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Quote from: Gozie51 on April 19, 2024, 08:24:02 AM

Quote from: oktana on April 18, 2024, 07:52:48 PM

I am sure that if a black man was to contest as the president of America, a huge majority (not all) will vote for him irrespective of his ability to manage the nation if he won.

Except you were trying to mean a Nigerian contesting for the president of America and of course it is the Nigerian religious bigots that will vote a Nigerian as the president of America.

However, talking of black man being the president of America, there have been Barack Obama as African American black president and Kamala Harris as vice president.

I don’t know about Nigeria, but when Barack Obama was contesting, his support came mostly from blacks. Right? The whites hated him (till he left) just because he was black and many blacks liked him because he was black. I know certain people liked him because they knew he was a capable president, however, most of the votes, likes, and dislikes were based of on factors like what I just described which isn’t the real thing to be worried about. That’s what I mean.

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Important thumb rule to be successful politician is divide and conquer. It can be based on religion, race, etc as long as they can influence people in the way they want to. We can say we need a change in the way we elect our leaders but it looks like the change is impossible with the democracy.

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that is a reality that people have to accept, especially people in developing countries where the influence of religion is still very strong. usually they will choose leaders based on their religion or ethnicity, but the most frequent choice is based on religion. even in my country, the funniest thing is that many people here say that it would be better for them to choose a corrupt leader who has the same religion as them, compared to a good leader who has a different religion, that's quite funny, isn't it? but that's what they are.

i don't want to blame them for choosing a leader like that, because according to them it is the teachings of their religion to choose a leader who is of the same religion as them. and i think this also has something to do with their knowledge which is also quite limited, so it is difficult to make them aware.

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Quote from: oktana on April 18, 2024, 07:52:48 PM

Hopefully the people who do such act can decrease in number so there is a more genuine selection.

To what level exactly can they reduce to? Those who are hodling country to her knees are usually very very few but are backed by government.

Quote from: oktana on April 18, 2024, 07:52:48 PM

I am sure that if a black man was to contest as the president of America, a huge majority (not all) will vote for him irrespective of his ability to manage the nation if he won.

Except you were trying to mean a Nigerian contesting for the president of America and of course it is the Nigerian religious bigots that will vote a Nigerian as the president of America.

However, talking of black man being the president of America, there have been Barack Obama as African American black president and Kamala Harris as vice president.

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The sad truth is that this may never change, it is possible that people would never stop blindly voting for people just because they come from the same ethnicity or religion instead of the capability to handle the said position. Hopefully the people who do such act can decrease in number so there is a more genuine selection.

I am sure that if a black man was to contest as the president of America, a huge majority (not all) will vote for him irrespective of his ability to manage the nation if he won.

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In the past, only leaders from different tribes and groups were allowed to vote so the candidates were wisely chosen and the result was satisfying they ended up getting real leaders who could lead their countries to success and that was the real freedom is because you put the trust to your leader rather than giving everyone the freedom to vote and the result is horrible just like what happens to the other countries right now, the result of their past elections was wild and their leader is clearly a not eligible to run countries which always ended up in regret and our own country is suffering the same as well. If only we could use the same strategy right now, we could have gotten some real leaders like Bukele of El Salvador to run our countries so that they won't be having any corruption.

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People are not the ones that made the corrupt leaders, and some of the leaders has corrupt before in the society which people know so much in the society before going into politics, and if you look at their history in politics you will discover that they got their political appointment based on the influence of family members, and such people will never be a good leader than to be a corrupt leaders in the society.

But country where vote are count for the favour of the country, I don't think such country will make corrupt people to be their leaders, and such country leaders will be doing the right thing for the favour of their country because they know how they got to their position.

Yes, you can find such corrupt leaders in Africa because the leaders of Africa are not ready to stop such habit among themselves, that is why you see upcoming leaders are still planning to follow the corrupt way.

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

You should know that there are some countries that the people cannot decide who will be their leader, because the people in charge of the government have made life miserable for the citizens, by putting them in a poverty level. This is done in other for them to make the people not have that power to go against their will. If you talk against the government, you get killed. No freedom of speech and everyone is living in fear.

