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Quote from: kuroman on August 06, 2014, 10:44:08 AM

Quote from: JohnFromWIT on August 06, 2014, 10:40:23 AM

He seems to know the importance of arguing the facts.
Not just picking a side and doggedly defending it.

Yes that's why I posted that link, he let the other person, speak and present their ideas before counter arguing them with facts and giving them the chance to reply back if they have something to add

Looking through his wikipedia page.
The one thing he's done that I remember hearing about is drinking milk from some woman's hands on Celebrity Big Brother.
Haha, how sad is that?

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Quote from: JohnFromWIT on August 06, 2014, 10:40:23 AM

He seems to know the importance of arguing the facts.
Not just picking a side and doggedly defending it.

Yes that's why I posted that link, he let the other person, speak and present their ideas before counter arguing them with facts and giving them the chance to reply back if they have something to add

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He seems to know the importance of arguing the facts.
Not just picking a side and doggedly defending it.
EDIT: Turns out he's a British MP.

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Quote from: JohnFromWIT on August 06, 2014, 08:01:32 AM

What radio station is that?

I really don't know, but it seems there are several videos from that same radio show, that are recommended when you watch the video, I'm pretty sure some would have on the description the name of the show and the radio station

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Quote from: kuroman on August 06, 2014, 07:47:26 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 06, 2014, 04:59:22 AM

Quote from: u9y42 on August 06, 2014, 02:09:48 AM

You're not going to understand what is happening there if you don't take into account the occupation, and the cruel conditions Israel is imposing on the Palestinians living in the occupied territories.

Hmm.. let me compare the situation.

1. Is it possible for a Muslim to live in Israel:

Ans. Yes. 20% of the Israeli population is Muslim.

2. Is it possible for a Jew to live in an Arab nation?

Ans. No. There are no Jews in Arab nations.

1-Yes but they live as sub humans, even in Laws Jew people has more right and advantages than non Jews.
2-Yes, and you are wrong, and Jews lived in Muslim countries for centuries and still do although the vast majority immigrated to Israel due to better standard of living (as the countries they used to live are in development countries such as Morocco for example), Do Jews has the same rights as Muslims in a country like Morocco, yes they do.
It would be nice for people would verify their stuff before posting wrong things..... I mean it's not a secret or anything even UK or US politics know such things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9C_5CICiU

What radio station is that?

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Hmm.. let me compare the situation.

2. Is it possible for a Jew to live in an Arab nation?

It's possible in some, but would be a small minority with restricted rights depending on the state.

Turkey - 3%
Iran - 2% non muslim including jewish
Jordan - 2% other religion, could be jewish
Saudia Arabia - 0%
Kuwait - 0%

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 06, 2014, 04:59:22 AM

Quote from: u9y42 on August 06, 2014, 02:09:48 AM

You're not going to understand what is happening there if you don't take into account the occupation, and the cruel conditions Israel is imposing on the Palestinians living in the occupied territories.

Hmm.. let me compare the situation.

1. Is it possible for a Muslim to live in Israel:

Ans. Yes. 20% of the Israeli population is Muslim.

2. Is it possible for a Jew to live in an Arab nation?

Ans. No. There are no Jews in Arab nations.

1-Yes but they live as sub humans, even in the Laws Jew people has more right and advantages than non Jews.
2-Yes, and you are wrong, and Jews lived in Muslim countries for centuries and still do although the vast majority immigrated to Israel due to better standard of living (as the countries they used to live are in development countries such as Morocco for example), Do Jews has the same rights as Muslims in a country like Morocco, yes they do.
It would be nice for people would verify their stuff before posting wrong things..... I mean it's not a secret or anything even UK or US politics know such things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9C_5CICiU

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 06, 2014, 04:59:22 AM

Quote from: u9y42 on August 06, 2014, 02:09:48 AM

You're not going to understand what is happening there if you don't take into account the occupation, and the cruel conditions Israel is imposing on the Palestinians living in the occupied territories.

Hmm.. let me compare the situation.

1. Is it possible for a Muslim to live in Israel:

Ans. Yes. 20% of the Israeli population is Muslim.

