Well, that wraps up this match I knew that it would continue where they take off, Joe Joyce noticeably added some weight he is more defensive this time, but up to round two only then after that he resorts to his own self of attacking and that's his biggest mistake because Zhang is good in countering.
I hate to see Joyce losing this way it's an ugly loss something that Joyce will have to deal with for the rest of his fighting career if he wants to continue he needs to reflect and if possible get a good trainer and team to get him back on top, this is not going to be easy but we'll see more of Joyce because he is not retiring yet.
The spotlight is on Zhang after this sensational knockout, I'm sure Zhang will have a title shot, he si considering Fury but we'll see if this materializes after the match against Fury and Ngannou.
Topic: Zhang Vs Joyce II WBO Interim World Heavyweight Championship (Read 510 times)
September 24, 2023, 09:23:10 AM
I think Joyce's career is already over. I would love to see him fight Tyson Fury; both are clever, but I think Fury would win easily.
In his interview, he said that he would reflect and would come back again but this loss clearly exposes his weakness do you think he can beat the likes of Tyson Fury and Usyk the way he fights lack of head movement, he is easily hit, I don't know if he will have a chance to be a World champion again he needs to improve vastly.
Maybe he can be champion in England but I doubt if he can as a World Champion there are a lot of great boxers ahead of him and Zhang is not even the toughest in the heavyweight.
Joyce should be removed from the conversation; it should be Zhang who will be fighting Fury because he is the champion, and it will be the unification bout that will happen. Fury is the current WBC champion, while Zhang holds the WBO title, making it a great fight to witness.
Maybe Joyce will be given an opportunity to fight a non-champion, like Wilder or Joshua, but I doubt he would win against either of the two.
Joyce is already 38 years old, not young anymore, so I expect that we are already witnessing the end of his career.
WBO can mandate both for unification. We have not seen that happen for a long time, it's gonna be big but it's one heck of a history if we see a Chinese HW to be the baddest on the planet. Fury is fighting Ngannou next month, however.
And I'm not sure if those boxing organizations are ready to see that happening. Let's say they want it to happen, Zhang will probably request the fight to be in China. Xi Jinping would love to butt in and you can be sure of a 100% win by Zhang.
September 24, 2023, 09:00:39 AM
I think Joyce's career is already over. I would love to see him fight Tyson Fury; both are clever, but I think Fury would win easily.
In his interview, he said that he would reflect and would come back again but this loss clearly exposes his weakness do you think he can beat the likes of Tyson Fury and Usyk the way he fights lack of head movement, he is easily hit, I don't know if he will have a chance to be a World champion again he needs to improve vastly.
Maybe he can be champion in England but I doubt if he can as a World Champion there are a lot of great boxers ahead of him and Zhang is not even the toughest in the heavyweight.
Joyce should be removed from the conversation; it should be Zhang who will be fighting Fury because he is the champion, and it will be the unification bout that will happen. Fury is the current WBC champion, while Zhang holds the WBO title, making it a great fight to witness.
Maybe Joyce will be given an opportunity to fight a non-champion, like Wilder or Joshua, but I doubt he would win against either of the two.
Joyce is already 38 years old, not young anymore, so I expect that we are already witnessing the end of his career.
September 24, 2023, 08:59:00 AM
It seems that the boxing community here has predicted it right, Zhang by KO, those who voted got it 85% and hopefully they got the win here as the odds are very close if I'm not mistaken.
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
Not me. I truly believe the first fight was just a fluke. But Joyce looks very scared already even in the first round. That right hook was planned, Zhang knew he was about to KO Joyce.
It's a good thing that I have not seen this thread up yesterday for I would have bet for Joyce to win thinking Zhang's win was just a lucky win due to Joyce's eyesight. I was focused on UFC FFight Night.
Joyce did not say anything about retiring but I think this is his last already.
Good for you mate, at least you didn't get some money to lose on Joyce here. But it seems that Joyce is still affected mentally by the first fight because he has been reluctant to throw his power punches, and very defensive as others have noted.
And so it's hard to overcome if you are afraid to throw your shots and just play defense because it won't work. And then Zhang really goes off in the 3rd round and Joyce had no answer. He try with his jabs, but it was not sharp enough to even stop Zhang from taking his offense and it was a perfect shot and I don't see him recovering from that huge right, it was a perfect counter. Joyce might have to take a rest for the rest of the year and re-group.
Joyce was tagged in the 2nd round also, it broke the spirit in him. Even if he gets up after the KO in the 3rd round, he will not last a second if the referee allows the fight to continue. He was flat face down after a huge boulder hit his face. He may look like he instantly recovered but the referee understood, it's time to stop or Joyce will embarrass himself.
Quite a fight. I would have enjoyed it more if I just watched it live. Ngannou vs Zhang is a bit early to talk about but I would be rooting for Ngannou. I'm a fan.
September 24, 2023, 08:45:50 AM
I think Joyce's career is already over. I would love to see him fight Tyson Fury; both are clever, but I think Fury would win easily.
In his interview, he said that he would reflect and would come back again but this loss clearly exposes his weakness do you think he can beat the likes of Tyson Fury and Usyk the way he fights lack of head movement, he is easily hit, I don't know if he will have a chance to be a World champion again he needs to improve vastly.
Maybe he can be champion in England but I doubt if he can as a World Champion there are a lot of great boxers ahead of him and Zhang is not even the toughest in the heavyweight.
September 24, 2023, 07:11:10 AM
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
I agree with your observation Joyce did not show something different, he concentrated on his defense but when Zhang started to hit the target he resorted to being himself going toe-to-toe hoping that would stop Zhang's offense, unfortunately, Zhang was prepared because he could take Joyce's power, Zhang speed and power could match Tyson Fury's style so it's going to be an exciting fight I hope this match materialize.
We love to see two big guys with almost the same style as they always say style makes a fight so a Tyson = Zhang fight is going to be worth watching.
Joyce thought that Zhang was just lucky when they first met, so he didn't make an adjustment. He was very slow, probably just relying on his power, but Zhang knows how to counter him. It's a pity that we didn't see this fight last longer; it ended early with a dominant win by Zhang. Last time it went 6 rounds, this time it was just 3 rounds. I think we need to see a unification fight because Zhang is already 40 years old and nearing retirement.
September 24, 2023, 06:13:05 AM
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
I agree with your observation Joyce did not show something different, he concentrated on his defense but when Zhang started to hit the target he resorted to being himself going toe-to-toe hoping that would stop Zhang's offense, unfortunately, Zhang was prepared because he could take Joyce's power, Zhang speed and power could match Tyson Fury's style so it's going to be an exciting fight I hope this match materialize.
We love to see two big guys with almost the same style as they always say style makes a fight so a Tyson = Zhang fight is going to be worth watching.
