Topic: [WTS] Hardware Wallets (Read 174 times)

I'd love for you to point me at where I told you what to do. I made a suggestion to potential buyers, gave my advice, opinion and offered a reasonable alternative. All I said was that it is a bad idea to purchase a hardware wallet from a third party seller if you are planning to use the hardware wallet as intended (to store coins).

I always find it amazingly entertaining when people flail like a fish out of water about "sales trashing", specifically when nothing except facts have been stated and you haven't disagreed with me once.


The right precautions would start with:
Step 1: Purchase from the manufacturer

Just because there are people willing to buy something, doesn't make it a good idea.


I'll take a page out of your book though and say:


If I want to explain the pitfalls, dangers and potential security problems that will arise with a secondhand hardware wallet then there is nobody that will stop me. Crying about sales-trashing, and telling me to just "move on" unless I want to purchase your tainted-goods is just making you look like a clown.

Somebody that needs to save $20 by buying the hardware wallet secondhand, clearly isn't in need of a hardware wallet at all.

If you believe that all of the vulnerabilities, tricks and bugs are known then you must fall into category 2. _{Side-note: When you're insulting someone, I'd suggest being more direct, rather than beating around the bush like a scared animal.}


You're being dishonest about the risks, in order to make a quick buck, which is a hallmark of a conman. I legitimately had no issue with what you were offering before, and simply wanted to give a quick warning to those that may be unaware. Now though, you're lying, insulting and telling me to leave the thread because my true-information is sales-trashing. Good luck with sales!

Most of your images have gone stale, too.

That's fine to have that opinion, most of the companies that sell these recommend the same, unfortunately it doesn't mean there isn't a market for these.

In fact, there's a market on eBay and other mediums that sell opened 2nd hand devices, something almost anyone would strongly advise against doing, the fact is, for the most part, it takes very sophisticated security experts to bypass the devices and compromise the hardware. Both Ledger and Trezor specifically are for the most part open source (Ledger has a closed portion of security) but yea, the vulnerabilities are known and the few that are out there and haven't been patched require such extensive and sophisticated bypassing that it's unrealistic for most security experts to actually do.

What I am getting at is:

1) Perfectly fine to point this out but you're not stating what 99.9% of people don't already know, this is just sales trashing.
2) Despite your opinion there never will stop being a second hand market for these devices even used devices

Also, please don't tell me what to do in respect of 'if you're planning on purchasing do so to use it' that's my business, my money. I wouldn't purchase them if I couldn't afford them and if they didn't sell.

I'm sorry if this seems rather short but it's exhausting hearing the same thing, don't want to buy, move on.... 99.9% of people know the security risks, every security advice recommends you don't buy from a third party, it wont stop people. To be honest, it's only those who are totally clueless about crypto and have no tech knowledge that I'd suggest to never buy a third party device, for those who are actually technically minded and do have some tech knowledge and skills, it's obvious that you can use these devices, with the right precautions and they be perfectly fine/safe/just as buying it from the original source.

People who argue against this notion fall into one of two categories.

1) Manufacturer of hardware wallet or have a financial incentive to keep purchases directly from the company
2) Totally inept technically and have little to no basic skills in tech, development, coding and security

This is not an accusation, but as always, if you are planning on purchasing a hardware wallet for actual use - then the only reasonable way to do so would be to purchase it through the manufacturer directly. Purchasing a used (which I know these are claimed to be new) hardware wallet or a hardware wallet that has changed hands opens you up to tampering, manipulation anything you can think of. In my opinion, the discount you'd be getting for going this route isn't worth the chance of your coins being stolen down the road, so unless you're buying it for display purposes only I would advise against it.

I currently have three hardware wallets for sale:

Archos Safe-T-Mini $55


KeepKey $75


Ellipal Wallet $140


All of these devices come security sealed, they have security seals in place to prove they have not been opened or tampered with. The Ellipal and Archos come in cellophane wrapping still, the keeykey doesn't have cellophane wrapping but has a security seal to show it has never been opened.

Buyer will also have to cover postage, shipping to the UK is FREE the United States add $10 to order total.

Willing to use escrow service provider of your choosing but you will have to cover the fee.

Payment via BTC/BCH/ETH/NANO/LTC