2. Is it possible for a Jew to live in an Arab nation?

Ans. No. There are no Jews in Arab nations.

So, do you think we need to go back 3000 years with this to get a basic understanding of the situation, or should we just recognize that when you oppress people, they aren't going to like it?

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Quote from: u9y42 on August 06, 2014, 02:09:48 AM

You're not going to understand what is happening there if you don't take into account the occupation, and the cruel conditions Israel is imposing on the Palestinians living in the occupied territories.

Hmm.. let me compare the situation.

1. Is it possible for a Muslim to live in Israel:

Ans. Yes. 20% of the Israeli population is Muslim.

2. Is it possible for a Jew to live in an Arab nation?

Ans. No. There are no Jews in Arab nations.

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Quote from: SgtSpike on August 04, 2014, 11:10:32 AM

Quote from: practicaldreamer on August 02, 2014, 08:34:41 AM

Seems to me that what is occuring is that (land issues aside) Israel are attempting to break the spirit of the people of Gaza - and what Hamas is doing, in a pitiful and emasculated kind of way, is saying that their spirit will not be broken.

How can you say something like this when it is always Hamas who is keeping the war going? If Hamas stopped attacking, the war would be over. Israel is only attacking in retaliation. Hamas has had plenty of chances for peace, and they always choose NOT to have it.

You're not going to understand what is happening there if you don't take into account the occupation, and the cruel conditions Israel is imposing on the Palestinians living in the occupied territories.

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et rich or die tryi

I have not noticed it. probably because i don't frequent subs like /r/worldnews and such.

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Quote from: solid12345 on August 05, 2014, 11:53:17 AM

Quote from: Victorius on August 04, 2014, 02:42:49 PM

The problem with zionists is that not only they are hurting non jewish people, thay are also hurting jews around the world.

See this is what I don't get, why is it you can blame or attack Jews worldwide for what Israel does yet you can't hold it against Muslims for what Saudi Arabia or Iran does?

to be fair he didn't, he said Zionists, and Zionist =/= jews, there are many decent Jews out there and I have friends that are Jews that are cool and disagrees with the massacre that Israel is doing right now

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Quote from: Victorius on August 04, 2014, 02:42:49 PM

The problem with zionists is that not only they are hurting non jewish people, thay are also hurting jews around the world.

See this is what I don't get, why is it you can blame or attack Jews worldwide for what Israel does yet you can't hold it against Muslims for what Saudi Arabia or Iran does?

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You need to look up JIDF you'll some interesting facts, they seems to be working overtime nowadays and properly getting a nice cheque by the end of these events .

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...math, you can trust math.

The problem with zionists is that not only they are hurting non jewish people, thay are also hurting jews around the world.

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on August 02, 2014, 08:34:41 AM

Seems to me that what is occuring is that (land issues aside) Israel are attempting to break the spirit of the people of Gaza - and what Hamas is doing, in a pitiful and emasculated kind of way, is saying that their spirit will not be broken.

How can you say something like this when it is always Hamas who is keeping the war going? If Hamas stopped attacking, the war would be over. Israel is only attacking in retaliation. Hamas has had plenty of chances for peace, and they always choose NOT to have it.

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Quote from: JimDowJones on August 03, 2014, 12:28:49 AM

Quote from: u9y42 on August 02, 2014, 10:38:34 PM

Quote from: JimDowJones on August 02, 2014, 09:02:27 PM

I knew this shit would attract flies, looks like at least 40% of the post were from paid shills. Keep in mind, all I did was state a very clear observation without an opinion and the thread still managed to derail.

From what I've seen, I wouldn't say you're wrong, but you have to consider a couple things: the way you framed this could have been viewed as being biased - they'll argue the other side is probably doing the same; also, you can't ignore that the situation, serious as it is, will illicit strong reactions from a lot of people - no reason to believe money is the only incentive here; they might genuinely believe what they're saying.

Being traders and speculators we should be able to remain objective.

Sure, but don't forget that no one here is a machine (I think

), and in these situations you're going to get a lot of people upset about it. That said, I've also noticed a lot of new accounts and even (probably bought) senior accounts suddenly show up and immediately start repeating all of the propaganda you see on the media.