September 24, 2023, 04:36:56 AM
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
I agree with your observation Joyce did not show something different, he concentrated on his defense but when Zhang started to hit the target he resorted to being himself going toe-to-toe hoping that would stop Zhang's offense, unfortunately, Zhang was prepared because he could take Joyce's power, Zhang speed and power could match Tyson Fury's style so it's going to be an exciting fight I hope this match materialize.
We love to see two big guys with almost the same style as they always say style makes a fight so a Tyson = Zhang fight is going to be worth watching.
September 24, 2023, 04:07:48 AM
It seems that the boxing community here has predicted it right, Zhang by KO, those who voted got it 85% and hopefully they got the win here as the odds are very close if I'm not mistaken.
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
Not me. I truly believe the first fight was just a fluke. But Joyce looks very scared already even in the first round. That right hook was planned, Zhang knew he was about to KO Joyce.
It's a good thing that I have not seen this thread up yesterday for I would have bet for Joyce to win thinking Zhang's win was just a lucky win due to Joyce's eyesight. I was focused on UFC FFight Night.
Joyce did not say anything about retiring but I think this is his last already.
Good for you mate, at least you didn't get some money to lose on Joyce here. But it seems that Joyce is still affected mentally by the first fight because he has been reluctant to throw his power punches, and very defensive as others have noted.
And so it's hard to overcome if you are afraid to throw your shots and just play defense because it won't work. And then Zhang really goes off in the 3rd round and Joyce had no answer. He try with his jabs, but it was not sharp enough to even stop Zhang from taking his offense and it was a perfect shot and I don't see him recovering from that huge right, it was a perfect counter. Joyce might have to take a rest for the rest of the year and re-group.
September 24, 2023, 03:30:20 AM
It seems that the boxing community here has predicted it right, Zhang by KO, those who voted got it 85% and hopefully they got the win here as the odds are very close if I'm not mistaken.
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
Not me. I truly believe the first fight was just a fluke. But Joyce looks very scared already even in the first round. That right hook was planned, Zhang knew he was about to KO Joyce.
It's a good thing that I have not seen this thread up yesterday for I would have bet for Joyce to win thinking Zhang's win was just a lucky win due to Joyce's eyesight. I was focused on UFC FFight Night.
Joyce did not say anything about retiring but I think this is his last already.
The fight was ugly for Joyce he was not doing anything right he was trying but he had a hard time with Southpaws and he admitted that, in the first fight Zhang dominated Joyce and imposed his will here in the second fight he dominated him again but this time he is more precise patiently wait for him.
Joyce is not going to retire he wants to take time and reflect on these losses he is taking another route going to the top he did not elaborate he is open to a rematch against Dubois, let's see if it's going to happen, Zhang will have to wait after the Fury - Ngannou match before they offer a deal to Tyson.
September 24, 2023, 02:16:15 AM
It seems that the boxing community here has predicted it right, Zhang by KO, those who voted got it 85% and hopefully they got the win here as the odds are very close if I'm not mistaken.
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
Not me. I truly believe the first fight was just a fluke. But Joyce looks very scared already even in the first round. That right hook was planned, Zhang knew he was about to KO Joyce.
It's a good thing that I have not seen this thread up yesterday for I would have bet for Joyce to win thinking Zhang's win was just a lucky win due to Joyce's eyesight. I was focused on UFC FFight Night.
Joyce did not say anything about retiring but I think this is his last already.
September 24, 2023, 01:46:04 AM
It seems that the boxing community here has predicted it right, Zhang by KO, those who voted got it 85% and hopefully they got the win here as the odds are very close if I'm not mistaken.
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
And if I'm going to describe the performance of Zhang, it's methodical, he just wait and stalk and see what Joyce will offer to him in the first couple of rounds. And after his read, he started to work, body shots to confused Joyce early and hit he target practice Joyce chin with that big right hand. I thought that it will be the uppercut that might closed the show, but still Zhang for the KO win.
Here is the video of the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0miye3rYs
September 23, 2023, 10:31:56 PM
Zhang retains his interim heavyweight title by KO in round 3. The Chinese fighter had a much easier night than their previous match. Zhang is slow and technically deficient but Joyce had no defense and ate too many heavy punches which he was not able to resist. He is still Usyk's mandatory but I see his possibilities of winning as very slim. At 40 years old he is not going to improve enough to beat a top pound for pound fighter.
And I think the strategy of Joyce or at least from this trainer perspective is for him to gain extra pounds, as he weight281.2 pounds, 25.2 pounds heavier than he was for their first fight.
They think that adding more pounds might help Joyce absorb that power. But it just makes him slow, and most likely not playing defense because again, he thinks that he can just take that power and not be affected by it. They are completely wrong as there's no doubt that Zhang has power and it seems they still underestimated him in the rematch.
The way I see it, Joyce is thinking too much of defense. He became too focused on having to protect his eyes, his left face. Although he's moving according to plan, that plan is basically all about defense. He's moving left all the time, and very consciously, thinking carefully not to stray away from that strategy, to be always safe from Zhang's powerful left.
I couldn't see how they're actually planning to hurt Zhang and shake him and destroy whatever offensive game plan they have in mind. By focusing too much on defense, it made Zhang very comfortable. He's not attacked. He's left free to devise a plan. And then Joyce got killed by a right.
I would say in the first 2 rounds, yes, he was all for defense and Joyce tucked his chin under that right hand. But Zhang noticed it and so he goes to the body but still throws much of his punch in the face to open up Joyce and I think there's blood coming from the nose of Joyce just after 2 rounds.
But in round 3 in was totally different Joyce, all strategy was thrown out in the window. He try to go toe to toe and I would say that he has success. Until in the last seconds of round 3 wherein that looping or straight right hand of Zhang connected perfectly and Joyce just go down in the canvass and wasn't able to beat the count. And even if he beats it, he was damage again and it's just a matter of time before Zhang can knock him out for good.
September 23, 2023, 10:25:03 PM
Zhang retains his interim heavyweight title by KO in round 3. The Chinese fighter had a much easier night than their previous match. Zhang is slow and technically deficient but Joyce had no defense and ate too many heavy punches which he was not able to resist. He is still Usyk's mandatory but I see his possibilities of winning as very slim. At 40 years old he is not going to improve enough to beat a top pound for pound fighter.
And I think the strategy of Joyce or at least from this trainer perspective is for him to gain extra pounds, as he weight281.2 pounds, 25.2 pounds heavier than he was for their first fight.
They think that adding more pounds might help Joyce absorb that power. But it just makes him slow, and most likely not playing defense because again, he thinks that he can just take that power and not be affected by it. They are completely wrong as there's no doubt that Zhang has power and it seems they still underestimated him in the rematch.