No matter what the people do, to vote out these bad leaders, it will be in vain because they have corrupt people like them that should be able to challenge them or put a stop to their evil intentions, but these people will even support them, because everyone is after their pockets.

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Quote from: Negotiation on March 17, 2024, 07:20:05 AM

In fact here we have people who create opportunities for corruption, leaders cannot do corruption at will but a section of common people want to corrupt with their help to make themselves more independent. Because of which the leaders get the opportunity to commit corruption. So I think that common people create the opportunity to do corruption. That's why our leaders took the opportunity. However, there are currently many countries where voting is not required or there is no need to elect a leader.

Corruption occurs because the monitoring system during campaigns and elections is weak. It should be noted that when a candidate during the campaign period commits fraud, for example by distributing money during the campaign, when he becomes a leader, he will still use the wrong methods in leading. , whether he is a council member, regent, mayor or even president, because if we do the wrong thing then our thoughts and every step we take will continue to be directed down the wrong path. So in choosing a leader there must also be good criteria, otherwise there will be destruction somewhere if the wrong leader is chosen

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

There's always that tribalistic sentiment when it comes to appointing or electing people into leadership positions, people will want the leadership to come from their tribe or family, they're not even concerned if they don't have qualified candidates from their tribe, region or party, this is why most underdeveloped countries or communities never experience progress.

What about when majority of people in a country comes together and votes a credible candidate that they believe will better their economy, then the electoral body rigs the election? So it's not in every election that the electorates will vote based on tribal sentiments, sometimes they vote based on track records of the candidates to deliver excellent leadership, but higher powers will rig the election, this practice is very common in Africa.

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It is quite pathetic to see that the very people who promised us all the good benefits of governance change completely immediately after being voted into office and it is very obvious that we the masses are the ones who empower them to do what they do. Corruption is not promoted by one person alone, both the leaders and the masses are guilty in one way or the other of corrupt practices. During elections, the masses have the power to choose who they want to govern them, but they are often blindfolded by ethnic sentiments, religious sentiments and other forms of sentiments. Our leaders cannot cheat us all the time if we do not empower them to cheat us. We can only make them accountable if we stop accepting bribes and unsolicited benefits from them for selfish favours that will be detrimental to the whole nation.

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Quote from: Y3shot on March 23, 2024, 04:03:44 PM

This is just the reason why Africa is backwards in development because they do not do the real thing. Instead to vote for a leader that can deliver , can do the job very well they will prefer to choose someone from same tribe, religion who can not do anything, forgetting that bad governance doesn't know tribe , it affects every one. This has been the way Africa people have been choosing their leaders, they don't choose someone who can deliver but choose people according to tribe.

Corruption is not something that we need to talk about because there are lots of things involved and it usually started like a smoke from a basket, with time it will diffuse to other regions making things worse for the common people.
There is nothing we could do about it, all we have to keep doing is to protest, complain or cause conflict but corruption might still not end like that. It is very important we need to do things that would help us vote out the bad government but this could also be a difficult approach.

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

I would hold people accountable for being in a creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

You may be saddened by the nature of global leadership, but I respectfully disagree that the people only should be held accountable for producing a bad and corrupt leader in the nation. Many people are uninterested in political power, and they are powerless to do anything if political leaders want it. Standing firm on their mandate may cost them their lives, if not more. Corrupt leaders are always the most powerful in politics, and their success and power stem from arrogance and corruption. They are the most difficult to fight with unless you have a strong person who can stand for the people and be the voice of the people with some strong political power.

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This is just the reason why Africa is backwards in development because they do not do the real thing. Instead to vote for a leader that can deliver , can do the job very well they will prefer to choose someone from same tribe, religion who can not do anything, forgetting that bad governance doesn't know tribe , it affects every one. This has been the way Africa people have been choosing their leaders, they don't choose someone who can deliver but choose people according to tribe.