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Quote from: u9y42 on August 02, 2014, 10:38:34 PM

Quote from: JimDowJones on August 02, 2014, 09:02:27 PM

I knew this shit would attract flies, looks like at least 40% of the post were from paid shills. Keep in mind, all I did was state a very clear observation without an opinion and the thread still managed to derail.

From what I've seen, I wouldn't say you're wrong, but you have to consider a couple things: the way you framed this could have been viewed as being biased - they'll argue the other side is probably doing the same; also, you can't ignore that the situation, serious as it is, will illicit strong reactions from a lot of people - no reason to believe money is the only incentive here; they might genuinely believe what they're saying.

Being traders and speculators we should be able to remain objective.

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Quote from: JimDowJones on August 02, 2014, 09:02:27 PM

I knew this shit would attract flies, looks like at least 40% of the post were from paid shills. Keep in mind, all I did was state a very clear observation without an opinion and the thread still managed to derail.

From what I've seen, I wouldn't say you're wrong, but you have to consider a couple things: the way you framed this could have been viewed as being biased - they'll argue the other side is probably doing the same; also, you can't ignore that the situation, serious as it is, will illicit strong reactions from a lot of people - no reason to believe money is the only incentive here; they might genuinely believe what they're saying.

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I knew this shit would attract flies, looks like at least 40% of the post were from paid shills. Keep in mind, all I did was state a very clear observation without an opinion and the thread still managed to derail.

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Quote from: solid12345 on August 01, 2014, 01:42:24 PM

And what did they do it for, bizarre beliefs they will have a heavenly garden and 72 virgins waiting for them...

.... or maybe they just saw their children murdered whilst trying to take refuge in a UN school ?

You and I may become suicide bombers under such circumstances - and I for one am an atheist.

A whole new generation of men with nothing to lose is being born as we speak. A whole new generation of men who are today face to face with the horror of what one man/people is capable of perpetrating upon another man/people when they are in a position of power with no accountability - ironically, in much the same way that Jews were during WW2.

Seems to me that what is occuring is that (land issues aside) Israel are attempting to break the spirit of the people of Gaza - and what Hamas is doing, in a pitiful and emasculated kind of way, is saying that their spirit will not be broken.

I don't know the solution to the problem - but I do know that were it not for the US, and were it any other nation on Earth committing the crimes against humanity that Israel are, then our Governments would be calling for military intervention to end the violence (massacre). The UK has sent in the troops on much (much) more flimsy a legitimation.

Does this make me a pro-Arab shill ? I really don't care.

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Quote from: beetcoin on August 01, 2014, 05:51:53 PM

i'd also like to note that the more info that comes out about zionist shills, the more people will suspect those who are pro-israel as those shills, which might lead to more fingerpointing.

yes of course it does, and it's makes any pro-Israel a suspect, but I personally prefer to reply to and argue against their ideas with facts, rather than just pointing fingers because it's not constructive and I do believe in the fact that everyone is innocent until proven guilty

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i'd also like to note that the more info that comes out about zionist shills, the more people will suspect those who are pro-israel as those shills, which might lead to more fingerpointing.

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Quote from: solid12345 on August 01, 2014, 05:31:36 PM

Quote from: kuroman on August 01, 2014, 05:00:36 PM

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/12/diary-of-an-israeli-shill/

What is shilling is passing off a website that is 80% propaganda against Israel and the "Jewish banker" conspiracy that is as old as time itself as a "veterans site."

did you miss the other websites or the official Israeli foreign minister stance?

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Quote from: kuroman on August 01, 2014, 05:00:36 PM

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/12/diary-of-an-israeli-shill/

What is shilling is passing off a website that is 80% propaganda against Israel and the "Jewish banker" conspiracy that is as old as time itself as a "veterans site."

