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Topic: ~www.PvPDice.com~ - Bitcoin Player Vs Player Dice & Poker betting -0% house edge (Read 2780 times)

legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1006
Hi Jamie. Yes unfortunately, each time i go to the site, never see a player.

Its difficult that way, make a deposit and play. Its weird, because the all concept is really good.

I agree, that maybe a option of house vs player , may sparkle the game, together with a signature campaign.

I wish all of the best. You are a good and focused person.


Cheers.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
For the sake of been transparent I would like to reveal our current stats since launching 3 days ago.

4 Deposits, 1 withdrawal, 0 bets

From monitoring the website we see users logging on however finding nobody to challenge and then logging out/closing from boredom.

Not sure how to counter this as the incentive to get users on the website in the first place was the non existent advantage to any player.

What about adding an usual dice game alongside, so people can play against the house when there is no one around?

Primedice has PVP if I remember correctly.

It has been removed, but I have no idea if it is temporary or permanent. Check MICRO's post for reference.

PvP is removed from primedice for the time being .
Although this would be easy to create, I'm somewhat against the idea as it counters what we're trying to represent.

However users such as "keepinquiet" make a good point, gambling is supposed to be fun and it seems we have overlooked this and focused on the fairness of betting instead.

We have decided to keep PvPDice open for another week purely to monitor weekend activity and perhaps give some unaware users a shot, all deposits will automatically be refunded if this day comes so don't let that discourage you from trying the game.

We're currently re-planning the whole project however knowing what we now know it doesn't seem anything will work apart from implementing a traditional 'house vs player' feature. I'm personally against the notion so unless convinced otherwise this probably won't happen.

I appreciate all the comments and support, it's truly nice to see some people giving it a chance amongst the 500+ pages of other content advertised on this forum.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
i think we don't have enough users online as of now, maybe you should start some giveaways so you can get users to try the game. Thanks
yes the players very lonely sometimes makes me confused. in fact they are good when the initial opening has held a contest but after that it seemed everyone went away.
pvp requires little giveaway to attract and make famous
the giveaway will end soon if there will be one, and players will go away again, thats the main issue with pvps there will never be enough players
Yeah right. What game systems such as PVP less attractive? I think clearly. It is better for me against homeowners who have a lot of balance like a game of dice
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 1000
Exhausted
For the sake of been transparent I would like to reveal our current stats since launching 3 days ago.

4 Deposits, 1 withdrawal, 0 bets

From monitoring the website we see users logging on however finding nobody to challenge and then logging out/closing from boredom.

Not sure how to counter this as the incentive to get users on the website in the first place was the non existent advantage to any player.

What about adding an usual dice game alongside, so people can play against the house when there is no one around?

Primedice has PVP if I remember correctly.

It has been removed, but I have no idea if it is temporary or permanent. Check MICRO's post for reference.

PvP is removed from primedice for the time being .
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
i think we don't have enough users online as of now, maybe you should start some giveaways so you can get users to try the game. Thanks
yes the players very lonely sometimes makes me confused. in fact they are good when the initial opening has held a contest but after that it seemed everyone went away.
pvp requires little giveaway to attract and make famous
the giveaway will end soon if there will be one, and players will go away again, thats the main issue with pvps there will never be enough players
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
i think we don't have enough users online as of now, maybe you should start some giveaways so you can get users to try the game. Thanks
yes the players very lonely sometimes makes me confused. in fact they are good when the initial opening has held a contest but after that it seemed everyone went away.
pvp requires little giveaway to attract and make famous
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
i think we don't have enough users online as of now, maybe you should start some giveaways so you can get users to try the game. Thanks
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1000
I checked it out. It's PVP. I challenged someone, who, I assume was not interested, or was afk. The challenge timed out in 30 seconds.

I don't want to wait 3 seconds for my dice to roll.

Why would I bother with PVP dice challenges when I could just go to primedice or elsewhere and bet instantly? I don't see the overwhelming bonus that your site provides thats worth the "cost" of hoping others are on, at the same exact time I am, paying attention, who are willing to risk what I am, and then possibly waiting what feels like forever for that bet to happen.

I'm not sure there is ANY benefit that would make all that worth it.

Primedice has PVP if I remember correctly. And I can bet against the system if I want in the meantime.

Not bashing, just telling you a gambler's response to the site. I see zero incentive to jump those hoops when I can deposit and bet at another site in seconds.


I think you should have another option where you get to play against bots at a low house advantage (say at 0.5%).
This way you would generate more profit for the site to sustain.
full member
Activity: 420
Merit: 151
I checked it out. It's PVP. I challenged someone, who, I assume was not interested, or was afk. The challenge timed out in 30 seconds.

