You should not leave positive trust if you are an escrow

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Quote from: Dyatrev on November 15, 2016, 07:44:16 AM

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will you mind removing that trust from mytey?(which is absolutely same which you are against)

and i think you are right for not giving positive for escrowing

Actually when he gave that feedback it was back in 2013 and that time trust was not being abused.

I am new and some people not like me talking here but Vod has a true and valid point. Actually giving trust means you trust the person while escrowing meant he trusted you and you just proved your worth.

i am not sure if you understand or read thread but let me say you vod is against to give trust while escrowing and i am agree on that too

Don't worry, they just want themselves to be heard by showing some smartness which they don't know that you already showed... Wink

BTW, I am with you Vod, and I have few people for whom I escrowed but never gave a trust to them, neither positive nor neutral because I feel that there is not need for that to be given unless it is regarding any loans, and I think escrows might give feedbacks on loans if that's not wrong in your eyes, Vod??? What say???

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Quote from: JPatrick on November 15, 2016, 05:37:44 AM

Quote from: DyatrevAlt on November 13, 2016, 02:49:22 AM

will you mind removing that trust from mytey?(which is absolutely same which you are against)

and i think you are right for not giving positive for escrowing

Actually when he gave that feedback it was back in 2013 and that time trust was not being abused.

I am new and some people not like me talking here but Vod has a true and valid point. Actually giving trust means you trust the person while escrowing meant he trusted you and you just proved your worth.

i am not sure if you understand or read thread but let me say you vod is against to give trust while escrowing and i am agree on that too

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Quote from: DyatrevAlt on November 13, 2016, 02:49:22 AM

will you mind removing that trust from mytey?(which is absolutely same which you are against)

and i think you are right for not giving positive for escrowing

Actually when he gave that feedback it was back in 2013 and that time trust was not being abused.

I am new and some people not like me talking here but Vod has a true and valid point. Actually giving trust means you trust the person while escrowing meant he trusted you and you just proved your worth.

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Quote from: Dyatrev on November 14, 2016, 11:57:45 PM

pharma you were just an example i didnt want to paste everything similar to your trust as i said vods trust on something like that should be neutral because it is just an opinion there were no risk involved

Your argument is based entirely on the fact that you think positive trust should only be given after trades. However... "Positive - You trust this person or had a successful trade."

Simply trusting an individual can be a reason to leave positive trust. Do you have to have traded with someone to think that they are trustworthy? I don't think so.

And because of this, the same should be (and is) applied to negative trust.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 14, 2016, 11:54:07 PM

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Quote from: DyatrevAlt on November 13, 2016, 05:52:28 AM

ohh vod you deleted your trust good job now it is time to delete all your trust feedbacks which you didnt risk anything

I deleted the positive trust I had left someone when I escrowed for them. If you see any other instances where I left positive trust for escrowing, please let me know and I will correct it.

it is me vod thanks for reply

dont get me wrong i am not against you or anything and i am realy thinking same way as you do if you didnt risk anything you shouldnt give positive trust (escrowing or anything else you if you want to point your view on that user you should just leave neutral as comment)

for example look at this

The Pharmacist 3: -0 / +1 2016-08-22 0.00000000 Fighting the good fight against scammers. Seems to have a solid head and a good grasp of what is right and wrong.

why this one is positive did you risk anything for it or anyone risked anything for it no you just saying he is good at this and this must be neutral if you want to do things right

up above is just an example if you check all your trust you will see many as like this one

Actually I was kind of surprised at Vod's feedback myself, and I wouldn't have expected it in a zillion years. Having said that, I would not blame him if he were to delete it based on your argument. However, leaving trust for people that you actually trust--regardless of whether any transactions were done--doesn't seem outlandish. I have Vod on my custom trust list even though I haven't left him a feedback.

pharma you were just an example i didnt want to paste everything similar to your trust as i said vods trust on something like that should be neutral because it is just an opinion there were no risk involved

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Quote from: Dyatrev on November 14, 2016, 11:46:12 PM

