Topic: You all fooled and they use narrative to fool you and take your money (Read 139 times)

First of, every business has its narratives, the problems it'll solve for the customers. And that's what people actually pay for, although most narratives are not what it claims to be, but buyers always go for profitable ideas. A lot of events in the world are fueled by narratives, that'll fit the hearing of prospectives who would patronize it, yet that is not enough to think they're fooled.

It's all based on choice to believe stories behind every occurrence in the world. Many of them are not the truth, but if they should be a fool, that would be the person who coined out a false narrative to decieve others.

Well, if what you are talking about is mostly concerned with business and some investments, during war or other environmental disaster in a country, some business, assets and commodities can be affected greatly and it's not the fault of anything related to some sort of narrative to fool anyone and steal their money. The handwriting of any false narrative is usually written on the wall boldly. It's only the unwise that can not see it.

You touched on some really interesting ideas. about how storytelling can change our perceptions And an investment decision was made that felt right at the time. But it turned out to be against us. It's easy to get caught up in the emotions surrounding events such as geographic crises or economic trends. And companies or markets often leverage these stories to guide behavior.

For me, it's important to know when a story has an impact on you. rather than providing details or complex details. It is important to take a step back, do independent research, and carefully consider whether the narrative is truly rooted in sustainable thinking or if it is a temporary action intended to drive the business.

In situations like the oil example you mentioned. People who place bets based on short-term events, such as wars, can be very risky if they don't have an exit strategy. Or don't think about things How will things change when that's over? It is a reminder that even in the market Having the basics and thinking long-term is important to avoid temporary hype.



Sure enough, the market momentum is crucial. The short-term movements may affect the story, but But the biggest issue here is the supply and demand. As you said, Market sentiment and timing play a great role. No matter whether it's oil, Bitcoins or any other commodity, these markets are so unpredictable that that even a seemingly insignificant event can cause a major swing in valuation.

Take the case of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is known for its volatility, and thus people always try to time the market. Some will sell during a downturn because they get frustrated. However, most who stay longer tend to believe that it holds intrinsic value and future growth. The same holds for oil. Change comes from short-term news at times, but usually, long-term fundamentals override those to prevail in the end.

In the long run It's about knowing what you're investing in. And understanding that in this type of market, Patience can be as precious as time; everyone's approach will be unique. But learning to understand more clearly how the market behaves and not dwelling on history will help you make better decisions.


It's a matter of personal choice and risk tolerance. Just like oil, stocks and even Bitcoin, we all make choices based on the best information available at the time. Except there are no guarantees. You're right, nobody can foretell the future. Whether it be an epidemic Weak markets or wars - these are unpredictable things. which causes the market to speculate.

People tend to hedge their bets by allocating money as you said. To reduce losses if something goes wrong. It's a game of probability. And every investor assesses risk differently. I think the key isn't just to blindly tell the story. But you still need to understand that the market can create coins. Having a diversified strategy and being prepared for volatility is very important. Whether you bet on oil, Bitcoin or any other asset.

Lol, how you come up with this kind of narratives? Although it's no secret that if you have a business, obviously, you want to take the money of people as you provide something to them. Of course there are narratives behind, like Apple, people wanted prestige and a phone that revolutionized that industry and that's what they give their customers with. So it doesn't matter if there is a war in the middle east and they are buying oil. But one thing I like with your statement is that the war will be over, we don't like people getting killed specially children who are becoming a collateral damage.

Precisely, there's no fooling around and nobody is taking anybody's money, it's all about market dynamics. At any point in time there'll always be demand and supply, if someone is ready to sale then there'll be someone who is ready to buy. If you think that the seller has fooled the buyer by offloading their commodity at a high price, you'll never know whether price will continue to increase after a crisis is over. The forces of demand and supply is basically what determines price. For any products that is in high demand, any news, good or bad can only affect it's price on the short term.

An example is Bitcoin, some people are offloading their bags now because they're tired of waiting for price to skyrocket. So we wouldn't call the investors that are accumulating more Bitcoin fools, the market can turnaround at anytime. Even during the peak of bull run people are still buying, these are speculative markets, you never really know what price will be in the future. If your product is a valuable asset like Bitcoin and crude oil, then you can hold and wait for price to pump before selling. We should only worry about selling off perishable goods at a lose before they spoil so that we won't be at a total lose.

The example you used with the middle east is totally a wrong one giving the narrative you want to assert, the business of oil and gas is always on a long term contract basis, however if there is war ongoing within the middle east, the ripple effect will either increase or decrease on the price of oil in the international market. Also there has never been any foolery for those that invest in the oil market, ever since it's Discovery the oil and gas business is one of the most lucrative despise that is capital intensive, your narrative can suit in for other things but definitely not in the oil sector.