The way I see it, Joyce is thinking too much of defense. He became too focused on having to protect his eyes, his left face. Although he's moving according to plan, that plan is basically all about defense. He's moving left all the time, and very consciously, thinking carefully not to stray away from that strategy, to be always safe from Zhang's powerful left.
I couldn't see how they're actually planning to hurt Zhang and shake him and destroy whatever offensive game plan they have in mind. By focusing too much on defense, it made Zhang very comfortable. He's not attacked. He's left free to devise a plan. And then Joyce got killed by a right.
September 23, 2023, 10:11:22 PM
Zhang retains his interim heavyweight title by KO in round 3. The Chinese fighter had a much easier night than their previous match. Zhang is slow and technically deficient but Joyce had no defense and ate too many heavy punches which he was not able to resist. He is still Usyk's mandatory but I see his possibilities of winning as very slim. At 40 years old he is not going to improve enough to beat a top pound for pound fighter.
And I think the strategy of Joyce or at least from this trainer perspective is for him to gain extra pounds, as he weight281.2 pounds, 25.2 pounds heavier than he was for their first fight.
They think that adding more pounds might help Joyce absorb that power. But it just makes him slow, and most likely not playing defense because again, he thinks that he can just take that power and not be affected by it. They are completely wrong as there's no doubt that Zhang has power and it seems they still underestimated him in the rematch.
September 23, 2023, 09:49:18 PM
Zhang retains his interim heavyweight title by KO in round 3. The Chinese fighter had a much easier night than their previous match. Zhang is slow and technically deficient but Joyce had no defense and ate too many heavy punches which he was not able to resist. He is still Usyk's mandatory but I see his possibilities of winning as very slim. At 40 years old he is not going to improve enough to beat a top pound for pound fighter.
Wow, in just 3 rounds? I don't think that Joyce can come back from this crushing defeat, and it just shows that although Zhang is old, his style might be very difficult for Joyce.
So it's over for the hype on Joyce now, no more big money fights for him at the HW for the meantime. On the other hand, it is good to see Zhang pair against top HW like Usyk or maybe Dubois for another stepping stone fight.
September 23, 2023, 06:37:20 PM
Zhang retains his interim heavyweight title by KO in round 3. The Chinese fighter had a much easier night than their previous match. Zhang is slow and technically deficient but Joyce had no defense and ate too many heavy punches which he was not able to resist. He is still Usyk's mandatory but I see his possibilities of winning as very slim. At 40 years old he is not going to improve enough to beat a top pound for pound fighter.
The fight takes off where they left it in their first match but this time Zhang is more accurate with his punches and the added weight does not do good for Joyce he is slow and his punches are telepathic I just knew on the first minute of the round that it's going to be a short fight.
Joyce has no confidence in his punches and he has a hard time seeing those punches coming, so it's going to be Usyk-Zhang I think Zhang has a better chance than Dubois I'll be looking for that fight, and as for Joyce his rating will drop and his career will have a backseat his not a top contender anymore for World title.
September 23, 2023, 05:31:02 PM
Zhang retains his interim heavyweight title by KO in round 3. The Chinese fighter had a much easier night than their previous match. Zhang is slow and technically deficient but Joyce had no defense and ate too many heavy punches which he was not able to resist. He is still Usyk's mandatory but I see his possibilities of winning as very slim. At 40 years old he is not going to improve enough to beat a top pound for pound fighter.
September 22, 2023, 09:57:55 AM
On paper, Joyce is the superior boxer, but the outcome of the first fight has added an element of unpredictability. With the odds now even, bettors who believe in Joyce's comeback have a good opportunity. A knockout is quite likely, which should also make the odds more enticing.
In one interview Joyce admitted that he was surprised by Zhang's power, but he announced that he is very much prepared for this fight and he added weight to come heavier on their rematch a lot has been taken away from Joyce after that upset so we'll see if what he has learned and what he added is enough to beat Zhang.
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Joe Joyce insists he “knows what to do this time around” in his rematch against Zhilei Zhang and is more focused after losing his status as an "indestructible juggernaut".
https://www.eurosport.com/boxing/i-know-what-to-do-this-time-joe-joyce-more-dedicated-and-focused-for-zhilei-zhang-rematch_sto9792124/story.shtml
Previously Joyce had 14 TKO wins and he had the opportunity to become the mandatory challenger for Oleksandr Usyk but after the first defeat everything was taken away by Zhang and tomorrow will be the last chance for Joyce to regain what he has.
In this rematch many people think or make Joyce the favorite to win the match but I will not have decisions or thoughts like that.
It would be best to watch the first few rounds before deciding to take the betting option on who will finish the fight victorious.
A TKO finish is unlikely to happen in this fight.
September 22, 2023, 09:17:17 AM
Just to be fair with Zhang though, he did his jab in the first fight, and that's why Joyce has blood in his face because Zhang has a stiff jab and Joyce didn't try to avoid it.
He thought that he can just steamroll and take his shots but he was all wrong because it has power behind and maybe we can say that he underestimated the Chinese.
So it's very unpredictable in the first fight, but Joyce is trying to bounce back and put his name again for at least a title shot.
And with that, he should have learn his lessons from the first fight and make the necessary adjustments.
He thought that he can just steamroll and take his shots but he was all wrong because it has power behind and maybe we can say that he underestimated the Chinese.
So it's very unpredictable in the first fight, but Joyce is trying to bounce back and put his name again for at least a title shot.
And with that, he should have learn his lessons from the first fight and make the necessary adjustments.
Now that Joyce has seen what beat him, I think Zhang will also make adjustments, possibly in-game adjustments, as he doesn't want to lose this fight. He's still underestimated up to this point, so if he beats Joyce in the second fight, people will recognize him as a true champion. I'm excited to see what Joyce can do in the rematch, but I'm pretty sure Zhang has also prepared for this.
Yes, same here, and looking at the odds, it's now Zhang as the slight favorite in this fight, in contract in their first fight wherein Joyce is the outstanding favorite. Nevertheless, Joyce can take this and turn it as a motivation for him to chance the outcome of the second fight in his favor.
Just wondering though if Joyce win, will there be another fight to settle the score? Or it is enough for Joyce to bounce back and put his name as the next HW fighter or face the champion next?
September 22, 2023, 02:49:58 AM
Just to be fair with Zhang though, he did his jab in the first fight, and that's why Joyce has blood in his face because Zhang has a stiff jab and Joyce didn't try to avoid it.
He thought that he can just steamroll and take his shots but he was all wrong because it has power behind and maybe we can say that he underestimated the Chinese.
So it's very unpredictable in the first fight, but Joyce is trying to bounce back and put his name again for at least a title shot.
And with that, he should have learn his lessons from the first fight and make the necessary adjustments.