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Well it's frustrating how leaders bank on tribal or sectarian support, ignoring merit and fostering corruption. Holding people accountable for enabling these leaders is a big deal. Until voters prioritize merit over identity, change won't happen. It's up to all of us to demand integrity from our leaders. Let's break the cycle and elect those who truly serve the people, not their own interests

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Quote from: Gozie51 on March 20, 2024, 09:53:23 AM

Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

I don't think that is absolutely correct that you will hold people accountable for creating corrupt leader. So in a democracy, before a new government is formed they conduct election for the candidates who have shown interest to to be voted for, so you can only be correct in your submission if people did not come out to vote their choice and most times the people have majority of their vote to one candidate but what happens after election is what determines who the few in power want and they will manipulate the result of the election and announce a wrong candidate. In this case would you say the people voted a corrupt leader?

The bulk of the people leading are not the choice of the people especially in third world countries where corruption is very high.

Therefore, it is not the fault of the people that their leaders are corrupt.

This may be limited to third world country with extremely corrupt officials as well. I got your point this is something which would be exceptional cases but unfortunately there are higher chances of such things to occur in most of the third world/under developed nations. The only way out for them is a genuine leader coming out of corrupt political party or a change of heart from corrupt leaders.

Yes, I cannot blame people in this situation and I think Egypt and Syria are great example wherein the opposition is selected by the ruling party which eradicates the chances of genuine opponents.

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

I don't think that is absolutely correct that you will hold people accountable for creating corrupt leader. So in a democracy, before a new government is formed they conduct election for the candidates who have shown interest to to be voted for, so you can only be correct in your submission if people did not come out to vote their choice and most times the people have majority of their vote to one candidate but what happens after election is what determines who the few in power want and they will manipulate the result of the election and announce a wrong candidate. In this case would you say the people voted a corrupt leader?

The bulk of the people leading are not the choice of the people especially in third world countries where corruption is very high.

Therefore, it is not the fault of the people that their leaders are corrupt.

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

We have often seen how leaders who got into power because of backing from their tribe, sect or regional and ethnicities are the most corrupt ones because they knows that their people will vote for them regardless they do any good work or not. Look at African nations and even some Arab nations the reason why they are going through corruption and suffering is because people don't vote based on merit rather on personal relationship like sect, ethnicity or religion and then there comes countries like India and Pakistan where they win based on vote from majority community by instilling fear that minorities gonna rule them if not votes to power and next five years everyone suffers.

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

Well, this notion is changing with every passing year. Now, people are more aware of what is best for them and their country. The influence of politicians based on caste and fear is fading and people are looking for a representative who is answerable to them. I am talking about Pakistan. In the recent elections, people have voted against the military-backed political parties and in favour of jailed former Prime Minister Imran Khan. Khan's backed independents won over 160 seats as per early estimates and the military rigged the elections in broad daylight to cut Khan's independents to around 90. They won despite a severe crackdown on the Khan's party, kidnapping, snatching nomination papers, sealing and demolishing their businesses and houses etc. Things are continuously changing and it appears that the army is losing control over the people.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/17/senior-pakistan-official-admits-election-rigging-as-protests-grip-country
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/18/world/asia/pakistan-election.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68302678
https://www.economist.com/asia/2024/02/09/confusion-reigns-in-pakistans-rigged-election
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/11/pakistan-police-crack-down-on-pti-protests-over-alleged-rigging-in-election
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-lawmakers-demand-probe-into-pakistan-election-rigging-allegations/7511045.html

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

Well stating this in a nation where the vote if people can't is acceptable not in a nation where citizens vote and right are not considered. The nation like my nation were few lawyers called judges turn down the vote if millions of people and the arm forces stop citizens from protesting and even citizens vote don't count, result are change u can say that stating to hold people or citizens responsible for curruption leaders is not ideal.

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The leaders are not the only corrupt ones involved in the menace happening in the societies, they make use of the citizens as well in joining them make the practice of these corruption and they accepted working for them as their errand dogs to engage in all forms of corruption, but when we know our rights, no one can deceive us and tell us what is not, we need to just believe in ourselves and the future in us that we can make it even without the help of any corrupt means.

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