Topic: Ziber.io is a scam! DO NOT INVEST!! Now CONFIRMED! Doors are now closed - HAHAHA (Read 6421 times)

A чeгo - бoбик cдox?

Not going to happen.

The refund will be paid via Ziber Cash. There's only one catch - to get on the list, you have to call them via Ziber first.

the scam continues with a "refund" scheme.

Anything up with Ziber? I am sitting with 10,000 Tokens!!

desperate .. hope for miracle .. wait to see if anything would come next if any ?
Still difficult to convince why they did it intentional ? it's interesting idea .. if they can
take just 1% out of skype market that still many times of the stolen ~1500 ETH

And to think that Team Ziber did everything they could to bring cred to their venerable brand including quoting Leroy Fodor quoting Joshua Zipkin in demonstrating what a scammy ass I truly am.

Ziber issued tokens today. it's interesting project. Hope this time for real .. moving forward

I had to see this coming the minute I saw their ugly GUI. Does anyone here know If the application used to claim free Ziber using BTC and ETH was clean? I can't find the link again (not sure wth happened to the site) and I uninstalled it.

Another one bites the dust. Project looked promising

My friend invested 20 ETH in this project and now its gone , i guess 1st he should have come & read this thread. By the way thanks 4 the heads up.

they've started to send out some ZIBER tokens to all participants in the ICO.
The address https://etherscan.io/address/0x67f1488827146bf4dc9b1a0740b64299ea24ff00 has been marked with some SCAM_STAMP tokens
https://scamseal.com/ziberScamMarked.png

WTF did I just read? https://ziber.io/

hey everyone

ziber.io had new face. please revisit let us know your thought .. new scam game ?

The English speaking world is not worthy to read the words of the venerable Team Ziber, with Russia currently being all the rage (double entendre intended) ...


Let me guess: In lieu of filing a police report, Team Ziber finds it prudent to publicly post the vitals of the supposed hacker, a person who Ziber may or may not have created themselves. FUCKIN GENIUS!

Hey everyone,

is anyone able to read Cyrillic script and translate what's going on in this thread?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2027063.460

The user ziber is posting there as well so I was hoping there'd be something relevant there as well.

Best

I don't know man but I'm in the water too with this  
I'm confuse too why not give the token.

How is this rubbish possible? If it is all a scam why they didn’t wait for the and of ICO to steal our money? Or they could give as a tokens and do no product, if there really  was a hacker why they behave like that? They displayed on their website that they gathered 45 000 ether for some time? The only possible explanation is that there was a hacker and it is a scam, then all of it has a logic.

Lol, yes, just had a discussion with my lawyers, there are no patents pending.

I put up a rescue fund contract with adjustable ownership.

So do not ask for the address.


Cheers, mates!

https://www.facebook.com/Ziber-The-First-Blockchain-mobile-operator-730447767157916/


Seriously, a Finance Company? My bad! Just remembered that Team Ziber's mother tongue is not English, thus opting to pick the first description on the generated list that's designed to represent their company's model because in Germany or Russia, F comes before C, C as in ... wait for it ... Communications.

Even if it is not a scam that github codebase is horrendous.  The software engineer in me (yes I eat them) couldn't help but cringe a few times looking at it.  Someone needs a code review. 
(cryptic 'shorthand' variables, very long functions with 4 or 5 levels of if else nesting, etc)

Just wanted to say that i appreciate your way, Parker, to get back to a true, maybe to technical, discussion. Including Gleb (i never talked to him before) as a warning instance in, let's say in ICO deserts.

Nothing personal, definetly nothing, but we have to cope with a new quality of hacking, trolling whatever.

And if i'm the first that keeps the light up for a good idea under heavy storms, then i am.


Again, this idea is to smart to get burried by bought trolls that try to buy time for competitors.

I literally give a fuck who wins in this childish battle. I know i will try to put this idea into real world.

Very quickly.


