Topic: Youtube starts campaign of mass censorship and demonetization (Read 1015 times)

Its time that we should move to the decentralized video sharing platforms. Such platforms does exists but we don't watch videos on those channels and therefore there is very less traffic there. If decentralized platforms become popular, these YouTube will not be able to hijack content creator rights.

Yes, free markets don't really exist in the technology sector in the current state of capitalism.  A few big players dominate the scene and we have companies like Facebook and Google that buy up all the other companies.  People like to hate on socialism/communism for the centralization of power but capitalism does indeed have the same outcome in many ways.

Youtube starts campaign of mass censorship and demonetization

Aw. Too bad. I kinda liked Youtube. And now they are censoring themselves right out of business.

 

I am not referencing a specific article. If you can tell me which subject in particular you are trying to learn about maybe I can help though.

Can you hyperlink the article you read?

I am sure a lot of you have heard about this, but since the legacy media can't compete with the alternative media, they have opted to attack their ability to not only present their views, but earn a living from doing so. People are so hungry for truth and so tired of the old dried out turd that is the MSM, they literally can not compete with a guy in his garage on his web cam. This is only going to get worse, not just in the digital sphere, but in meat space.

They started with the fringes, now they are moving into quite main stream commentators. They are crafting a Communist style system of political correctness, and anyone who doesn't comply will be unpersoned and cut off from using the banking system, from transportation, from internet platforms, and even the ability to earn a living. Prepare yourselves, because when you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable.

I remember reading a year ago about LBRY, has anyone here uploaded anything there? I haven't bothered with the site and only traded their coin but I'm considering alternatives to Youtube.

i think youtube just make the rule just for decreased number of amateur youtuber and keep the good quality youtuber to make them have money

Yes, free markets don't really exist in the technology sector in the current state of capitalism.  A few big players dominate the scene and we have companies like Facebook and Google that buy up all the other companies.  People like to hate on socialism/communism for the centralization of power but capitalism does indeed have the same outcome in many ways.

Which is why capitalism is just dictatorship with more steps.

It's crazy how you all condemn the death of free speech and how it's just communism once again and it's just propaganda...

Well.. Yeah... That's what you get when a firm holds a complete monopole on something... And that's what happens when there is no regulation from the people. The best company slowly eats all the other ones and once they have the monopole they do whatever the fuck they want...

Capitalism anyone? That rings a bell? xD

And who told you that the EU has not this as a goal?
Right wing stances are growing in the EU and this is a huge headache for European Leaders.

The censorship has nothing to do with copyright nor any Europe law. It is primarily affecting right wing vloggers. It is a way to move the opinion of the population to the left.

And since there's a lag between slow government operations and corrections and the speed at which GoogleYoutube can make changes, they are starting now on their plan to influence the 2020 elections.

They will go all out to attempt to get their candidate to win, figuring that they can't be stopped in the time frame in which the election happens.

Assuming they succeed, they'll put into effect the plan they intended for 2016.

That's what we got.

In response to a coordinated, heavily-funded smear campaign against Natural News and myself, the Health Ranger, Facebook has now permanently banned Natural News from posting content. The channel name that has been banned is Facebook.com/healthranger, which was our primary channel reaching over 2.5 million people.

This is on top of the permanent bans of Natural News content from Twitter, YouTube, Pinterest, Google News, Apple and other techno-fascists that now represent the greatest threat to human freedom the world has ever seen.

The techno-fascists, including Wikipedia, have decided that no speech that questions any official narrative will be allowed on any platform. Anyone who questions the safety of toxic vaccines, 5G cell towers, geoengineering, chemotherapy or glyphosate weed killer chemicals is now maliciously attacked, smeared and de-platformed. You're not even allowed now to talk about nutrition, anti-cancer foods or nutritional supplements without being labeled a "vitamin" website accused of pushing fake cures. (That's right: The left-wing authoritarian tyrants are now anti-nutrition on top of everything else.)

Every website or individual who expresses any view of dissent against the corrupt scientific establishment is immediately labeled "fake news," even as the left-wing media routinely pushed total fabrications about President Trump and anyone who supports Trump.



As I have repeatedly pointed out, the tech giants and their CEOs are truly enemies of humanity.

Remember: As all this censorship is taking place, the tech giants somehow claim they aren't censoring anyone at all. They claim to have a monopoly on "facts" or "truth" and proclaim themselves to have the King's unique right to decide who gets to speak and who must be silenced. These criminals like Zuckerberg, Dorsey and Cook are un-elected, subject to zero transparency and offer no mechanism for due process whereby channels who are banned might defend themselves against unfair, dishonest smears or fake news attacks run by left-wing journo-terrorism hacks.

Haha, they literally got rid of that motto that some call them "Do Evil" now. 

Still, wishing those devs would eventually get involved in a competing project. I see many Youtubers mentioning Bitchute right now. That's nice but I think we need more than one alternative.