He thought that he can just steamroll and take his shots but he was all wrong because it has power behind and maybe we can say that he underestimated the Chinese.
So it's very unpredictable in the first fight, but Joyce is trying to bounce back and put his name again for at least a title shot.
And with that, he should have learn his lessons from the first fight and make the necessary adjustments.
Now that Joyce has seen what beat him, I think Zhang will also make adjustments, possibly in-game adjustments, as he doesn't want to lose this fight. He's still underestimated up to this point, so if he beats Joyce in the second fight, people will recognize him as a true champion. I'm excited to see what Joyce can do in the rematch, but I'm pretty sure Zhang has also prepared for this.
September 21, 2023, 03:33:26 PM
By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.
I almost forgot this thread that I created on the Zhang - Joyce match yes, I agree with you most of the rematches just pick out where they left off in the first three rounds we can see if there's an improvement on Joyce and Zhang will still dominate the jabs, Zhang Jabs is very dominant on their first match I was in awe how that jabs went through Joyce faces.
Everyone was shocked by the outcome but more so in the first round when Zhang established his dominance.
Let's see if the first round will the like the first round of their first fight.
Could this fight turn out like Fury vs. Wilder? On paper, Joyce is the superior boxer, but the outcome of the first fight has added an element of unpredictability. With the odds now even, bettors who believe in Joyce's comeback have a good opportunity. A knockout is quite likely, which should also make the odds more enticing.
Joyce has the upper hand even in their first encounter. It was just Zhang's lucky day when the blood blocked his vision of Joyce causing him to receive more blows from Zhang.
If Joyce still loses for the 2nd time proving Zhang can damage, I sure will not know what excuse to say here. But still his bad luck day.
On records, Joyce has the KO power but I guess the experience counts as Zhang started his career way earlier than Joe.
Just to be fair with Zhang though, he did his jab in the first fight, and that's why Joyce has blood in his face because Zhang has a stiff jab and Joyce didn't try to avoid it.
He thought that he can just steamroll and take his shots but he was all wrong because it has power behind and maybe we can say that he underestimated the Chinese.
So it's very unpredictable in the first fight, but Joyce is trying to bounce back and put his name again for at least a title shot.
And with that, he should have learn his lessons from the first fight and make the necessary adjustments.
September 21, 2023, 12:15:55 PM
By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.
I almost forgot this thread that I created on the Zhang - Joyce match yes, I agree with you most of the rematches just pick out where they left off in the first three rounds we can see if there's an improvement on Joyce and Zhang will still dominate the jabs, Zhang Jabs is very dominant on their first match I was in awe how that jabs went through Joyce faces.
Everyone was shocked by the outcome but more so in the first round when Zhang established his dominance.
Let's see if the first round will the like the first round of their first fight.
Could this fight turn out like Fury vs. Wilder? On paper, Joyce is the superior boxer, but the outcome of the first fight has added an element of unpredictability. With the odds now even, bettors who believe in Joyce's comeback have a good opportunity. A knockout is quite likely, which should also make the odds more enticing.
Joyce has the upper hand even in their first encounter. It was just Zhang's lucky day when the blood blocked his vision of Joyce causing him to receive more blows from Zhang.
If Joyce still loses for the 2nd time proving Zhang can damage, I sure will not know what excuse to say here. But still his bad luck day.
On records, Joyce has the KO power but I guess the experience counts as Zhang started his career way earlier than Joe.
September 21, 2023, 11:49:11 AM
On paper, Joyce is the superior boxer, but the outcome of the first fight has added an element of unpredictability. With the odds now even, bettors who believe in Joyce's comeback have a good opportunity. A knockout is quite likely, which should also make the odds more enticing.
In one interview Joyce admitted that he was surprised by Zhang's power, but he announced that he is very much prepared for this fight and he added weight to come heavier on their rematch a lot has been taken away from Joyce after that upset so we'll see if what he has learned and what he added is enough to beat Zhang.
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Joe Joyce insists he “knows what to do this time around” in his rematch against Zhilei Zhang and is more focused after losing his status as an "indestructible juggernaut".
https://www.eurosport.com/boxing/i-know-what-to-do-this-time-joe-joyce-more-dedicated-and-focused-for-zhilei-zhang-rematch_sto9792124/story.shtml
September 19, 2023, 09:03:07 PM
By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.
I almost forgot this thread that I created on the Zhang - Joyce match yes, I agree with you most of the rematches just pick out where they left off in the first three rounds we can see if there's an improvement on Joyce and Zhang will still dominate the jabs, Zhang Jabs is very dominant on their first match I was in awe how that jabs went through Joyce faces.
Everyone was shocked by the outcome but more so in the first round when Zhang established his dominance.
Let's see if the first round will the like the first round of their first fight.
Could this fight turn out like Fury vs. Wilder? On paper, Joyce is the superior boxer, but the outcome of the first fight has added an element of unpredictability. With the odds now even, bettors who believe in Joyce's comeback have a good opportunity. A knockout is quite likely, which should also make the odds more enticing.
September 19, 2023, 05:50:15 PM
By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.
I almost forgot this thread that I created on the Zhang - Joyce match yes, I agree with you most of the rematches just pick out where they left off.
In the first three rounds we can see if there's an improvement in Joyce and Zhang will still dominate the jabs, Zhang Jabs is very dominant in their first match I was in awe of how those jabs went through Joyce's face.
Everyone was shocked by the outcome but more so in the first round when Zhang established his dominance.
Let's see if the first round will the like the first round of their first fight.
September 19, 2023, 10:21:09 AM
This fight is just four days away, and I'm quite surprised that 85% of the poll voters here believe that Zhang will once again win via KO. Judging by the odds, it's a close fight, and given that both boxers are KO artists, it's unlikely to go the full 12 rounds. It would be a nice redemption story if Joyce can come through and potentially set up a trilogy, ensuring that his career doesn't falter after a promising start.
Joyce is in a very dire situation he needs to win here if possible via knockout or total dominance to avoid a trilogy, if he can do this he can set his eyes on the Championship belts being held by Tyson Fury and Usyk, but if he losses that could be the end of his career or he will have a very hard climb going to the top, Zhang will have the confidence here because in his last fight its obvious that he can take Joyce's punches while Joyce was hurting when Zhang landed his punches.
Let's see if things will be different now on their coming second fight.
September 19, 2023, 09:53:50 AM
This fight is just four days away, and I'm quite surprised that 85% of the poll voters here believe that Zhang will once again win via KO. Judging by the odds, it's a close fight, and given that both boxers are KO artists, it's unlikely to go the full 12 rounds. It would be a nice redemption story if Joyce can come through and potentially set up a trilogy, ensuring that his career doesn't falter after a promising start.