Got that, trolls?

regards,

Hydro

Looks like the previous deposit address conveniently got hacked. Maybe your best friend's investment is gone.

Is ziber really a scam ? My best friend invested 20 ethereum in it.

Well I don't know what happened between you and Gleb but I mean to say that I only wrote one post in support to Ziber, at the very beginning, when there weren't any scam accusations yet, and that when said scam accusations started to pop out, I stayed well out of the crap, although it's true that I was surprised, because, it's a fact: their product does work. Now there's not much room for doubt anymore, anyway, since they obviously ran away with the money.
What I mean is that if you actively defended them on numerous occasions I'm not sure our situations really can compare.

@Gleb: Yes, i "activated" my old account, and of course didn't remember that password since, yesterday. I read all the insults and anything you've been offended with. I absoluty understand your anger - But as Parker does, we might try put this discussion back to non personal tracks.

The point is, i've had this idea some years ago but i failed to program a multi mobile OS client / proxy that does "hidden" calls on behalf of an app.

The only OS that might, technically, allow hidden calls is Android. No way with Apple, or, at those times, Blackberry. Or Windows mobiles.

And anyway, i've been working with, how they call it, "masternodes", in projects, especially Genesys related, that simply have some whatever 100 sim cards attached and might do the proxy function even without mobile gateways. But only 100's - Thoses are billion gateways to call our old school parents on landline. So to say.

IF ziber is a scam, and i will NEVER predict right now wether it is or not, those guys have / had a interesting idea.

And guess what, if thoses trolls and hackers succeed, let's pick up that and buy the patents (if those naive dudes even did that) and relaunch it. Without ICO, trolls, hackers and other social bullshit. A pure, clean disrupting project. Gleb, i count on you ;-)

The tricky way to catch providers at their weakest point with giving free calls within their network - just to attract more customers - is, well, nice.


Let's see where this is some weeks later,


regards,

Hydro

For someone who almost never invests in ICOs, I was completely fooled this time. After trying their app, I had also given them my support, and had even wanted to take care of their translation to French   (though another scammer, LAETI, who does all the work with automated translation tools, had already applied and gotten the job before me, which pissed me off at that moment, but it now actually looks like I was lucky that she went by before me  ).

Now there remains one question, which is the reason why I trusted them in the first place: they had a finished product to offer, which is pretty rare for ICOs, and their app was actually working rather well. I called my family and friends in Belgium on several occasions, for free, as was part of their campaign. How did this app work, and how could it be free, then, if it was all a scam? I'm not worried about my own safety: I'm a cautious person and I only downloaded the app on my multi-use computer, not the one with crypto private keys on it, but I mean, every time I called someone in Belgium they said that I was using a Belgian phone number. Ziber explained it by saying that their system worked with people "giving" their mobile phone plan to the network (and would later be rewarded through their token), but now I'm starting to worry. Whose phone numbers were those? How did the app work (or does, actually: I haven't used it for a few days but it still launches normally when clicked on)?

Speaking of vitals ...

https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php


Dude hasn't logged in for months and when he does he gravitates to an obvious scam to give it cred.  

@mammabitcoin2u


Dude, you stole my schtick!!!  Proof: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/here-we-go-again-theymos-ban-all-my-accounts-if-2017657

Why why do I click open your stuff!! Ahh hilarious yet true.

I seen a fuck coin at least it's properly named for the exit.

And Dudes from Ziber, if you ever read this and are true, call the, yeees, centralized ICANN to just top-down block all DNS requests to ziber.io

Btw, did somebody check the vita of "Ziber" here?

I'll bet it's in no way related to Ziber.

Wow, we see an epic fight trolls and hackers vs. a brilliant idea.

Who ever wins, the idea will stay.

And i promise as a 47 dude that planned VoIP networks all over the world, the idea is brilliant and will - stay.

I can't imagine that all thoses fairs, that, well, pre-alpha-Client was a foundation for a scam?

