Topic: Brasileirão 2024 - Brazilian Championship Serie A - page 9. (Read 1993 times)

I believe that Corinthians has been in a bad phase for some time, or rather, in stagnation.
Well, at least in the last few years they have managed to remain in Serie A of Brasileirao and qualified for the group stage of the Copa Sul Americana and Libertadores qualifiers. Let's see if Corinthians' performance this year will get worse or better.

Flamengo went through a debt structuring and payment process that began with the administration of president Eduardo Bandeira de Mello in 2013, before it was a bankrupt team full of debt and now it is one of the richest clubs in South America. This change for more professional management resulted in Brazilian titles and 2nd place in the 2019 World Cup in the match with Liverpool.

All this time of instability is in the past, today are days of glory, always competing for titles, but without a doubt Palmeiras has done a little better, but it won't be forever (I hope so lol).

I believe that most of the problems facing Brazilian teams are amateur management and political conflicts within the club itself. I can't imagine anything else.

I think the same about Corinthians. He is making coaching changes but it ends up having no effect. They haven't played well for a long time and at least they give me some confidence.

To tell you the truth, I'm very pessimistic, I support Corinthians, but the team is doing badly
They didn't even qualify for the Paulista championship, they've just changed coach and they still haven't managed to play well

If they continue playing like this, they'll be at the bottom of the championship and have no chance of at least making the top four to qualify for the Libertadores
I don't know how such a big team, with so much sponsorship money, can't get a competitive team

Who else here is pessimistic about the team for the Brasileirão?

It like that because every major competition or championship in every country is always part of various business companies to be able to market their names and also this will bring in large amounts of money from every match because the stadium will always be full of fans from every team that competes.
Distribution will be arranged by the organizer and of course the winner will definitely get number of prizes that they deserve, if it just about the title and championship trophy then I sure every team won't have the enthusiasm to win it.
After all, this is one of the most prestigious football competitions or luxurious competitions in Brazilian football.

Seeing how Palmeiras has developed this season, I see that there is still chance for them to defend their title, if that opportunity is lost and they fail then at least runners-up can still be achieved.
But Palmeiras is playing quite well and they are still the only team that is very consistent with quite good performance this season, their condition is still the same as last season when they managed to become champions.

But hasn't this been going on for long time?
In reality, the controversy that arises cannot change anything and those who are in authority and have full rights over this competition can regulate it.
Moreover, Flamengo is also not stable team, even though they have also been champions of the Brazilian Serie A several times in the 2019 and 2020 season, but in reality we see that on paper Palmeiras is the best.

The 2024 Brazilian championship begins next month, and today is the last day of the transfer window, in the team you follow, are you satisfied with the squad? My team (Flamengo-RJ) made a lot of investments in this first window, an investment of almost 160 million reais in reinforcements: De la Cruz (River Plate-ARG), Matias Viña (Roma-ITA) and Léo Ortiz (Bragantino).

From a bankrupt team to one of Brazil's financial powerhouses... good management makes all the difference

Yes, it really is something very unusual to see and something very Brazilian. But I think that if many teams follow this path, they will act to avoid this type of discussion as there is no point in discussing titles in court.

They should never have taken legal action in this case, that's what sports justice is for... Now imagine if this becomes a pattern? all the teams that feel unfairly decided to take legal action... This is Brazil. zil zil...

Anyway, I think this Sport title is very unfair, because the CBF was unable to organize the 87 championship, which was the responsibility of the club of 13... And we all know the end of the story.

The STF (Supreme Federal Court) resolving issues about football is the face of Brazil. I understand the merit, but the situation and the arguments about who gets which title are quite funny.

I never imagined that this could happen and I thought that Sport would actually be the champion team of the 1987 Brasileirao.
I researched some Brazilian sports and legal websites about this.
The Federal Supreme Court of Brazil (Supremo Tribunal Federal STF) was called and, incredible as it may seem, they denied Flamengo's appeal and kept Sport as champions in 1987.

Source: STF nega recurso ao Flamengo, mantém Sport campeão de 1987 e São Paulo com Taça das Bolinhas
STF mantém Sport como único campeão brasileiro de 1987

Another controversial issue concerns Sport Clube do Recife's title in the 1987 Brazilian Championship, AKA Copa União... Where have you ever seen a team that won the second division be recognized as champions? Even with the club of 13 recognizing Flamengo's title... This was even a case of legal dispute in the supreme court.


more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Campeonato_Brasileiro_Série_A

This is an excellent question and at the same time much discussed and controversial. Some media and football fans in Brazil say that Palmeiras has a world cup, others don't, or that it has fewer Brazilian titles.

I did a brief search and found some interesting information about the Brasileirao champions and I would like to share it with you.