If he learned from the previous fight. He gotta work out his head movement, it becomes an easy target for Zhang. HW guys can shock a cow even when it's a slowmo punch. He wasn't very defensive, he ate the jabs with a warm welcome but of course, it was all because of his right eye.
By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.
September 19, 2023, 09:14:12 AM
This fight is just four days away, and I'm quite surprised that 85% of the poll voters here believe that Zhang will once again win via KO. Judging by the odds, it's a close fight, and given that both boxers are KO artists, it's unlikely to go the full 12 rounds. It would be a nice redemption story if Joyce can come through and potentially set up a trilogy, ensuring that his career doesn't falter after a promising start.
On the latest update on the fight, this is the undercard on this rematch
MAIN EVENT: Joe Joyce vs Zhilei Zhang - for WBO 'Interim' heavyweight title
Anthony Yarde vs Ricky Summers
Pierce O'Leary vs Kane Gardner
Zach Parker vs TBA
Ezra Taylor vs Joel McIntyre
There are some fighters that should be fighting in the undercard and it will soon be announced as they are looking for good matchups for the undercard, at least six names in the undercard but there's still no name who they are going to fight I'll update this when the undercards are finalized.
MAIN EVENT: Joe Joyce vs Zhilei Zhang - for WBO 'Interim' heavyweight title
Anthony Yarde vs Ricky Summers
Pierce O'Leary vs Kane Gardner
Zach Parker vs TBA
Ezra Taylor vs Joel McIntyre
There are some fighters that should be fighting in the undercard and it will soon be announced as they are looking for good matchups for the undercard, at least six names in the undercard but there's still no name who they are going to fight I'll update this when the undercards are finalized.
He won't be an underdog because he won in their first fight. Although we may say that it's an upset win, the bookies had already adjusted for it since people already believe that Zhang is the real deal. Zhang is not fighting a fighter who has won a championship before, so that further solidifies why he is the favorite now.
And Zhang won it convincingly I used to believe that Joyce is ready to be a champion until he fought Zhang, Joyce is so good with his jabs when he fought Dubois but its nowhere to be seen when he fought Zhang he is intimidated by Zhang's punches.
If Zhang wins again he will become a serious threat to both Usyk and Fury but if Joyce wins I expect a third match to even the score unless Joyce wins by a knockout or stoppage if it's a decision the fans and Zhang will demand a third fight.
We are going to find out after this fight. Zhang's name has emerged seemingly out of nowhere because he wasn't as popular as Fury and Wilder. Now, he is already a champion and will attempt to prove that his first win was not merely due to luck. If he wins by knockout once again, I'm certain his name will generate a buzz in the heavyweight division, opening up significant opportunities for him in another championship fight.
Perhaps Zhang vs Usyk next, which would be enjoyable.
He won't be an underdog because he won in their first fight. Although we may say that it's an upset win, the bookies had already adjusted for it since people already believe that Zhang is the real deal. Zhang is not fighting a fighter who has won a championship before, so that further solidifies why he is the favorite now.
And Zhang won it convincingly I used to believe that Joyce is ready to be a champion until he fought Zhang, Joyce is so good with his jabs when he fought Dubois but its nowhere to be seen when he fought Zhang he is intimidated by Zhang's punches.
If Zhang wins again he will become a serious threat to both Usyk and Fury but if Joyce wins I expect a third match to even the score unless Joyce wins by a knockout or stoppage if it's a decision the fans and Zhang will demand a third fight.
joyce may be the favourite on their first match, but on this second one, zhang may come up as slight favourite by bookies. but i guess, a lot will still place their bets on joyce for the second bout.
Yes, Zhang is now a slight favorite, as indicated by the odds on https://box.live/boxing-betting/zhang-vs-joyce-ii-odds/. The odds for Zhang to win are (-140), while Joyce is listed at (+100). Let's see what unfolds. Personally, I initially thought Zhang would be the underdog, but with these odds, I might lean towards picking Joyce to win. joyce may be the favourite on their first match, but on this second one, zhang may come up as slight favourite by bookies. but i guess, a lot will still place their bets on joyce for the second bout.
Yes, Zhang is now a slight favorite, as indicated by the odds on https://box.live/boxing-betting/zhang-vs-joyce-ii-odds/. The odds for Zhang to win are (-140), while Joyce is listed at (+100). Let's see what unfolds. Personally, I initially thought Zhang would be the underdog, but with these odds, I might lean towards picking Joyce to win. 
Zhang did it well. Not a fluke for sure but this is with the advantage that Joyce's vision in his right eye is not very clear after a blow. That one shot give him the advantage to win. He didn't even KO Jyce but the doc stopped the fight because even the ref sees the guy is not fit to fight anymore.
Credit is given though. He fought well even from the start. He throws counter and he is also big which is sure his fists carries weight.
Joyce was caught by surprise if you analyze the fight, especially the first round you can see that his jabs and punches are blocked and Zhang's punches got in, and he has no response to that, the first round set up the pace for the whole fight, and second round and onwards its all Zhang, Joyce team did not do their assignment in the first fight and they better be now, because their fighters is on the brink of losing everything he worked for so many years.
I still do not want to count out Joyce, he'll be better this time and if the fight is exciting like the first one and Joyce got the win, we may have a trilogy, who knows so let's see.
as joyce's camp knows better this time, they may cover all angles this time. i am seeing a trilogy here if joyce will indeed win this time. but of course, zhang knows what he's up to, so yeah, we may see a very good fight for this as both camps would want to win. joyce may be the favourite on their first match, but on this second one, zhang may come up as slight favourite by bookies. but i guess, a lot will still place their bets on joyce for the second bout.
Zhang did it well. Not a fluke for sure but this is with the advantage that Joyce's vision in his right eye is not very clear after a blow. That one shot give him the advantage to win. He didn't even KO Jyce but the doc stopped the fight because even the ref sees the guy is not fit to fight anymore.
Credit is given though. He fought well even from the start. He throws counter and he is also big which is sure his fists carries weight.
Joyce was caught by surprise if you analyze the fight, especially the first round you can see that his jabs and punches are blocked and Zhang's punches got in, and he has no response to that, the first round set up the pace for the whole fight, and second round and onwards its all Zhang, Joyce team did not do their assignment in the first fight and they better be now, because their fighters is on the brink of losing everything he worked for so many years.
I still do not want to count out Joyce, he'll be better this time and if the fight is exciting like the first one and Joyce got the win, we may have a trilogy, who knows so let's see.
...Zhang will prove that he deserves to be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight.
Zhang can't be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight division because he isn't on their level. He stays where he matters and be competitive.