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Quote from: kuroman on August 01, 2014, 05:00:36 PM

Zionist shills are not only on reddit but are any proficient media and blogs and I woudn't be surprised if there aren't any here in the forums
I mean you can google it to find tons of articles talking about this matter with testemonies from said shills
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/12/diary-of-an-israeli-shill/
http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa7_1384213143

Heck it's even officially annouced by the Israeli foreigh minister seeking for shills (Israeli source)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3744516,00.html

The Israeli foreign Minister is not even from Israel, Hirschson was born in London, England, and grew up in Johannesburg, South Africa. Yet he is denouncing the legal right of Palestinian people for retaliating against the illegal occupation of their land Huh

http://judaicstudies.cah.ucf.edu/events.php?id=1342

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Zionist shills are not only on reddit but are any proficient media and blogs and I woudn't be surprised if there aren't any here in the forums
I mean you can google it to find tons of articles talking about this matter with testemonies from said shills
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/12/diary-of-an-israeli-shill/
http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa7_1384213143

Heck it's even officially annouced by the Israeli foreigh minister seeking for shills (Israeli source)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3744516,00.html

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Quote from: beetcoin on August 01, 2014, 03:06:59 PM

man this whole israeli-palestine issue is confusing to me. i don't think i can take any sides, because both sides appear to be assholes but victims at the same time.. only israel has more money to get influence from the outside world. maybe israel is a little bit more culpable?

I can understand why they're fighting. The land historically belonged to both sides so they all think it's theirs.
The best way here would be to somehow make this land uninhabitable, not worth fighting for, because they won't share it, there's too much hate.

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Quote from: beetcoin on August 01, 2014, 03:06:59 PM

man this whole israeli-palestine issue is confusing to me. i don't think i can take any sides, because both sides appear to be assholes but victims at the same time.. only israel has more money to get influence from the outside world. maybe israel is a little bit more culpable?

There's always some conflict somewhere in the world and it's always reported as if you should already know all the sordid details.
If I knew of a news station that give a good description of the background of whatever situation as it arises,
I would watch that station without giving a shit what side it's being accused of being biased toward.

Spendulus, read your first post and figured out what you were saying,
If you haven't already blocked me I'd just like you to know that
"Hey, have you seen the Israeli propaganda?"
Does not in anyway mean
"All Hail Hammas"
And to knowingly limit your sources of info or opinion to those that agree with yours is just the saddest thing you could do.

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man this whole israeli-palestine issue is confusing to me. i don't think i can take any sides, because both sides appear to be assholes but victims at the same time.. only israel has more money to get influence from the outside world. maybe israel is a little bit more culpable?

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Quote from: solid12345 on August 01, 2014, 01:42:24 PM

Quote from: SgtSpike on August 01, 2014, 01:35:36 PM

It happened today. Two Israelis killed, one more captured. I heard it was a suicide bomber that killed the two, but it looks like that part is unconfirmed. It happened 1.5 hours after the cease fire was put into effect.

The "beautiful" (use that sarcastically) thing about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is it usually flairs up again every 10-15 years or so which brings in a whole new generation viewing the conflict from the outside with no perspective. I'm sure a big portion of the bitcointalk crowd are in their teens or early 20s and have no memories of Hamas militants strapping on bombs and randomly walking into pizza parlors or getting on buses and blowing themselves up taking out innocent men, women & children. And what did they do it for, bizarre beliefs they will have a heavenly garden and 72 virgins waiting for them.

So, what are the pay rates? Better than PrimeDice, I hope? Grin

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Quote from: SgtSpike on August 01, 2014, 01:35:36 PM

It happened today. Two Israelis killed, one more captured. I heard it was a suicide bomber that killed the two, but it looks like that part is unconfirmed. It happened 1.5 hours after the cease fire was put into effect.

The "beautiful" (use that sarcastically) thing about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is it usually flairs up again every 10-15 years or so which brings in a whole new generation viewing the conflict from the outside with no perspective. I'm sure a big portion of the bitcointalk crowd are in their teens or early 20s and have no memories of Hamas militants strapping on bombs and randomly walking into pizza parlors or getting on buses and blowing themselves up taking out innocent men, women & children. And what did they do it for, bizarre beliefs they will have a heavenly garden and 72 virgins waiting for them.