As i wrote earlier, then that is the biggest scam - regarding efforts - of all times.

And then, they even deserve my funds.


regards,

Hydro

Amazingly, nary a Newbie or bought user account once defending Ziber has come to this thread to stick it up my ass to demonstrate their continuing support for Ziber: The APP that'll take down Skype. Come on, guys, there's plenty of room. Hunt your favorite kitchen appliance and start a rammin'. Don't bother 'bout addin' lube, for you know how I love it - ROUGH! And don't even think 'bout startin' small, e.g. a can opener - initiate the desired process with one of them industrial bread mixers turned on at top speed. I is ready to show Slave who's the biggest slut in all of cryptoland ...



I'm goin' all in (no pun intended) with Vlad's ForeSkinCoin: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/moved-ann-foreskincoin-fkc-cause-goyims-need-a-coin-too-2048370

It is better if you buy ZERO token, you can't lost with it :-)  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-zero-token-ico-next-step-in-ico-evolution-crowdsale-live-2051833

Address  0xAb98922CA2be48214539c7D5Dc63a343d14d7227
ETH Balance:   0 Ether
No Of Transactions:   0 txn
No one wants their tokens anymore.

they reopen the adress 

Bu-ga-ga ... scamers published new adress 0xAb98922CA2bexxxxxx39c7D5Dc63a343d14d7227

The scam continues.

Were a hackers gooses or mooses or sheeps or fishes?

To be fair, I'd concede that adhering to initial road cards from here on out is a vast improvement by the Ziber Sleuths according to their newly release road card ...

today they shut down the website with 50 000 eth

Only Russian foolish people can make such projects just to scam people, community here must thank Gleb that he busted them early, btw who the people are there in videos??
Were they really advertising their scam project in conferences as shown in images and videos?
Can't they (people in images) be identified?

I wouldn't celebrate quite yet, as they claim it's a "unscheduled check".

https://i.imgur.com/zPkOrfP.png

Finally it is proved it is a scam, as website is down...

Don't underestimate them Russian dudes, for here's their plan - inject the the Eth in BitcoinMixer, then liquidate the clean coins on BTC-E, then go to Greece for holiday where they'll call their friends and family via Ziber to infrom them that they're having a good time. Genius!

Okay, so there's all this KYC on every exchange, and we all submit proof of our existence, isn't this something that one would use when something like this happens?

The address that sent the money to the address that withdrew the funds from the ICO is:  0xb9e924bD912325d3a4d44C3035382B3763184CCD which got a deposit from Bittrex.

Or is the KYC only for anti-pot money?

Website is down, finally

And here we can see here a totally different situation! 

https://etherscan.io/address/0x00C8835DD3A46c7Fc8C8DD7243c3f9f17d29FC46

"Dear partners, we are restoring control over the ziber, everything is fine."

- some minutes ago on facebook

Maybe i'm too naive, but IF it is, that would have been the biggest scam, regarding efforts on Ziber side, ever - And even then they would deserve my funds, lol

What???

Shame on you Smartcontracteam Developers & Ziber Team!!!

You both just trying to blame each other, but your reputation is now fuck*d up!
You can't cover the shit out with piss!

Your behavior smells like newbie cheaters miles away....
I hope you guys buy a lot of medicines with those stolen 1000 Ether!!!

While sitting on the sidelines of that thread, I watched again and again the growing shit storm you were copping as the thread progressed. I had a strong feeling you were right and was waiting it out for you to be proved right. (again).
Your effort is greatly appreciated by many who haven't been burned by ICO's due to your sense of smell and fact finding..  . ICO's are the new scam method unfortunately and my advice is to steer clear of them until a working product is developed and applied in the real world. I prefer air-drops + prayers these days  to get a nice return.

Their last post was they "will pay back", "we were hacked"........... sound familiar? Good luck to all who gave up some ETH trusting this scammy project.