Maybe he was just too complacent and think ahead of his fight with Tyson Fury.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
Lol. Let's be realistic and accept the fact that Zhang will never ever be given a match against Tyson Fury. If this Chinese old man is thinking he will defeat Joyce the second time around so that he will be having a huge payday when he finally faces Fury, then he is having an illusion. He better just fight and defeat any opponent for its own sake rather than dreaming of a fight against the gypsy king.
He should have entered the scene much earlier with his record and perhaps he could have gotten the attention of anybody from the top.
you're underestimating Zhang a lot to the point of thinking that he won't have a chance to win this fight, but you're forgetting that Zhang already beat Joe Joyce and if you look at the Highlights just to remember well that Zhang didn't win the fight for being lucky, you can see it here in this video that is well summarizing the fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QNhi7voF7Q
you can see that Zhang defended himself better, Zhang was much more effective in his attacks, Joe Joyce was taking a lot of punches and at some point he was a little unbalanced although he recovered quickly and didn't fall, while Joe Joyce's punches they hit zhang's body and zhang's arms when he defended himself, on the other side zhang managed to land his punches on joe's face, just see that at the end of the fight joe's face is much more hurt than even at some point the referee had to grab joe's face
and tell him to close one eye and then open it and then see the other eye and conclude that the wounds were too bad for joe to keep fighting, and see that zhang has a normal face, so of course zhang can win again , one should not underestimate the zhanga who has already won once and can win again, the most likely scenario that happens here is that joe will have difficulties in winning or then losing again
Zhang did it well. Not a fluke for sure but this is with the advantage that Joyce's vision in his right eye is not very clear after a blow. That one shot give him the advantage to win. He didn't even KO Jyce but the doc stopped the fight because even the ref sees the guy is not fit to fight anymore.
Credit is given though. He fought well even from the start. He throws counter and he is also big which is sure his fists carries weight.
...Zhang will prove that he deserves to be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight.
Zhang can't be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight division because he isn't on their level. He stays where he matters and be competitive.
Maybe he was just too complacent and think ahead of his fight with Tyson Fury.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
Lol. Let's be realistic and accept the fact that Zhang will never ever be given a match against Tyson Fury. If this Chinese old man is thinking he will defeat Joyce the second time around so that he will be having a huge payday when he finally faces Fury, then he is having an illusion. He better just fight and defeat any opponent for its own sake rather than dreaming of a fight against the gypsy king.
He should have entered the scene much earlier with his record and perhaps he could have gotten the attention of anybody from the top.
you're underestimating Zhang a lot to the point of thinking that he won't have a chance to win this fight, but you're forgetting that Zhang already beat Joe Joyce and if you look at the Highlights just to remember well that Zhang didn't win the fight for being lucky, you can see it here in this video that is well summarizing the fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QNhi7voF7Q
you can see that Zhang defended himself better, Zhang was much more effective in his attacks, Joe Joyce was taking a lot of punches and at some point he was a little unbalanced although he recovered quickly and didn't fall, while Joe Joyce's punches they hit zhang's body and zhang's arms when he defended himself, on the other side zhang managed to land his punches on joe's face, just see that at the end of the fight joe's face is much more hurt than even at some point the referee had to grab joe's face
and tell him to close one eye and then open it and then see the other eye and conclude that the wounds were too bad for joe to keep fighting, and see that zhang has a normal face, so of course zhang can win again , one should not underestimate the zhanga who has already won once and can win again, the most likely scenario that happens here is that joe will have difficulties in winning or then losing again
Looks like everyone is rooting for Zhang to win by KO. The first encounter was a major upset, yet most voters still believe that Zhang can replicate the type of victory he had in the first fight. I'm curious about how Joyce will prepare for this fight, and I hope he can bounce back so we can witness a trilogy.
I see this fight as similar to the Joshua vs Andy Ruiz fight, where the former was able to redeem himself in the rematch.
I see this fight as similar to the Joshua vs Andy Ruiz fight, where the former was able to redeem himself in the rematch.
Maybe but it will still depends on Joyce here and for sure he has a lot of pressure in his shoulder, more than in the first fight. Obviously, he might be overlooking Zhang in the first because he is looking forward to another big pay day fight.
But now, he is in a must win situation, so pressure has doubled.
So with that, he really needs to prepare 100% here and not make the same mistakes so that he can redeem or maybe with a trilogy, of a big fight with either Tyson Fury or even Anthony Joshua next. So everything rest on him here.
I doubt Zhang can win again, I think he was just lucky to have pricked Joyce's eyes that lucky day.
I hope that's how the bookmakers see this particular fight, so the odds in fight number 1 will still be the same in the rematch. This would give the bettors a huge opportunity to bet on the underdog with very attractive moneyline odds or the KO odds as well. Not used to seeing Chinese being a boxing champ, very surprising that he once upset a fight against an African American with a 93% KO rate. He must be special. He'll gonna have to prove it twice though. Despite Joyce's loss in their first fight, he is still the favorite in this match.
Was intrigued so I watched their first, though slow Zhang can actually counter but I think it's Joyce's eyes that cause his loss. He was hit over and over in that right eye. If he can avoid that in this 2nd fight, he will be the victor.
Was intrigued so I watched their first, though slow Zhang can actually counter but I think it's Joyce's eyes that cause his loss. He was hit over and over in that right eye. If he can avoid that in this 2nd fight, he will be the victor.
Yeah, no one saw a 40 year old Chinese HW beat a prime boxer in Joyce.
Zhang battered that eyes and shut it down causing the referee to intervene. To be fair with Zhang, he has a long amateur record and a Olympian. So he has that experience years under his belt. And perhaps Joyce might underestimate and never see how tough and powerful his punches are even at his year and this is supposed to be like tune up fight for Joyce.
Not quite trivia for a fan, Zhang for sure has long experience before he even got into pro boxing. He got some power in his hands. Joyce was probably too confident during that time, with no worries in his mind fighting an old dog but suddenly got the trouble after a left hook that ruined his eyesight. Fighting with one eye handicapped Joyce in that first fight.
I doubt Zhang can win again, I think he was just lucky to have pricked Joyce's eyes that lucky day.
Looks like everyone is rooting for Zhang to win by KO. The first encounter was a major upset, yet most voters still believe that Zhang can replicate the type of victory he had in the first fight. I'm curious about how Joyce will prepare for this fight, and I hope he can bounce back so we can witness a trilogy.
I see this fight as similar to the Joshua vs Andy Ruiz fight, where the former was able to redeem himself in the rematch.
I see this fight as similar to the Joshua vs Andy Ruiz fight, where the former was able to redeem himself in the rematch.
So far the result on the poll Zhang by KO 4 (100%) I hope more members will vote for the possible outcome Joyce has a lot of promise going through the first fight, and I don't think he expected Zhang's jabs and solid punches to get through honestly the way the fight ended and how Joyce suffered a lot I don't think three months of preparation for a new style to beat Zhang is possible and Joyce is not Joshua and Zhang is not Ruiz, but he may adopt Joshua style of hit and run, but the biggest question is can he keep up, the size and the reach is very much the same for this guy.