I doubt that they are.  People mostly move on and forget about stuff I think.  Probably many/most tech people in their hearts distrust and dislike the tech whales, and when your project and works are swallowed up you kind of expect the worst.  Eventually.  Plus, you always get your pay-out.  Back when Youtube was gobbled I imagine that a lot of them did see it as a growth path (which may have been unworkable without Google's strength due to network issues) and it was also the case that Google was kind of a different company back then I believe.  The 'don't be evil' thing probably really was the predominant attitude.  At least on the worker-bee level.  I doubt that very many people at all can bring themselves to even pretend on that one any more.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-10/facebook-has-banned-word-honk-violating-their-community-standards

If you can't see this is all about maintaining a propaganda narrative, you aren't paying attention.

This is an outcome of the recent Law that passed from the European Parliament about the copyrights.
Prolly youtube is trying to establish a new policy that it will affect all the Youtube community and not only the European one.

I am sure a lot of you have heard about this, but since the legacy media can't compete with the alternative media, they have opted to attack their ability to not only present their views, but earn a living from doing so. People are so hungry for truth and so tired of the old dried out turd that is the MSM, they literally can not compete with a guy in his garage on his web cam. This is only going to get worse, not just in the digital sphere, but in meat space.

They started with the fringes, now they are moving into quite main stream commentators. They are crafting a Communist style system of political correctness, and anyone who doesn't comply will be unpersoned and cut off from using the banking system, from transportation, from internet platforms, and even the ability to earn a living. Prepare yourselves, because when you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable.

Youtube is my the website I spend the most time on,  I wish there was a viable alternative but there really isn't.  Others have mentioned dtube but it heavily fails when put up against Youtube.  Some of my favorite creators already got demonetized by Youtube for speaking out against mainstream beliefs.  Anything they don't agree with is "hate speech" which is ridiculous.  

This is going to head to a Supreme Court decision on what these companies are and what they can do. Are they private companies, that can do anything they want?

You might have a point if it was not totally arbitrary how they enforce it. They are demonetizing totally innocuous videos and channels, meanwhile videos with actual calls to violence are still A-OK. This is opening them up to massive lawsuits among other things.

I'm not convinced "demonetization" is a problem.

The vacuum that's created when Youtube cuts off peoples' income stream creates a huge business opportunity for other startups.

The censorship will likely backfire.

This is going to head to a Supreme Court decision on what these companies are and what they can do. Are they private companies, that can do anything they want?

I don't think it's going to turn out that way, any more than a black man can be kicked out of a store because it's a "private business."

I hope they're not losing sleep at night seeing what's happening. Would be nice if people like those can band together and make an alternative. If some of the founders of these new platform are some of the original guys that developed Youtube, Google might have a hard time discrediting them since they can bad mouth Google, just like what Zuck's co-founder did recently.

I knew some of the guys who started Youtube.  Former co-workers of mine and decent folks.  They were legitimately proud of their accomplishments in creating the platform, and of the technical feats given that CPU and bandwidth dynamics were much different back then than they are today.

I knew some of the guys who started Youtube.  Former co-workers of mine and decent folks.  They were legitimately proud of their accomplishments in creating the platform, and of the technical feats given that CPU and bandwidth dynamics were much different back then than they are today.

Even some time after they were gobbled up by Google they maintained a fair degree of autonomy I think, and some pride and vision for the platform they created.

I have to guess that the originals are probably mostly gone.  That seems pretty common for startup personnel who are sucked in, and it tends to be the person's choice to move on.  If I had been one of the original Youtube people I'd now be spitting on the ground every time I heard the word given what Google has finally managed to do to the platform.  The only consultation is that it took them many many years to degenerate Youtube to it's current level.  The other consolation, of course, would be the big pay-day the people got, and probably the fond memories of the hectic period as a startup.

I bet the people who started Youtube never dreamed that the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith would be editing their content in order to protect the ethnic cleansing campaign in Palestine.  But there it is.

I see, this does make some sense. Though I still do think that they're going to be profitable for sometime. It seems like they're still able to get cable companies to pay more and more for their channels, which is even listed in the pew article you listed. I think that this could come under attack if viewership continues to falter (as licensing fee increases, may not always be able to cover advertising declines) and if people continue to move away from cable at a faster and faster rate then licensing fees are going to shrink.

This isn't just a problem with one news company though, this is something for EVERY channel.

I think you are forgetting you are dealing with people who are full of shit for a living. You might want to read these links explaining this paradox.


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/cutbacks-at-cnn-highlight-the-cable-news-paradox/

https://www.journalism.org/2014/03/26/audience-revenue/#fn-42401-12


They burnt their own reputability for those short term viewers, now is when they pay the piper. As the links explain they largely rely on licensing packages signed when they had much higher viewership. That will eventually change as the trend continues. In short, they are running on fumes of triumphs past.