Because ...

Damn. I just bought 3 ETH into the Ziber ICO - not having done ANY research and only now realising the address was not a contract and then reading all this and other posts on reddit...


Looks like i just dontated my 3 ETH <kick self.>

There is one thing that bothers me, why not to wait a few hours or a few days maybe and then "hack" themselves, if it was planned, why to take only 200k? They could get away with much more then that...

Their website shows 45k eth collected by now. Is it to create FOMO for those who don't know what's going on??

Here's another HUGE reputation shock - if you're not willing to opening discuss your role in Ziber (or whatever the FUCK zeber is) after tens of thousands of dollars have been stolen, then you, too, will have your brand listed in the scam section of this USELESS forum.


EDIT: On second thought, strike that. I consider you scammers already upon reading all your posts. You're in bed with this fuckers, you cocksucker!

Yes! Worth a read. Typical scammer misinformation, redirect, shills to support, excuses, mudslinging the scammer arsenal lol. Oh and the famous exit we been hacked.

Come on scammers make it harder for us not so easy to bust ya out.

Depending on how much cash is involved and it's obvious not first scam. I'm betting silver bracelets soon lol.

Oh too funny. That's why I love scammers always a good laugh.

Ty for this and your other posts! Always a good time.

Even the stlying of the code was designed to be "invisible" for people who (didn't) check the code carefully before investing:

  /// @dev Constructor
  /// @param _token Pay Fair token address
  /// @param _start token ICO start date
  function Crowdsale(address _token, uint _start) {
    require(_token != 0);
    require(_start != 0);

    owner = msg.sender;
    token = ZiberToken(_token);
    startsAt = _start;
  }

Well a Constructor needs to have the same name as the Contract (ZiberCrowdsale) -> it isn't in this case, but written as it is in the comment
An owner is normally assigned on the contract creation, and only the owner can transfer the ownership.
here, this method is designed to be transferd by anybody.

If it's by mistake, then it's a real stupid one and the crowdsale wouldn't have even started without explicitly calling this method. Then the custructor is only called once when the contract is created and can't be called afterwards.

Don't worry, it's well worth the read when you get to the part where Team Ziber found it prudent to cite Leroy Fodor quoting Joshua Zipkin of AMT fame in their attempt to discredit my scammy ass shortly after an olive branch was extended in giving them the benefit of doubt. My guess is that they used me as part of their exit strategy, thus I probably won't see a satoshi of my standard 35 BTC extortion fee.   Life's a bitch on this USELESS^{per Leroy Fodor} forum.

I read first words and can tell it's a scam. Silly scammers now I have to read the rest.  

Edit: read it typical scammer move -try to wiggle out with redirect with nonsense.

As I said just the first words say hang on bullshit forthcoming. It was bam bullshit then bam bam bullshit wiggle wiggle.

Oh man thanks for sharing. I'm still laughing I love scammers so stupid.

Oh and the we been hacked lol depending on how much plus other scams previous n forthcoming we will see them arrested eventually.

Hey I got the Brooklyn bridge for sale? Anyone interested lol.

Okay, "We are developers", explain the following ...

https://github.com/ZiberLTD/contracts/blob/master/smartcontract_dev/ico/ZiberCrowdsale.sol

/// @dev Owner can withdraw contract funds
  function withdraw() public onlyOwner {
    // Transfer funds to the team wallet
    owner.transfer(this.balance);
  }

The above was supplied to me by an astute user since I'm not a code, he informing me that the above code possibly allows Team Ziber to extract the funds themselves sans reaching any threshold.

