are now off the table for sale on the forums. I prefer to get out of mining right now as our facility is coming off lease and want to consolidate down to only a handful of miners
legendary
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I appreciated your responses except for the last one. eBay prices are not "fair market value."

Good luck with selling - I've got my eyes on older hardware at the moment.

Understood NCSUPanda. As long as we can agree that $580 (shipped) for a Neptune and $195 for an S4 is a more than little below market value, I think we have no quarrel here.



Market value is very fluid right now.  Especially since bitcoin is so low there's absolutely no ROI and actually made worse.  I doubt your price would really be that bad 2 months ago.  You can still get those prices occasionally on Ebay when there's a few bidders.  In regards to the Neptunes, they are very fickle and the chance of not having an ebay dispute will be slim.  They have rightly so received a bad reputation, but I've had decent luck with them and have purchased 4 so far between $.17-$.21/gh.

Again, not trying to deride your thread as you may get someone who wants them and you both agree as to what market value is currently.
hero member
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If you don’t believe, why are you here?
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QTY 2 antminer s4's (5.8BTC)
QTY 2 spondoolies sp20s (4.77BTC)

Shipped to Romania.

 
hero member
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If you don’t believe, why are you here?
I appreciated your responses except for the last one. eBay prices are not "fair market value."

Good luck with selling - I've got my eyes on older hardware at the moment.

Understood NCSUPanda. As long as we can agree that $580 (shipped) for a Neptune and $195 for an S4 is a more than little below market value, I think we have no quarrel here.

legendary
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I appreciated your responses except for the last one. eBay prices are not "fair market value."

Good luck with selling - I've got my eyes on older hardware at the moment.
hero member
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If you don’t believe, why are you here?
NP.  Good luck in your sale.

Thanks, but I'd be remiss to not note that two SP20's may look a little money next to those 4 Neptune's you want!  Grin

What's your offer for 6 Machines @ 15TH/s?
hero member
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If you don’t believe, why are you here?
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I have .6 BTC and 45 LTC for one S4

Rejected.

Just an example, if this said S2 instead of S4, and he wanted QTY 4-6 of them then we'd have a negotiation. Likely to the price point of the buyer with shipping to be included by the seller.

I'm trying to be fair for both parties here guys.

legendary
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I'm not bashful.  The last 2 Neps I purchased were $500 each + $80 shipping to 65202.  Are all the dies working and hashing above 3.3th? I'd do 1-4 at that price.

I like the SP20, but they are pricey compared to a stable Nep.  Unstable Nep is a completely different story Smiley

QTY 4 Operational Neptunes Shipped in the US for 10.331 BTC is rejected.



NP.  Good luck in your sale.
hero member
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If you don’t believe, why are you here?
I'm not bashful.  The last 2 Neps I purchased were $500 each + $80 shipping to 65202.  Are all the dies working and hashing above 3.3th? I'd do 1-4 at that price.

I like the SP20, but they are pricey compared to a stable Nep.  Unstable Nep is a completely different story Smiley

QTY 4 Operational Neptunes Shipped in the US for 10.331 BTC is rejected.

hero member
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If you don’t believe, why are you here?

(1) Are you also taking offers publicly?


Yes. All, please feel free to make reasonable public offerings.

(2) Are the KnC miners shipped in their cases?

Yes.

(3) Do you offer any discounts to people making bulk buys?

Yes. Furthermore, freight forwarding for "bulk buys" will covered (and defined) for the buyer. Otherwise, the buyer will incur shipping costs and provide a valid shipping label and associated insurance coverage.  


(4) Do you have any starting prices for these units?

The prices in mind are fair market value (ie. just do an ebay search for an individual unit). As stated, discounts for bulk buys will apply. All good offers in BTC/LTC at current market rates will be considered and publically rejected or negotiated.

Peace, NLC.  
legendary
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I'm not bashful.  The last 2 Neps I purchased were $500 each + $80 shipping to 65202.  Are all the dies working and hashing above 3.3th? I'd do 1-4 at that price.

I like the SP20, but they are pricey compared to a stable Nep.  Unstable Nep is a completely different story Smiley
legendary
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I'm glad you accept escrow.

Are you also taking offers publicly?
Are the KnC miners shipped in their cases or as individual modules?
Do you offer any discounts to people making bulk buys?
Do you have any starting prices for these units?
hero member
Activity: 912
Merit: 1021
If you don’t believe, why are you here?
Hi BTCTalk,

Assisting a fellow member trying to off load some SHA-256 mining hardware. The following conditions apply:

(1) Price highly dictated on how much of the stock is desired, onesie-twosies will not be considered.
(2) Payment in BTC and / or LTC only.
(3) Ships from NY, USA.
(4) Escrow is a must.

Please PM me with serious offers only.

QTY 4 knc neptunes
QTY 6 antminer s2
QTY 8 antminer s3 and s3+ units all over clickable to 500gh
QTY 2 antminer s4's
QTY 2 spondoolies sp20s
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