I don't want to wait 3 seconds for my dice to roll.

Why would I bother with PVP dice challenges when I could just go to primedice or elsewhere and bet instantly? I don't see the overwhelming bonus that your site provides thats worth the "cost" of hoping others are on, at the same exact time I am, paying attention, who are willing to risk what I am, and then possibly waiting what feels like forever for that bet to happen.

I'm not sure there is ANY benefit that would make all that worth it.

Primedice has PVP if I remember correctly. And I can bet against the system if I want in the meantime.

Not bashing, just telling you a gambler's response to the site. I see zero incentive to jump those hoops when I can deposit and bet at another site in seconds.
sr. member
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Maybe they only have start promotion... later they will surely need to "update" fees Wink
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
I don't know how you would even run the server with 0.01% commision on deposits/withdraws. You would need 20,000$ in bitcoin not wagered but deposited or cashed out each month to pay for a 2$ VPS. For a half decent server of 100$/month you would need 1,000,000$ in bitcoin deposited or cashed out each month.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
The  0.001% fee is very very low, It's hardly to continue to run a site.
The fee is not the issue at all, activity and serious bettors using the website was always the concern.

For the sake of been transparent I would like to reveal our current stats since launching 3 days ago.

4 Deposits, 1 withdrawal, 0 bets

From monitoring the website we see users logging on however finding nobody to challenge and then logging out/closing from boredom.

Not sure how to counter this as the incentive to get users on the website in the first place was the non existent advantage to any player.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
The  0.001% fee is very very low, It's hardly to continue to run a site.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
BET ID is a randomly generated number which is our 'variable' in the provably fair concept.
Are you sure? So this isn't the bet ID that increases just with 1? If so do we get a hash of this in advance? TBH the whole implementation seems strange, I would assume PvP just works like this:

- Player 1 makes random seed that is long enough to not be bruteforced (is made by default randomly in browser - not on server.) Sends hash to site (not the actual seed yet!) together with amount, Hi/Lo choice.
- Player 2 does the same.
- Both players see each others hash and have few seconds to note it down.
- Both players send the actual seeds to server (only now!) and result is calculated just based on these seeds together.

This way neither the players or site knows the outcome in advance, even if the site + one of the players collude together (eg house cheating by faking a player.)

0.01% of $1,000 is $10
Uhm no. You might be confused with the difference in showing fractional numbers with percentage vs decimals.

amount = fraction by using percentage = simple fraction (fraction by using decimals)
$1,000 = 100% = 1/1 (1)
$100 = 10% = 1/10 (0.1)
$10 = 1% = 1/100 (0.01)
$1 = 0.1% = 1/1000 (0.001)
$0.1 = 0.01% = 1/10000 (0.0001)
$0.01 = 0.001% = 1/100000 (0.00001)
$0.001 = 0.0001% = 1/1000000 (0.000001)
Yep, seems you're correct.

Funny, one of the devs said this originally during the concept planning and everyone else shut him down; he's feeling pretty big headed right now lmao.

Changing this now, thanks Nico.
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1295
DiceSites.com owner
BET ID is a randomly generated number which is our 'variable' in the provably fair concept.
Are you sure? So this isn't the bet ID that increases just with 1? If so do we get a hash of this in advance? TBH the whole implementation seems strange, I would assume PvP just works like this:

- Player 1 makes random seed that is long enough to not be bruteforced (is made by default randomly in browser - not on server.) Sends hash to site (not the actual seed yet!) together with amount, Hi/Lo choice.
- Player 2 does the same.
- Both players see each others hash and have few seconds to note it down.
- Both players send the actual seeds to server (only now!) and result is calculated just based on these seeds together.

This way neither the players or site knows the outcome in advance, even if the site + one of the players collude together (eg house cheating by faking a player.)

0.01% of $1,000 is $10
Uhm no. You might be confused with the difference in showing fractional numbers with percentage vs decimals.

amount = fraction by using percentage = simple fraction (fraction by using decimals)
$1,000 = 100% = 1/1 (1)
$100 = 10% = 1/10 (0.1)
$10 = 1% = 1/100 (0.01)
$1 = 0.1% = 1/1000 (0.001)
$0.1 = 0.01% = 1/10000 (0.0001)
$0.01 = 0.001% = 1/100000 (0.00001)
$0.001 = 0.0001% = 1/1000000 (0.000001)
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
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To obtain the result, you need four things:

1) BetID: You can obtain this from your "My Bets" column.

2) No. of challenges: Number of challenges issued to opponent.