And between the two Zhang is more agile and has a lot of movements and every time I watched the replay of their first fight I am more worried about Joyce for the second match, he needs to see where the punches are coming from, I'm sure his corners have gotten him sparring partners that are southpaws to have familiarity on how southpaws move.
Looks like everyone is rooting for Zhang to win by KO. The first encounter was a major upset, yet most voters still believe that Zhang can replicate the type of victory he had in the first fight. I'm curious about how Joyce will prepare for this fight, and I hope he can bounce back so we can witness a trilogy.
I see this fight as similar to the Joshua vs Andy Ruiz fight, where the former was able to redeem himself in the rematch.
I see this fight as similar to the Joshua vs Andy Ruiz fight, where the former was able to redeem himself in the rematch.
He wants to go back and have his name in the discussion for a Fury or Usyk fight if he wins here. Although the hype might not be there as he is no longer undefeated, specially a fight with Fury, all British showdown.
Unless he wins in a grand fashion like knocking him out, Joyce is in a hurry to get back into title contention against Fury or Joshua taking a huge risk, because so many rematches are just continuations if done earlier of course with a few exceptions, Joyce must get Zhang respect in the early rounds because on their first fight, Zhang surprisingly overwhelmed Joyce with to many jabs and punches in the first round and it takes a toll on Joyce motivation.
Joyce should turn the tide and have to show something different in the first two rounds Zhang will just go forward and pour everything and this is something Joyce should address.
That jab though of Zhang, it's really devastating to see that landed on Joyce eye and he has no respond on it. He just keep on plodding as if Zhang is putting a trap on Joyce and working throughout the fight until the referee has to stop it.
So in this rematch for sure Joyce has train to move his head a lot, he can't just go square with his face out and then going left to right movement.
I'm expecting a big adjustment here and maybe Joyce winning this rematch and moving forward to maybe a fight with any of the British Heavyweight.
He wants to go back and have his name in the discussion for a Fury or Usyk fight if he wins here. Although the hype might not be there as he is no longer undefeated, specially a fight with Fury, all British showdown.
Unless he wins in a grand fashion like knocking him out, Joyce is in a hurry to get back into title contention against Fury or Joshua taking a huge risk, because so many rematches are just continuations if done earlier of course with a few exceptions, Joyce must get Zhang respect in the early rounds because on their first fight, Zhang surprisingly overwhelmed Joyce with to many jabs and punches in the first round and it takes a toll on Joyce motivation.
Joyce should turn the tide and have to show something different in the first two rounds Zhang will just go forward and pour everything and this is something Joyce should address.
...Zhang will prove that he deserves to be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight.
Zhang can't be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight division because he isn't on their level. He stays where he matters and be competitive.
Maybe he was just too complacent and think ahead of his fight with Tyson Fury.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
Lol. Let's be realistic and accept the fact that Zhang will never ever be given a match against Tyson Fury. If this Chinese old man is thinking he will defeat Joyce the second time around so that he will be having a huge payday when he finally faces Fury, then he is having an illusion. He better just fight and defeat any opponent for its own sake rather than dreaming of a fight against the gypsy king.
He should have entered the scene much earlier with his record and perhaps he could have gotten the attention of anybody from the top.
I'm not talking about the Chinese here, I'm referring to Joyce, this is supposedly a tune up fight for him, but then he lost his fight so it's back to zero for him.
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12040/12834906/joe-joyce-tyson-fury-and-oleksandr-usyk-will-get-juggernauted-undisputed-has-a-nice-ring-to-it
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Of the champions' mandatory challengers, Joyce is arguably the leading contender. He has previously beaten Daniel Dubois as a professional and has also defeated Filip Hrgovic in the World Series of Boxing when he was amateur.
And this could be the reason why this rematch is immediate for him and his team.
He wants to go back and have his name in the discussion for a Fury or Usyk fight if he wins here. Although the hype might not be there as he is no longer undefeated, specially a fight with Fury, all British showdown.
Not used to seeing Chinese being a boxing champ, very surprising that he once upset a fight against an African American with a 93% KO rate. He must be special. He'll gonna have to prove it twice though. Despite Joyce's loss in their first fight, he is still the favorite in this match.
Was intrigued so I watched their first, though slow Zhang can actually counter but I think it's Joyce's eyes that cause his loss. He was hit over and over in that right eye. If he can avoid that in this 2nd fight, he will be the victor.
Was intrigued so I watched their first, though slow Zhang can actually counter but I think it's Joyce's eyes that cause his loss. He was hit over and over in that right eye. If he can avoid that in this 2nd fight, he will be the victor.
Yeah, no one saw a 40 year old Chinese HW beat a prime boxer in Joyce.
Zhang battered that eyes and shut it down causing the referee to intervene. To be fair with Zhang, he has a long amateur record and a Olympian. So he has that experience years under his belt. And perhaps Joyce might underestimate and never see how tough and powerful his punches are even at his year and this is supposed to be like tune up fight for Joyce.
Not used to seeing Chinese being a boxing champ, very surprising that he once upset a fight against an African American with a 93% KO rate. He must be special. He'll gonna have to prove it twice though. Despite Joyce's loss in their first fight, he is still the favorite in this match.
Was intrigued so I watched their first, though slow Zhang can actually counter but I think it's Joyce's eyes that cause his loss. He was hit over and over in that right eye. If he can avoid that in this 2nd fight, he will be the victor.
Was intrigued so I watched their first, though slow Zhang can actually counter but I think it's Joyce's eyes that cause his loss. He was hit over and over in that right eye. If he can avoid that in this 2nd fight, he will be the victor.
^^ Good odds for those who think that Zhang can make it 2-0 against Joyce in the rematch. In the first match if I'm not mistaken, Joyce also is a huge favorite unfortunately, he lost that one.
And a sign of a good boxer is that if they can adjust on the rematch, so let's see how Joyce will deal with Zhang left. That is the weapon that really hurt Joyce in the fight as Zhang is throwing that left with bad intention.
Will likely skip this fight though, I wanted Joyce to win, but still though, there could be another upset.
And a sign of a good boxer is that if they can adjust on the rematch, so let's see how Joyce will deal with Zhang left. That is the weapon that really hurt Joyce in the fight as Zhang is throwing that left with bad intention.
Will likely skip this fight though, I wanted Joyce to win, but still though, there could be another upset.
These names are quite unfamiliar to me. I only knew a few boxers in the heavyweight division, namely Fury, Joshua, Usyk, and Wilder. However, upon checking, I discovered that Zhang is currently the WBO champion. Now, I'm interested in watching this fight, and I'll begin by watching some of his fight highlights.