Your example has nothing to do with your theory about "creating narratives and taking your money".
The global oil market is impacted by the situation in the middle east and most oil traders are betting on whether the price is going up or down.
What's wrong with such behavior? Every market can be affected by certain events and conditions. I'm not buying oil or oil derivatives, so nobody is going to "take my money". Are you trying to make a conspiracy theory, where "they", "the powers that be", "the status quo", "the deep state" or the illuminati-reptiles and controlling everything that happens around the world and taking the money of innocent people by "creating narratives"? I'm sorry, but the reptiles already have control over the money printing machine. They don't need my money or your money.
The situation in the middle east isn't a "narrative". Real people are dying.

Someone things oil will go up and buys oil longs, and someone things they wont and does not buy them - so what? Its a personal choice whether to invest in something or not based on what the present situation is. That what we all do, be it stocks, bonds, bitcoin, our own education and jobs and so on.

Either of the above two might be right, thing is we dont have a crystal ball to predict what might happen. Did anyone predict a pandemic to happen? Actually some idiots kept on saying it might happen and one fine day it happened.

Even if the war ends nobody knows what position oil will be in and people are putting their bets on it. Most of them have side bets to cover losses, mind you.

While OP raise a good point that the conflict in the Middle East has actually begun to influence the oil markets. Also, we can take advantage of that to go long on oil, especially after supply disruptions from Iran, exporting millions of barrels a day. If the conflict escalates, oil prices could surge to as high as $200 a barrel. There is, however, a downside risk too, if the tensions ease or OPEC+ increases production, prices could fall and lead to losses among some investors. This sets up a balancing act, meanwhile, with other factors such as the slowing economy in China putting downward pressure on oil demand. That's why, I think it is not all about being fooled with a narrative, the full picture is to be considered, with risks on both sides. It is tough to time the market, which often plays a huge role in people's winning or losing.

This remind for small players that anything excessive may cost bad to them, that's why when in terms of investment people should avoid putting to much greed on everything they do and think about if they carry out to much supply since for sure there's many things to happen that what you have mentioned that can affect your investment which may result to money loss. Its important to know some risk and don't let your emotion eats you since losses would provably occur especially if you cannot control some things or happenings anymore.

But for old time investors in the market for sure they know how to handle this situation and could able to cope up with certain events, then provably could recover when there's loss occur due to unforeseen circumstances.

Market swings with retail buyers being on the wrong side are not a new thing. You haven’t uncovered anything here buddy. As always do your research & don’t use too much leverage if you can’t afford it.

Both parts of this sentence are wrong.
In the second part you are just describing any market, people speculate and make a move to try and make a profit. That's not a narrative, there is no fooling going on and nobody is taking anybody's money. It is a market dynamic.

In the first part, there is no war in middle east West Asia. There is only a US backed genocide taking place in Gaza and despite being appalling but it is not affecting the energy market because Gaza is a tiny percentage of West Asia and it is not close to energy rich regions, nor is any energy infrastructure under any danger.
Additionally if war were to actually break out in the region, oil price would shoot up to $200 in matter of hours and will continue rising as the entire energy infrastructure of all countries in the region would be destroyed (any country that has a US base in it). The consequences of it is a Financial Armageddon the likes of which has never been seen. In such a situation, people won't even have time to buy "oil longs" or move their money in and out of any markets.

With all this knowledge, you must be a billionaire by now, that’s truly great! Isn’t it.

Well, what’s there to understand that, it’s a tough world out there and you’re always going to find someone who would sell you something. It could be commodities or an idea. Either one it is, it could either make you or take from you and that’s business. Your either going to profit or loss. If your more focused on the profit, then your most likely going to loss and that’s the way it is. You need to do proper research and make clear deductions to be ahead of the times, projecting into the future.

Don’t play yourself, those in the above business have got enough resources to finance researches into what could disrupt or affect the business in years coming.

Yes , I agree. Most of big countries want to store  resources which can end in future. So big countries are  preparing for the hard time but I could be tough time for oil holders because all things of World are Working on oil and gas and one day that will end and we have to change our way of living.USA and Russia and Europe countries want to attack on the countries which has these resources and they are also thinking to make agreement to them. If War will be happen then there will be more distruction but behind every War there is a reason and that is resources. USA want to hold on the most of countries and it can do everything for that and they  want to show they are powerful.

it's narrative what's fooling you and make you win or lose.
They create for you narrative with narrative they create business and with that business they take your money
They want your money while you think you gona win you will lose.
For example now there is war In middle east many oil long contract buyers bought "oil longs"- they bet on oil long but then war will be over oil drops and they lose.
Not just the oil but many other narratives to fool you to take your money.