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Quote from: JohnFromWIT on August 01, 2014, 01:08:04 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on August 01, 2014, 12:50:20 PM

Quote from: JohnFromWIT on August 01, 2014, 09:56:48 AM

They are everywhere at the moment.
It's hard to tell who is a shill and who just believes they have a right to do whatever they want.
If you look at any Isreali media it's shocking the stuff they're saying.
It would be a challange to raise a child there that didn't believe one Israeli life was worth a thousand arab lives.

I'd just like to know what the pay rates are. Both, all sides, etc.

Don't understand what your saying, if it's that the same goes on on the other side, yeah I get that.

Quote from: SgtSpike on August 01, 2014, 12:51:38 PM

Well when Hamas sends in suicide bombers 1 hour after a cease fire starts, it's kind of hard to be terribly sympathetic with them.

The war would be over if Hamas put down its weapons.

When did this happen?

It happened today. Two Israelis killed, one more captured. I heard it was a suicide bomber that killed the two, but it looks like that part is unconfirmed. It happened 1.5 hours after the cease fire was put into effect.

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 01, 2014, 12:50:20 PM

Quote from: JohnFromWIT on August 01, 2014, 09:56:48 AM

They are everywhere at the moment.
It's hard to tell who is a shill and who just believes they have a right to do whatever they want.
If you look at any Isreali media it's shocking the stuff they're saying.
It would be a challange to raise a child there that didn't believe one Israeli life was worth a thousand arab lives.

I'd just like to know what the pay rates are. Both, all sides, etc.

Don't understand what your saying, if it's that the same goes on on the other side, yeah I get that.

Quote from: SgtSpike on August 01, 2014, 12:51:38 PM

Well when Hamas sends in suicide bombers 1 hour after a cease fire starts, it's kind of hard to be terribly sympathetic with them.

The war would be over if Hamas put down its weapons.

When did this happen?

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Well when Hamas sends in suicide bombers 1 hour after a cease fire starts, it's kind of hard to be terribly sympathetic with them.

The war would be over if Hamas put down its weapons.

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Quote from: JohnFromWIT on August 01, 2014, 09:56:48 AM

They are everywhere at the moment.
It's hard to tell who is a shill and who just believes they have a right to do whatever they want.
If you look at any Isreali media it's shocking the stuff they're saying.
It would be a challange to raise a child there that didn't believe one Israeli life was worth a thousand arab lives.

I'd just like to know what the pay rates are. Both, all sides, etc.

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They are everywhere at the moment.
It's hard to tell who is a shill and who just believes they have a right to do whatever they want.
If you look at any Isreali media it's shocking the stuff they're saying.
It would be a challange to raise a child there that didn't believe one Israeli life was worth a thousand arab lives.

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I don't lean any which one way except for peace and love but this is one factor (below). The escalation in conflict, especially that of the media war is probably the primary factor.

http://thehigherlearning.com/2014/07/11/israels-government-is-paying-college-students-to-spread-pro-israel-propaganda-on-social-media/

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Quote from: bitsmichel on July 31, 2014, 09:52:21 PM

Quote from: JimDowJones on July 31, 2014, 06:43:07 PM

Who else noticed the sudden influx of pro-israeli/zionist sentiment on reddit?

I've never been a large redditor but i know the site is not as liberal as it appears to be. There is still censorship and other stuff on the site.

that's because each subreddit has its own mods.. so sure you're going to find some bad apples here and there. overall though, reddit is a pretty good source for news and entertainment.

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Quote from: JimDowJones on July 31, 2014, 06:43:07 PM

Who else noticed the sudden influx of pro-israeli/zionist sentiment on reddit?

I've never been a large redditor but i know the site is not as liberal as it appears to be. There is still censorship and other stuff on the site.

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Quote from: JimDowJones on July 31, 2014, 06:43:07 PM

Who else noticed the sudden influx of pro-israeli/zionist sentiment on reddit?

I have certainly noticed a sudden influx of pro-israeli and pro-arab sentiment here and set a large number of sock puppets on ignore the last two weeks.

Just curious. They pay you to post? Is it a decent amount?

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Who else noticed the sudden influx of pro-israeli/zionist sentiment on reddit?

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