Quote from: Vod on November 14, 2016, 11:27:45 PM

Quote from: DyatrevAlt on November 13, 2016, 05:52:28 AM

ohh vod you deleted your trust good job now it is time to delete all your trust feedbacks which you didnt risk anything

I deleted the positive trust I had left someone when I escrowed for them. If you see any other instances where I left positive trust for escrowing, please let me know and I will correct it.

it is me vod thanks for reply

dont get me wrong i am not against you or anything and i am realy thinking same way as you do if you didnt risk anything you shouldnt give positive trust (escrowing or anything else you if you want to point your view on that user you should just leave neutral as comment)

for example look at this

The Pharmacist 3: -0 / +1 2016-08-22 0.00000000 Fighting the good fight against scammers. Seems to have a solid head and a good grasp of what is right and wrong.

why this one is positive did you risk anything for it or anyone risked anything for it no you just saying he is good at this and this must be neutral if you want to do things right

That is a different thing. There are lot of guys who are trying to make forum good alerting about scammers and giving them feedbacks. Don't you feel also that you should trust them?.

I don't think that Vod was wrong in leaving feedback. Although you should also note that Vod has most of his trusted feedbacks like that. Due to presence of such users scam rates are quite low otherwise take your time and imagine what could have been in other case.

this is not different about risk you missing big part when trusted ones share their trust without risking anything on users it will turn out to scammer from scamhunter because ppl will trust them with something valuable at future there are many examples of this stituation right?

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Quote from: Dyatrev on November 14, 2016, 11:46:12 PM

Quote from: Vod on November 14, 2016, 11:27:45 PM

Quote from: DyatrevAlt on November 13, 2016, 05:52:28 AM

ohh vod you deleted your trust good job now it is time to delete all your trust feedbacks which you didnt risk anything

I deleted the positive trust I had left someone when I escrowed for them. If you see any other instances where I left positive trust for escrowing, please let me know and I will correct it.

it is me vod thanks for reply

dont get me wrong i am not against you or anything and i am realy thinking same way as you do if you didnt risk anything you shouldnt give positive trust (escrowing or anything else you if you want to point your view on that user you should just leave neutral as comment)

for example look at this

The Pharmacist 3: -0 / +1 2016-08-22 0.00000000 Fighting the good fight against scammers. Seems to have a solid head and a good grasp of what is right and wrong.

why this one is positive did you risk anything for it or anyone risked anything for it no you just saying he is good at this and this must be neutral if you want to do things right

up above is just an example if you check all your trust you will see many as like this one

Actually I was kind of surprised at Vod's feedback myself, and I wouldn't have expected it in a zillion years. Having said that, I would not blame him if he were to delete it based on your argument. However, leaving trust for people that you actually trust--regardless of whether any transactions were done--doesn't seem outlandish. I have Vod on my custom trust list even though I haven't left him a feedback.

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Quote from: Dyatrev on November 14, 2016, 11:46:12 PM

Quote from: Vod on November 14, 2016, 11:27:45 PM

Quote from: DyatrevAlt on November 13, 2016, 05:52:28 AM

ohh vod you deleted your trust good job now it is time to delete all your trust feedbacks which you didnt risk anything

I deleted the positive trust I had left someone when I escrowed for them. If you see any other instances where I left positive trust for escrowing, please let me know and I will correct it.

it is me vod thanks for reply

dont get me wrong i am not against you or anything and i am realy thinking same way as you do if you didnt risk anything you shouldnt give positive trust (escrowing or anything else you if you want to point your view on that user you should just leave neutral as comment)

for example look at this

The Pharmacist 3: -0 / +1 2016-08-22 0.00000000 Fighting the good fight against scammers. Seems to have a solid head and a good grasp of what is right and wrong.

why this one is positive did you risk anything for it or anyone risked anything for it no you just saying he is good at this and this must be neutral if you want to do things right

That is a different thing. There are lot of guys who are trying to make forum good alerting about scammers and giving them feedbacks. Don't you feel also that you should trust them?.

I don't think that Vod was wrong in leaving feedback. Although you should also note that Vod has most of his trusted feedbacks like that. Due to presence of such users scam rates are quite low otherwise take your time and imagine what could have been in other case.