Are there any available betting odds for this particular fight yet?
Are there any available betting odds for this particular fight yet?
This is just second tier HW fighters, nothing special to them, except that Fury, Joshua, Usyk and Wilder are going to defeat.
Joyce is trying to break into the a fight with either the mentioned name, but he was upset by the Chinese. And so he has to regain what he has lost so obviously he wants to challenge the big man from China a second time around.
First fight is really ugly for Joyce as he was clearly outpointed.
Since this is a rematch, hopefully, we will see a more exciting game. Joyce also has a decent record; he is a KO artist with 14 KO wins out of 15 fights. Maybe he was just too aggressive in the previous fight and forgot to be cautious against his fellow giant.
So what would be the betting odds for the rematch?
This was the odds in the previous fight,
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At -1000 (bet $1,000 to win $100), Joyce is a bigger betting favorite than I would make him, and there could be some value in wagering on Zhang as the +600 underdog (win $600 on a $100 wager).
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkatzowitz/2023/04/14/joe-joyce-vs-zhilei-zhang-odds-records-prediction/?sh=56a65288b7f1
These names are quite unfamiliar to me. I only knew a few boxers in the heavyweight division, namely Fury, Joshua, Usyk, and Wilder. However, upon checking, I discovered that Zhang is currently the WBO champion. Now, I'm interested in watching this fight, and I'll begin by watching some of his fight highlights.
Are there any available betting odds for this particular fight yet?
Are there any available betting odds for this particular fight yet?
This is just second tier HW fighters, nothing special to them, except that Fury, Joshua, Usyk and Wilder are going to defeat.
Joyce is trying to break into the a fight with either the mentioned name, but he was upset by the Chinese. And so he has to regain what he has lost so obviously he wants to challenge the big man from China a second time around.
First fight is really ugly for Joyce as he was clearly outpointed.
These names are quite unfamiliar to me. I only knew a few boxers in the heavyweight division, namely Fury, Joshua, Usyk, and Wilder. However, upon checking, I discovered that Zhang is currently the WBO champion. Now, I'm interested in watching this fight, and I'll begin by watching some of his fight highlights.
Are there any available betting odds for this particular fight yet?
Are there any available betting odds for this particular fight yet?
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
On the other hand, the Chinese Zhang is full of confident that his first win is no fluke as he shows a lot of tools including his power in that first fight.
Looks like the Chinese guy has the full advantage here since he is more than ready to face Joyce and he is not bothered by his last fight he also doesn't have the feeling about getting a straight loss. Zhang is full confidence that he can beat Joyce a second time here since he already knows how he gonna handle him. he will also train to get himself even more strength and confidence to easily defeat Joyce this time. I wonder what would gonna happen to Joyce's career if he get easily beaten by Zhang in their second fight.
That fast? oh well, it seems that Joyce is really hell bent on avenging his lost because no one thought that he is going to lose the first fight. Maybe he was just too complacent and think ahead of his fight with Tyson Fury.
He is really disappointed and his fans with the outcome he's been beating a lot of great British fighters like Dubois, and here he is getting beaten by a fighter that experts cannot be considered in the same league as Fury, this is one upset that he wants to get over with so he goes for a match
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Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
This is a very risky fight for Joyce, another loss and it's going to be a very hard climb to the top, this is his only way to get back on top and he must win impressively he needs to impress the boxing community and his fans since he is again fighting in front of his fans again.Quote
On the other hand, the Chinese Zhang is full of confident that his first win is no fluke as he shows a lot of tools including his power in that first fight.
He's even daring Fury to fight him, he will carry this confidence on their rematch, we hope to see something new, not just what these two fighters left off.
I feel sorry for Joyce, his career is doing great, Zhang's fight should have been a preparation for his match against Fury, but unfortunately, Zhang dominate him Joyce was totally outclassed his jabs was ineffective and Zhang was hitting at will, Joyce really wants to go on their last match but his right eye was awful that it could severely be damaged if the doctor did not stop the fight.
Joyce is a great fighter something really wrong in his last fight against Zhang and his corners should do everything to correct those mistakes, I hope this time Joyce shows his true skill, his jabs were not connecting in his last fight and he lacks head movement.
Even though Joyce loses the first match I believe he can avenge that only loss of his career.
Joyce is a great fighter something really wrong in his last fight against Zhang and his corners should do everything to correct those mistakes, I hope this time Joyce shows his true skill, his jabs were not connecting in his last fight and he lacks head movement.
Even though Joyce loses the first match I believe he can avenge that only loss of his career.
...Zhang will prove that he deserves to be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight.
Zhang can't be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight division because he isn't on their level. He stays where he matters and be competitive.
Maybe he was just too complacent and think ahead of his fight with Tyson Fury.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
Lol. Let's be realistic and accept the fact that Zhang will never ever be given a match against Tyson Fury. If this Chinese old man is thinking he will defeat Joyce the second time around so that he will be having a huge payday when he finally faces Fury, then he is having an illusion. He better just fight and defeat any opponent for its own sake rather than dreaming of a fight against the gypsy king.
He should have entered the scene much earlier with his record and perhaps he could have gotten the attention of anybody from the top.
That fast? oh well, it seems that Joyce is really hell bent on avenging his lost because no one thought that he is going to lose the first fight. Maybe he was just too complacent and think ahead of his fight with Tyson Fury.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
On the other hand, the Chinese Zhang is full of confident that his first win is no fluke as he shows a lot of tools including his power in that first fight.
Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.
On the other hand, the Chinese Zhang is full of confident that his first win is no fluke as he shows a lot of tools including his power in that first fight.
The first match proved to be very exciting both fighters came to fight, Joyce was the slight favorite but Zhang with his power jabs and straight punches damaged Joyce's right eye for the stoppage
See the highlights here
Joe Joyce vs Zhilei Zhang - Fight Highlights
Now they are going to meet again for the WBO INTERIM WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP this second match will be more exciting and more action-packed as Joyce tries to avenge his first loss against Zhang and Zhang will prove that he deserves to be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/37828227/sources-zhilei-zhang-joe-joyce-rematch-set-sept-2-london
Pictures from: box.live
See the highlights here
Joe Joyce vs Zhilei Zhang - Fight Highlights
Now they are going to meet again for the WBO INTERIM WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP this second match will be more exciting and more action-packed as Joyce tries to avenge his first loss against Zhang and Zhang will prove that he deserves to be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/37828227/sources-zhilei-zhang-joe-joyce-rematch-set-sept-2-london
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Joyce, 37, was in position to face Tyson Fury this summer if he had emerged with the victory. Now, the Olympic silver medalist is looking to avenge the first defeat of his pro career.
Pictures from: box.live
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