• Palmeiras: 12x champ (1960, 1967, 1967, 1969, 1972, 1973, 1993, 1994, 2016, 2018, 2022 e 2023).
• Santos: 8x champ (1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1968, 2002 e 2004).
• Corinthians: 7x champ (1990, 1998, 1999, 2005, 2011, 2015 e 2017).
• Flamengo: 7x champ (1980, 1982, 1983, 1992, 2009, 2019 e 2020).
• São Paulo: 6x champ (1977, 1986, 1991, 2006, 2007 e 2008).
• Vasco: 4x champ (1974, 1989, 1997 e 2000).
• Fluminense: 4x champ (1970, 1984, 2010 e 2012).
• Cruzeiro: 4x champ (1966, 2003, 2013 e 2014).
• Internacional: 3x champ (1975, 1976 e 1979).
• Atlético-MG: 3x champ (1937, 1971 e 2021).
• Bahia: 2x champ (1959 e 1988).
• Botafogo: 2x champ (1968 e 1995).
• Grêmio: 2x champ (1981 e 1996).
• Guarani: 1x champ (1978).
• Coritiba: 1x champ (1985).
• Sport: 1x champ (1987).
• Athletico-PR: 1x champ (2001).

Source: Brasileirão: confira lista atualizada com todos os campeões

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Hey @rdluffy, sorry, i didn't see your question, but yes, i'm Sao Paulo Fan 

This is quite controversial, as several of these titles were gifts from the corrupt Brazilian entity called CBF, which decided to recognize championships played before 1971 (the first year of the Brazilian championship) as national titles. If it weren't for that, Flamengo would hold the most titles....

And now FIFA decides to send a document considering Palmeiras world champion in 1950 [1]. For me it's a joke.

Palmeiras doesn't have a world cup

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reference:

[1] https://www.espn.com.br/futebol/palmeiras/artigo/_/id/13313836/fifa-reconheceu-o-palmeiras-como-campeao-mundial-entenda-por-que-polemica-foi-reacendida-com-ata

It's strange, but it's like that in most world championships. Especially when it comes to “Franchises” where the focus is on the ecosystem as a whole and not just one or two teams.

Yes this's true. I believe that a large part of the prize pool comes from sponsors. I just can't say precisely what this percentage is, but it depends on the team and also on the sponsors, but as the Brasileirão is national championship, I have no doubt that the prize pool will be relatively high compared to other championships.

Talking about Palmeiras, yes, I also believe that they can be champion of the Brazilian championship in 2024, or at least be in the top 3. In recent years they have been a very consistent team and this is proven by their results, for example, in the In recent years, Palmeiras was champion of the Brasileirao in 2023, 2022 and 2018, in the years it was not champion (in the period I mentioned), it finished the championship in the top 3, only in the year 2020/2021 it finished in 7th place in the Brasileirao

Unfortunately, I have seen that many state championships will simply end!
The amounts that these clubs receive from broadcasting rights often barely pay the salaries of a club's players, especially in the Gaucho championship, for example, which has a small audience that is limited to the southern states of the country.
It may even be that these championships will continue to exist in the future, but only with the participation of smaller clubs.

It's sad to see that a country where football is the main sport is losing good championships due to lack of interest (money).

Anyway... the state championships will soon end and we will start the Brasileirão 2024

Usually from each competition there will be some income to be able to provide prizes from each winner, as far as I know there is some money coming in such as from sponsors, several broadcast companies such as TV and also streaming platforms as well as from ticket sales in matches.
But everything has distribution in percentages that many people really don't know, the distribution of prizes may indeed be relatively different depending on the competition taking place.
It just that for some big competitions, I sure the prizes are of course also in a decent amount because if championship or competition doesn't have decent prizes it also becomes championship that can't develop, each team has large expenses from paying players, coaches and all management.
After all, everything can run well because of money and without money the development of sports, especially football, cannot possibly develop well.

2024 Brasileiro Serie A will start on April 13 with total of 38 matches, and Palmeiras will be the defending champion in the 2022 and 2023 seasons.
Palmeiras is also the most successful team in this competition so there is possibility that they will win again and defend the title.
They are team that has managed to gain lot of benefits from the Brasileiro Serie A competition which is also one of the main competitions in Brazilian football.

My Flamengo won the Guanabara Cup (first round of the state championship in Rio de Janeiro) and had the top scorer (Pedro with 8 goals)... Gabigol apparently became a luxury reserve, Tite is practically the same as Jorge Jesus' beginning... This year we will compete for the Brazilian title for sure....

Here in the forum there are bets to see who will be the Brazilian champion? Was there anything in previous years?

Hmm...that's interesting!
I believe it will vary from championship to championship, in state or national championships I believe that each one should have its own specific prize, but this is relative.
I have no doubt that, when the prize pool is in cash/money, this can encourage teams to be more competitive and fierce and as a result, we can have several interesting games to watch.
I confess that I will be curious to watch some games from these championships, especially the Brasileirao and Copa do Brasil.

The explanation for the lack of a prize for the winner is a bit confusing and makes no sense to me

According to the Rio de Janeiro federation (in 2023 there were no prizes either), the lack of performance prizes is due to the lack of unanimity between the participating teams and the agency responsible for broadcasting the matches
So they only receive and will receive the rights to broadcast the games

To me, this is a generic explanation and they haven't given any more information
Here's a source, but it's in PT in case anyone is interested in reading it: HERE

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Another example, the Gauchao (RS) championship also has no prize for the winner