Good evening,

I represent smartcontracteam developers

And I would like to give some explanations

1. Yes, we wrote a contract for ziber
2. We are developers and not hackers
3. The ziber addressed us and said that they needed the contract as soon as possible as a result, we postponed our affairs and made them a contract.
4. We warned the zeeber that the contract should be tested and audited to third-party developers
5. we did not deploy a contract in homestead, we dont have any access to ziber server or site
6. We warned the zeber that keeping money on the contract is not safe and it is necessary to immediately send them to the owner's wallet as make 99% crowdsale contracts, ziber dont agree with it and ask create withdraw method
7. we do not think that the money brought ziber, but we believe that there was a disorganization in testing the contract and was not able to make a qualitative audit
8. we realize that for us this is a huge reputation shock and we apologize for agreeing to do it in a hurry


This is all that we can say, we will not give any comments here if anyone has questions ready to respond in a PM

The actual vulnerability isn't the one stated in the announcement made by Ziber user.

The attacker firstly restarted the Crowdsale by calling the Crowdsale function
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x21d1093cd6014d8ed543c1d8e9f72f904284fb77aaa9296a1f792b745f2785a1
as we see in the Crowdsale function which can be called by anyone the owner becomes the person who is calling the function, pretty simple hack, lol.

function Crowdsale(address _token, uint _start) {
    require(_token != 0);
    require(_start != 0);

    owner = msg.sender;
    token = ZiberToken(_token);
    startsAt = _start;
  }

then just a call to Withdraw function (https://etherscan.io/tx/0xb7f0d837a10028271d7177e86b595b266302f1bc65c9db5cd7a6d48740c2c4de) and there goes 1000 ether

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20425804

Over a decade ago after Chantha Owen Lueung got permanently banned from trading securities in the US due to fraud, he started an entity billed as one that will takeover Facebook. That entity is on its third iteration now known as Crypto-city with Owen having Leroy Fodor and Michael Zinck as business partners, Leroy being the dude who Ziber quotes in bringing cred to his brand. Talk about doing due diligence, Ziber didn't perform any when opting to go that route, resulting in further lack of trust in spite of still-trying-to-decode their sage's words "Trust means being able to predict what other people will do and what situations will occur."

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cyberpinoy-338432

 You need to fuck off, all proper-like, and get AIDS.

You did use the correct address, but you did not interact with the contract.

I did small transaction but now it have (!). Money was gone.

https://etherscan.io/tx/0xe14f4b072a235e3de89a21eaa454ed6a1996492c778f6bfa8254c616a81aebfc

If its not scam, what happen to the address with the contract?

From the page: https://ziber.io/

This is how the website used to look like:
http://i.imgur.com/b9ki5kN.png

Now it looks like this:
http://i.imgur.com/4fvmyXm.png


So, on the first, it links to this, where we have a smart contract
https://etherscan.io/address/0xf0a924661b0263e5ce12756d07f45b8668c53380

while now, it points to this, without a contract
https://etherscan.io/address/0x00C8835DD3A46c7Fc8C8DD7243c3f9f17d29FC46

Is it me, or is this a bit fishy?

Gleb has a record of busting  scam ICO's in the past and he continues to do so.He has successfully predicted the unfair businesses and warned the community about the same before the project turned to a scam.With those trust ratings and personal attacks on Gleb,seems like you have known them in the past and most possibly for them busting one of your scam ICO's.
I'll take his word for it,you are a scam.

Famous as skype ? Is that suppose to be your promotional slogan ? Next time get people who can at least present their company as professionally as the can,helps the company to stand away from the obvious scams.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20410156  - check time please


Greetings everyone!

Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...

From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)

Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20304037
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
 
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not

even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD

So, what is the "cause" of claims?

Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.

Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)

If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
 
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?

And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.


What is the Tokenmarket.net?

LATO: Liquidity Asset Token  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20051508
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20204617
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net

creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
 
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!

Who these trolls/manipulators are?

The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:

---
  rise
  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18330471
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $


-----
  Humaniq
  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18552426
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $

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  Cryptoforecast
  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18596414
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$

-------------

His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.


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Gleb Gamov

1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a

license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10987160


2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713

3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713


4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713


5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713

6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html

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I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!

We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!