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Quote from: Vod on November 14, 2016, 11:27:45 PM

Quote from: DyatrevAlt on November 13, 2016, 05:52:28 AM

ohh vod you deleted your trust good job now it is time to delete all your trust feedbacks which you didnt risk anything

I deleted the positive trust I had left someone when I escrowed for them. If you see any other instances where I left positive trust for escrowing, please let me know and I will correct it.

it is me vod thanks for reply

dont get me wrong i am not against you or anything and i am realy thinking same way as you do if you didnt risk anything you shouldnt give positive trust (escrowing or anything else you if you want to point your view on that user you should just leave neutral as comment)

for example look at this

The Pharmacist 3: -0 / +1 2016-08-22 0.00000000 Fighting the good fight against scammers. Seems to have a solid head and a good grasp of what is right and wrong.

why this one is positive did you risk anything for it or anyone risked anything for it no you just saying he is good at this and this must be neutral if you want to do things right

up above is just an example if you check all your trust you will see many as like this one

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Quote from: DyatrevAlt on November 13, 2016, 05:52:28 AM

ohh vod you deleted your trust good job now it is time to delete all your trust feedbacks which you didnt risk anything

I deleted the positive trust I had left someone when I escrowed for them. If you see any other instances where I left positive trust for escrowing, please let me know and I will correct it.

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Quote from: Vod on November 13, 2016, 02:36:53 AM

I see a lot of positive trust being left recently by escrows when a deal is complete.

This is unnecessary and weakens the trust system.

As an escrow, you do not need to trust the person you are escrowing for. You are not risking anything as they are sending to you.

I know maybe you want the positive trust in return, but don't allow yourself to be bribed - positive trust will come to honest people eventually.

This is the rule that I follow and I find it that many users do not leave trust back either (although they should if they are following the system, since they are risking something).
I will never leave positive feedback unless there was something extraordinarily different in an escrow deal.

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I have to agree. Also in a scenario where a buyer and a seller asked an escrow to help with a trade, here the one who they are putting their trust is in the escrow so I don't think it makes sense if the one who will give a feedback is the one who escrowed the transaction.

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Quote from: Doamader on November 13, 2016, 08:27:19 AM

Escrow can give feedback as neutral, just saying the transaction escrowed has been a sucess, dont need to make it positive feedback at all, if is that you are complaining well you are right makes no sense to left such.

Yeah leaving neutral will be good as it will play as reference to successful escrow deals and parties being honest all the time in such trade.

Also I don't think "Lending" is a suitable thread. I think Reputation is much more suitable.

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Yea that is true because they are many scammers so it is hard to not be cheated so I give only positive feedback to person which i know minimum 6 months and i had deal with them.

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Escrow can give feedback as neutral, just saying the transaction escrowed has been a sucess, dont need to make it positive feedback at all, if is that you are complaining well you are right makes no sense to left such.

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ohh vod you deleted your trust good job now it is time to delete all your trust feedbacks which you didnt risk anything

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That is true. Escrows should remain neutral imho. It makes people question those who are given a positive trust when all they did was held collateral or btc, when in the long run those same people could end up fooling others because of the "trust" that they have gained. A simple thanks or a small fee should be enough for them.

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Quote from: Vod on November 13, 2016, 02:36:53 AM

I see a lot of positive trust being left recently by escrows when a deal is complete.

This is unnecessary and weakens the trust system.

As an escrow, you do not need to trust the person you are escrowing for. You are not risking anything as they are sending to you.

I know maybe you want the positive trust in return, but don't allow yourself to be bribed - positive trust will come to honest people eventually.

will you mind removing that trust from mytey?(which is absolutely same which you are against)

and i think you are right for not giving positive for escrowing

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I see a lot of positive trust being left recently by escrows when a deal is complete.

This is unnecessary and weakens the trust system.

As an escrow, you do not need to trust the person you are escrowing for. You are not risking anything as they are sending to you.

I know maybe you want the positive trust in return, but don't allow yourself to be bribed - positive trust will come to honest people eventually.

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