Yawn. Tesla Motors reveals that the NYT did a hatchet job on their Model S

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The implication is that Tesla Motors only does this for media test drives, but it gives you an idea of the sort of things that will be collected once automobile black boxes become the norm. We're used to airplane black boxes, which only collected a small amount of data from the minutes just before an incident. But that was back when data was expensive. Now that it's cheap, expect black boxes to collect everything all the time. And once it's collected, it'll be used. By auto manufacturers, by insurance companies, by car rental companies, by marketers. The list will be long.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/02/automobile_data.html

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Quote from: herzmeister on February 15, 2013, 11:51:52 AM

Quote from: n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU on February 15, 2013, 09:32:22 AM

I don't have any special love for subsidized crony industries such as electric cars or for Tesla and Mr. Musk...

certain other "crony industries" are "subsidized" a lot more.

2010:

Electric cars: $4 billion USD
Oil: $35 billion USD

Electric cars "allowed to compete" my foot. I dislike subsidies, but there's no reason to dislike an industry with a subsidy, especially when the competing industries are subsidized even more! If you truly dislike subsidies, surely you would attack the regular cars?

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I have nothing against Tesla, but Musk's handling of the situation was a disaster.

He accused NYT of lies, but lied himself:

a) Downtown Manhattan is nowhere around Lincoln tunnel.
b) If he was ever at Milford service area then he would know that a circle around service area is easy over 0.5 mile and easy to miss poorly marked Tesla charging station.
c) The car was out of juice as proven by the towing company
d) The charts shows a significant drop of charge overnight.

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Quote from: bitcool on February 15, 2013, 03:44:18 AM

Looking forward to the day buying Tesla with my bitcoin

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Quote from: Lethn on February 15, 2013, 03:38:17 AM

Tesla tend to bitch a lot regardless so I'd ignore them because they're just making noise, they actually tried suing Top Gear for pointing out the main problems with their electric sports car and really all electric cars.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120301/02504617922/tesla-fails-again-suing-top-gear-mocking-teslas-range.shtml

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/mar/30/tesla-sue-top-gear

Electric cars have a genuine problem of just not being able to run very long, why they think it's okay to sell these bloody things and get offended when people point out their problems is beyond me, fucking idiots, make it run longer than a piece of scrap petrol car before you complain about other people talking about you.

The problem is that the both NYT and Top Gear basically lied when pointing out the problems, both making the problems happen when they would not have otherwise. Top Gear rightfully lost in court because they had a script for the car to fail, and did things to make that happen. The NYT article was pretty close as well.

Tesla has actually made a electric cars that are usable. They do not do everything a gas car can do, but they have 2x the range of most competing electric cars.

Of course Elon Musk the owner of Tesla is also the owner of SpaceX and has done equally (if not more) exciting things in the space industry.

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Quote from: bitcool on February 15, 2013, 08:35:01 PM

thus to a degree bitcoin was subsidized too Embarrassed

SCANDAL !!1! Shocked

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Quote from: n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU on February 15, 2013, 05:08:00 PM

Then those subsidies should be done away as well. Products should compete for customers on their own merits, and with prices that reflect their real cost of manufacture. Privileges awarded by politicians to their donors and friends should not be tolerated in a just and fair society.

Generally I am not a big fan of government subsidies, but the world is not black-and-white. SHA256 was created and published by US government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2), thus to a degree bitcoin was subsidized too Embarrassed

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Quote from: herzmeister on February 15, 2013, 11:51:52 AM

Quote from: n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU on February 15, 2013, 09:32:22 AM

I don't have any special love for subsidized crony industries such as electric cars or for Tesla and Mr. Musk...

certain other "crony industries" are "subsidized" a lot more.

Then those subsidies should be done away as well. Products should compete for customers on their own merits, and with prices that reflect their real cost of manufacture. Privileges awarded by politicians to their donors and friends should not be tolerated in a just and fair society.

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Quote from: n8rwJeTt8TrrLKPa55eU on February 15, 2013, 09:32:22 AM

I don't have any special love for subsidized crony industries such as electric cars or for Tesla and Mr. Musk...

certain other "crony industries" are "subsidized" a lot more.

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I don't have any special love for subsidized crony industries such as electric cars or for Tesla and Mr. Musk...

...but I must admit I very much enjoy the NYT and the lapdog crony newsmedia getting a black eye and having their reputation lowered still further in the eyes of the public.

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CNN jumps in on Tesla's side: http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s/

And the NYT Author, Broder: http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-what-it-says-and-what-it-doesnt/ (but I suggest you ignore this link, he's just trying to get attention)

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Looking forward to the day buying Tesla with my bitcoin

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Tesla tend to bitch a lot regardless so I'd ignore them because they're just making noise, they actually tried suing Top Gear for pointing out the main problems with their electric sports car and really all electric cars.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120301/02504617922/tesla-fails-again-suing-top-gear-mocking-teslas-range.shtml

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/mar/30/tesla-sue-top-gear

Electric cars have a genuine problem of just not being able to run very long, why they think it's okay to sell these bloody things and get offended when people point out their problems is beyond me, fucking idiots, make it run longer than a piece of scrap petrol car before you complain about other people talking about you.

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I will never again hold anything quoted from the NYT with any regard whatsoever, "isolated incident" or not.

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Quote from: sounds on February 14, 2013, 03:11:08 PM

Heh. NYT is supposed to be one of those reliable sources of news. Except that stopped happening about 15 years ago in the name of more profits.

This. If people just could stop thinking profit, and think about doing something properly as the primarily motivation...

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Heh. NYT is supposed to be one of those reliable sources of news. Except that stopped happening about 15 years ago in the name of more profits.

In this case it's just the reporters personal bias and trying to drum up pageviews, which is why I linked to Tesla's blog post and not the NYT piece.

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Wow, they ripped him hard. Sounds like he deserved it. NYT had an agenda, perhaps?

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http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive

Score: Tesla 1, NYT 0

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