3) Total Bets: This is the total PVP games played by user, this can be obtained from the "Profile Settings" page on the top left corner of the page. Please note this must be your total bets at the time of the game; not to be confused with your current Total Bets.

4) SEED: This is automatically generated by the server, although you may change it whenever you like; found on the top left corner of the page next to the logout button.


Steps to obtain a user's roll number:

1) Combine (1#2#3#4) in sequence.

I don't understand your provably fair method at all. It seems the 4 variables to calculate the roll outcome are known to the player in advance. This would mean the player can generate their own results in advance and therefor cheat.
BET ID is a randomly generated number which is our 'variable' in the provably fair concept.

I would like to try your site, but it seems no one is online. Sad

Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all CashOuts by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

Is the fee 0.001% (you take $1 for a $100,000 deposit) or 0.1% (you take $1 for a $1,000 deposit)?

The fee for both is 0.001%

As noted the site says: $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit. That is 0.1% not 0.001%. So which one is it? Just a fee on wagered/profit amount would be better IMO.
0.01% of $1,000 is $10

The idea was to encourage more betting on a platform far more fair than others, a true game of chance if you will - we always knew the community wouldn't adopt it as quickly as other games such as SatoshiDice, JustDice or PrimeDice which is another reason the fees are so low.

The planning of this project has gone into immense depth and believe it or not this whole launch is more of a proof of concept than a claim to profit, if it fails the plan was to always scrap it and move on to other ventures (Bitcoin related) however if it succeeds then we will take it to the next level (involving a much larger level of commitment from the team and financial investment).
full member
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I feel this site will become more popular soon.
0% house edge is always good. This is the 1st time I have seen a dice site with no house advantage on betting.
i have never seen one too but they have some fees what means casino will still get a profit so we can call that fee a small house edge
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1295
DiceSites.com owner
I would like to try your site, but it seems no one is online. Sad

Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all CashOuts by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

Is the fee 0.001% (you take $1 for a $100,000 deposit) or 0.1% (you take $1 for a $1,000 deposit)?

The fee for both is 0.001%

As noted the site says: $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit. That is 0.1% not 0.001%. So which one is it? Just a fee on wagered/profit amount would be better IMO.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
I feel this site will become more popular soon.
0% house edge is always good. This is the 1st time I have seen a dice site with no house advantage on betting.
well yeah 0 house edge sounds really nice though there are really small amount of pvp players i think that will be the problem
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1295
DiceSites.com owner
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To obtain the result, you need four things:

1) BetID: You can obtain this from your "My Bets" column.

2) No. of challenges: Number of challenges issued to opponent.

3) Total Bets: This is the total PVP games played by user, this can be obtained from the "Profile Settings" page on the top left corner of the page. Please note this must be your total bets at the time of the game; not to be confused with your current Total Bets.

4) SEED: This is automatically generated by the server, although you may change it whenever you like; found on the top left corner of the page next to the logout button.


Steps to obtain a user's roll number:

1) Combine (1#2#3#4) in sequence.

I don't understand your provably fair method at all. It seems the 4 variables to calculate the roll outcome are known to the player in advance. This would mean the player can generate their own results in advance and therefor cheat.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1000
I feel this site will become more popular soon.
0% house edge is always good. This is the 1st time I have seen a dice site with no house advantage on betting.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
Adding faucet will be a good idea to test out the site
For background theme is too colorful. Anyway good luck with the site then
Unfortunately the profit margin is incredibly small so introducing a faucet is not feasible.

if you dont have a house edge as its a pvp game and you dont have ads how you will make profit out of it then?

i think they will take some fee from winning bets like 1% or maybe 2% OP can tell us better about this how much fee they will charge from winning bet, is there option to put bet against the house edge or not?
Fees are deducted ONLY from deposits and withdrawals, you can bet as much as you want without a fee.

The fee for both is 0.001%
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
Me, myself and I
How many confirmations needed for deposit accept, i think charge for deposit not reasonable. If for withdrawal no problem
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Adding faucet will be a good idea to test out the site
For background theme is too colorful. Anyway good luck with the site then

Players are not playing against the house so i guess faucet is not needed or players will only abuse it doing faucet and lose it all to his/her main account then withdraw when a user reached the minimum withdrawal limit
hero member
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Love the concept and the fresh design, as soon as you guys get some more users, i'll deposit and play, there is no-one online bet me atm
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
I would like to try your site, but it seems no one is online. Sad

Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all CashOuts by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

Is the fee 0.001% (you take $1 for a $100,000 deposit) or 0.1% (you take $1 for a $1,000 deposit)?
legendary
Activity: 3500
Merit: 1354
Adding faucet will be a good idea to test out the site
For background theme is too colorful. Anyway good luck with the site then

Yap, I think faucet is a good thing to test out the site. But since this is pvp games I worry that it can be abused easily, user can create 2 or more accounts and just play against himself. So, OP need to think how to prevent such kind of condition if he plan to add a faucet.
Anyway, good luck for this site..And thanks for the great pre-launch promotion last week.
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1015
Adding faucet will be a good idea to test out the site
For background theme is too colorful. Anyway good luck with the site then
hero member
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Merit: 1000
I like the concept. always happy to see new ways to play dice. i signed up and will check it out today




legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1000
if you dont have a house edge as its a pvp game and you dont have ads how you will make profit out of it then?

i think they will take some fee from winning bets like 1% or maybe 2% OP can tell us better about this how much fee they will charge from winning bet, is there option to put bet against the house edge or not?
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
if you dont have a house edge as its a pvp game and you dont have ads how you will make profit out of it then?
sr. member
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PLEASE NOTE:
When you sign up you will notice it only asks for your username & e-mail, this is because the password is automatically generated and sent to your e-mail address; you may change the password in your profile settings (screenshots below)





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sr. member
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Introducing....



https://www.PvPDice.com

A lot of you may remember us from our pre-launch competition advertised in the games & rounds section (otherwise found here - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2-8btc-giveaway-announcing-the-launch-of-pvpdice-player-vs-player-betting-1066210)

Well it brings us great pleasure (and many sleepless nights) to officially launch PvPDice to the public.

How do we make money?
We charge a 0.01% fee (AKA $1 for every $1,000) for Deposits & Withdraws, We DO NOT charge any fees for the actual bets themselves, this means you can bet an unlimited amount of times and only be charged for what you withdraw at the end.

How do I play?
Please take a moment to watch this quick video on how to deposit & play.




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We understand that there will be many questions (as there has been in the past) so please take a moment to read through the FAQs and if anything needs clarification or you require assistance then by all means do not hesitate to ask.

FAQ:
What is PvPDice?
PvPDice is a Player Vs Player Bitcoin betting game, we are consisted of 2 games at the moment with a third in development; they are 'Dicing' and 'Poker'

How do I know I'm not being cheated?
PvPDice has implemented a popular concept among Bitcoin betting games called 'Provably Fair', probably fair allows a player to validate the fairness of their bet. Your bets are always completely unpredictable as there are several parameters which are used to reach the result of your game result which are all impossible for us to predict which by contrast makes it impossible for us or anyone else to cheat.

You can find out more about the 'Probably Fair' concept by scrolling to the bottom of PvPdice.com and clicking 'Probably Fair', here we will show you how our provably fair system works and also display an example of how you can use it yourself.

How do I deposit?
You may deposit by clicking the "Deposit" button on the right hand side of the screen next to "Invite User", this button is only available on the 'DICE' & 'POKER' page. Once you click the button a wallet address will appear; simply deposit your funds to the selected address and your account will be credited automatically. Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all deposits by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

How do I withdraw?
You may withdraw by clicking the "CashOut" button located directly under the 'Deposit' button. To CashOut you must provide a valid wallet address & amount of BTC you wish to Withdraw. Please note there is a 0.001% fee to all CashOuts by PvPDice.com, this is equivalent to $1 fee for a $1,000 deposit.

What currencies do you currently accept?
For the time being we are only accepting Bitcoin, we do not have any future plans to integrate other virtual currencies.

Why did you create PvPDice?
PvPDice.com was created as a proof of concept for a much larger business model, we are interested in seeing how the market responds to a 0% house edge casino. PvPDice.com is about playing a game of chance; we define this by one player having an equal chance of beating another player. This eliminates the misconstrued concept that a 1% house edge is unlikely to hit them and therefore a false sense of security is felt by the bettor enabling them to continue placing bets with the hope of winning on the long run.

What is the maximum bet?
Although technically we are not taking bets as a house; we have implemented a maximum bet of 10BTC between players.

What if I don't trust PvPDice with my money?
We have monitored the market for a while and have unfortunately witnessed many scams by seemingly trustworthy people in the Bitcoin gambling community; it's for this reason we completely understand how some players may be sceptical about depositing their funds directly with PvPDice.com. To address this issue we are giving players the opportunity to nominate their own 'Private Banker'.

The private banker will be a third party individual deemed trustworthy by two players wishing to bet against each other; this player will have complete control of your funds and be tasked with the responsibility of paying the victor their spoils. Players who choose to take the route of a private banker will not be allowed to make bets against the public & will not be available in the global directory, only against one other individual who is also using the same banker.

Enjoy!

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