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The formerly Do No Evil guys. The ones that caused a controversy by firing an employee over a memo about male and female differences. 
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Not true though, a good amount of media companies in the age of Trump -- which caused a LARGE spike in ratings and people watching, were able to turn some pretty large profits. Look at a company like CNN, who racked in $600m in operating profits for the year (https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/06/awful-ratings-record-profits-whats-cnns-secret/258477/)

Other companies are also pulling in some pretty hefty profits as well - NY Times https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-times-posts-higher-profit-adds-223-000-digital-subscribers-11557335720 and so on and so forth.

These companies aren't subsidized, they're making money.

I think both of you are largely missing the point. This is not about profit, this is about power and control. Just look at the classic corporate media. Are they profitable? Hell no. They are subsidized and exist because they serve and deliver certain narratives that give those in power more control. They do this at the cost of their reputation and their bottom line because they are now completely dependent on these subsidies. This is about maintaining propaganda, not profit. Everyone is losing their minds because Russia bought some Facefuck ads, meanwhile these companies are very openly meddling in our election process by silencing anything but the corporate mainstream narrative. I am sure it is just a total coincidence that so many of them are so cozy with China. BUT MUH RUSSIA COLLUSION!

EDIT: http://www.bitchute.com seems to be the leading alternative video platform of choice so far.
Related article: https://off-guardian.org/2019/06/05/youtubes-latest-purge/

I bet those cunts probably wanted to do it the day of, and some PR weasel had to talk them out of it.

It is incredibly ironic that Google announced their censorship only one day after the 30th anniversary of Tiananmen Square.

And who owns Youtube?

EDIT: http://www.bitchute.com seems to be the leading alternative video platform of choice so far.
Related article: https://off-guardian.org/2019/06/05/youtubes-latest-purge/

I think people have come to notice that no one on the internet is as good for video streaming. Youtube and Google may have their flaws, but all the good content is on youtube -- it's the only place you can go if you want to make any money making content.

The alternatives don't have that yet, you can't make any money at all on other platforms and their payments are shoddy at best (this is being compared to youtube competitors, not youtube live competitors like twitch)

Youtube should really open up their advertising platform, and allow people to make money with their own ads on their own video -- though I don't think Youtube wants this as it opens up an issue of if they should also be censoring the ads that are on their platform which arent their ads. Should they be taking a cut of these ads as well? I would think yes, but what's a fair number.

Many things to think about, and I don't think Google wants to spend the money at the moment to fix this issue -- they would rather just demonetize and move on. It's a lot easier and cheaper, less media coverage.

"Hate speech" is a really anti-freedom concept which too often amounts to just "unpopular speech". Unfortunately, a lot of people believe in the idea, on both the political left and right. In the end, YouTube may end up losing too many creators with these kinds of actions, and they may suffer financially for it. YouTube Premium's original series for example are all completely soulless corporate boardroom creations -- if that's what they envision as YouTube's future, then they're going to be out-competed eventually.

If I was YouTube, I would make in-house monetization much more selective, but give creators the ability to add their own advertising using the exact same systems (eg. text pop-ups, wait-5-seconds, sidebar ads, etc.) for a monthly fee dependent on the view count. Then all creators would have the option of negotiating ads out-of-band, and YouTube could more reasonably position itself as just a platform.

Are there any good YouTube alternatives? https://d.tube/ is one which seems vaguely decentralized, though its underlying steem and ipfs platforms are naïve "do the first thing which comes to mind" systems. I have zero confidence in the robustness of these systems, and it's not even a "perfect is the enemy of good" situation, since dtube is also pretty janky. It's disappointing, though I guess there just aren't enough people interested in this stuff to put enough man-hours into it.

I really doubt that YouTube is bad enough at this point for any centralized YouTube clone to become popular enough to be profitable. Delivering video is expensive, dealing with copyright complaints is expensive, and YouTube has the advantage of a huge historical library, a pretty good AI, and network effect. IMO you could throw $100 million at the problem and still not out-compete YouTube at this point, unfortunately.

Are there any good YouTube alternatives? https://d.tube/ is one which seems vaguely decentralized, though its underlying steem and ipfs platforms are naïve "do the first thing which comes to mind" systems. I have zero confidence in the robustness of these systems, and it's not even a "perfect is the enemy of good" situation, since dtube is also pretty janky. It's disappointing, though I guess there just aren't enough people interested in this stuff to put enough man-hours into it.

i think youtube just make the rule just for decreased number of amateur youtuber and keep the good quality youtuber to make them have money

Googlag

And who owns Youtube?

I am sure a lot of you have heard about this, but since the legacy media can't compete with the alternative media, they have opted to attack their ability to not only present their views, but earn a living from doing so. People are so hungry for truth and so tired of the old dried out turd that is the MSM, they literally can not compete with a guy in his garage on his web cam. This is only going to get worse, not just in the digital sphere, but in meat space.

They are crafting a Communist style system of political correctness, and anyone who doesn't comply will be unpersoned and cut off from using the banking system, from transportation, from internet platforms, and even the ability to earn a living. Prepare yourselves, because when you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable.