How Can We Identify Someone Who Uses AI?

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Quote from: domiin on May 12, 2024, 10:35:11 AM

Quote from: PaulBf1 on July 21, 2023, 06:57:52 PM

There are many free tools available online to check wether a text was written using AI or not (with high accuracy) like this one.

Can you name some of these tools ? I searched online but most offerings appeared to be scam only.

There's a thread in the reputation board where you can report those who are using AI to make posts. Some of the tools they're using online are Copyleaks, Hive, Sapling, ZeroGPT and GPTZero. It's useful for making sure that what you're reading is reliable. However, like any tool it's important to verify that it's not making errors itself.

You can report here if find someone using AI: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ai-spam-report-reference-thread-5456516

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Quote from: PaulBf1 on July 21, 2023, 06:57:52 PM

There are many free tools available online to check wether a text was written using AI or not (with high accuracy) like this one.

Can you name some of these tools ? I searched online but most offerings appeared to be scam only.

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I wondered, what do you say about this topic [ANN][IDO] RGames [RGAME]: Revolutionizing Racing - Develop, Play, and Earn!? Do you think there are a lot of posts in this topic written by AI? Only without verification Wink

I am not sure if all of them are AI generated...

And I'm not saying that all the posts there are exactly written by AI. But there are a lot of those posts. At least that's what the AI checker I used to check the posts says. And yes, I did not check all posts, but only those that made me suspicious.

I checked only the first page. There are a few AI generated text in the first page, while the rest are some randomly generated hooks by the project owners which they shared to a group of people whose duty is to copy and paste the posts in intervals. By suspicion, a newbie could be misinterpreted for using AI because they have not written enough posts to enable people master their posting patterns. But most AI users I have seen are newbies. Once the grammar is too correct and nicely formatted and posted by a newbie, it could be AI generated (80%) turns out to be true most times.

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Quote from: Jessie2121 on July 21, 2023, 07:16:51 PM

I thought the forum have a rule stating that it shouldn't be used, take a look at how campaign are having these bonus of a thing, I really can't remember the manager but they do give bonus for best post, don't you think most of them do use AI to advance their post.

@Jessie2121, on this forum there are too many smart people and you can not outsmart everyone while using AI to make post, if you do that frequently, you will definitely be caught and yoy will receive a red trust. What you are saying about wining bonus with AI post is just a false because no body will make post consistently with AI without being unnoticed.

I haven't seen anyone who was given a red tag because they made use of AI; rather, what they have been given as a warning is neutral to warn others of their involvement in AI usage.

Aside from the neutral, it seems there have also been some adjustments to the forum rules because I have seen users getting temporary bans due to AI usage and some permanent bans too, of which I don't know the length or gravity that is used to decide their punishment.

Regarding the red or neutral flag, well, it's obvious that it's what you've not seen as you said, so I should not go there, especially for the reason that I have not also seen it. But I doubt it if there won't be such cases, particularly if the detection is 100% when software is being used to ascertain it.

But as you said, I am sure that many would have been banned due to the use of AI. Do you know why? Though, we may not be investigating each case, nevertheless, what is important here is that there is no way you can be using AI to generate your posts and not plagiarise, and plagiarism is seriously frowned upon on the forum. This invariably means that many would have been flagged to have warned them and later got banned for such an offence if they were warned but didn't turn a new leaf.

As for the extent of the punishment, I don't think there is a lesser punishment than permanent banning in this situation unless such a person later begs or appeal somehow.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on May 08, 2024, 01:00:34 PM

I am not sure if all of them are AI generated, but this topic is full of crap written by newbies that are all probably controlled by one farm, same generic account names, posts generated in same style that creates fake conversation.
I don't visit jungle of altcoins section in forum so often but someone really needs to start reporting posts like this.

They are not AI-generated. Most of the altcoin projects don't spend a lot of money on their marketing campaigns for some reason known to them. They tend to hire people or maybe a single person who makes accounts or already has a bunch of accounts on different public platforms where they would shill the project. Suppose an announcement about the project is made on one of those platforms, just like the one we are discussing here. In that case, that person tends to make generic informational posts, with different accounts, about the project to keep the ANN active and make the project look active and kicking.

Look at this:

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Players can improve and alter their vehicles to fit their preferred racing style thanks to the game's custom vehicle design option, which makes for a more customised racing experience.

Gamers can earn through a variety of actions, such as creating content, participating in races, or even just watching in-game events. Everyone can access R Games' Alpha edition, which offers an early look at its dynamic racing ecosystem.

The game will feature NFTs as necessary components with the release of the beta version. These components will include consumables and game assets like vehicles, which are crucial for competing in races and realising the full potential of the game.

This is indeed a dream every player will have to experience in real time on RGAMES.

This is the first post on that thread after the OP made the announcement, and the fun fact is, this was the first post of the poster in the forum and he never made any other posts after this. Are we supposed to think that it is some random guy who joined the forum out of nowhere, visited that section, opened that specific announcement, made a post containing a bunch of information about the project and vanished after it? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Xal0lex on May 07, 2024, 05:49:42 PM

I wondered, what do you say about this topic [ANN][IDO] RGames [RGAME]: Revolutionizing Racing - Develop, Play, and Earn!? Do you think there are a lot of posts in this topic written by AI? Only without verification Wink

I am not sure if all of them are AI generated...

And I'm not saying that all the posts there are exactly written by AI. But there are a lot of those posts. At least that's what the AI checker I used to check the posts says. And yes, I did not check all posts, but only those that made me suspicious.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on May 06, 2024, 02:40:57 PM

I wonder what your definition of “reputable AI checker” is? To date, I personally have not met an AI checker that I would call authoritative. Absolutely all AI checkers have one or another error in AI text detection. Although I have one AI checker that I trust the most.

All of the AI checker tools I tried have flaws and they make big mistakes, but combination of several tools gives lower margin of error, and some common sense is always needed in the end.

Quote from: Xal0lex on May 07, 2024, 05:49:42 PM

I wondered, what do you say about this topic [ANN][IDO] RGames [RGAME]: Revolutionizing Racing - Develop, Play, and Earn!? Do you think there are a lot of posts in this topic written by AI? Only without verification Wink

I am not sure if all of them are AI generated, but this topic is full of crap written by newbies that are all probably controlled by one farm, same generic account names, posts generated in same style that creates fake conversation.
I don't visit jungle of altcoins section in forum so often but someone really needs to start reporting posts like this.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 07, 2024, 05:18:11 PM

I have 45,000 plus posts. franky1 has 40,000 plus.

we should be perfect targets for a good ai programmer to mimic.

Would love to see if it gets done.

I wouldn't think of it so much as being a "target" as a "test subject."

You have a particular style of posting as well, although it is not quite as pronounced as franky1.

When I get some spare time, I'll see what I can do to make it happen... it must be possible.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on May 06, 2024, 11:29:53 AM

...and then use a reputable AI checker...

I wonder what your definition of “reputable AI checker” is? To date, I personally have not met an AI checker that I would call authoritative. Absolutely all AI checkers have one or another error in AI text detection. Although I have one AI checker that I trust the most.

Lolz... Maybe the idea came from this forum. Such phrases as "reputable forum member".
I detect AI written posts without any tool. But I do this only on subjects I am well knowledgeable about. Any topic I know to my finger tips, I will be able to detect AI texts. Either from;
The use of words;
Formatting;
Lack of emotions;
Expressing ideas in more generalized form rather than being personal.
If you fix your mind to this, you will see how easy it is. Unless you are not familiar with the subject the AI is trying to express.

I wondered, what do you say about this topic [ANN][IDO] RGames [RGAME]: Revolutionizing Racing - Develop, Play, and Earn!? Do you think there are a lot of posts in this topic written by AI? Only without verification Wink

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Quote from: Casdinyard on May 06, 2024, 11:29:53 AM

...and then use a reputable AI checker...

I wonder what your definition of “reputable AI checker” is? To date, I personally have not met an AI checker that I would call authoritative. Absolutely all AI checkers have one or another error in AI text detection. Although I have one AI checker that I trust the most.

Lolz... Maybe the idea came from this forum. Such phrases as "reputable forum member".
I detect AI written posts without any tool. But I do this only on subjects I am well knowledgeable about. Any topic I know to my finger tips, I will be able to detect AI texts. Either from;
The use of words;
Formatting;
Lack of emotions;
Expressing ideas in more generalized form rather than being personal.
If you fix your mind to this, you will see how easy it is. Unless you are not familiar with the subject the AI is trying to express.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 05, 2024, 06:07:01 PM

I want to a thread attempting to write as if I am an AI.

Mostly out of intellectual curiosity .

Has any one made a thread with well known posters trying to write like AI.

I have personally checked over 1000 of my posts and none register as ai.

My interest has a few points. Should a guy copy every post made by me and feed it into An ai generator that attempts to write like I

I really wanted to train ChatGPT to write in the style of franky1. I fed it like 100 of his posts and told it to write a response in his style, which is a very distinct writing style. It couldn't do it. What it could do was mimic his negativity and more-or-less convey his positions on things. But it couldn't capture the essence of his style.

If you want to train an AI language model to write in your style, I'm sure its possible, I just don't know what tool to use to make that happen.

thank for this post. I think this is going to be a real issue down the road.

I have 45,000 plus posts. franky1 has 40,000 plus.

we should be perfect targets for a good ai programmer to mimic.

Would love to see if it gets done.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on May 06, 2024, 11:29:53 AM

...and then use a reputable AI checker...

I wonder what your definition of “reputable AI checker” is? To date, I personally have not met an AI checker that I would call authoritative. Absolutely all AI checkers have one or another error in AI text detection. Although I have one AI checker that I trust the most.

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Quote from: Jessie2121 on July 21, 2023, 06:47:33 PM

The use of AI to make a quality post is a big offense in this Forum and I believe we still have members who are still doing as we speak.
I can't tell why they do it or is it because of how the high ranked members preach so much about making quality post before you earn merit that's the cause of people using AI to post or is there something we need to know that's the cause of breaking this rule.
How can we wash off this ill behavior? Because I know the offenders know it's not good and they know the implications if found doing it. What's the best thing to do to stop the use of AI from going on in this Forum?

As of the moment there is no real way for you to automatically detect whether someone's using AI or someone's fetching info from good old ChatGPT, but there are copy checkers out there that have been able to flush out AI content a good amount of time.

Although let me just get one thing out of the way, do not use Copyleaks to check for the validity of a certain comment. They have been known across twitter and reddit to have been erroneous in providing valid results. Someone across the internet fed it the fist chapter of the Bible and Tagged it as AI, and I've been accused of being an AI writer myself in my main line of work by new clients all cause they use copyleaks, which is a fucking bummer and a kick in the balls to my principle and morals as a writer myself.

So if you're going to get in there and check whether someone's content is AI, first check with your intuition, and then use a reputable AI checker, then post it in reputation with screenshots to show for it so you don't look like a goofball accusing someone of using AI without verifiable evidence.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 05, 2024, 06:07:01 PM

I want to a thread attempting to write as if I am an AI.

Mostly out of intellectual curiosity .

Has any one made a thread with well known posters trying to write like AI.

I have personally checked over 1000 of my posts and none register as ai.

My interest has a few points. Should a guy copy every post made by me and feed it into An ai generator that attempts to write like I

I really wanted to train ChatGPT to write in the style of franky1. I fed it like 100 of his posts and told it to write a response in his style, which is a very distinct writing style. It couldn't do it. What it could do was mimic his negativity and more-or-less convey his positions on things. But it couldn't capture the essence of his style.

If you want to train an AI language model to write in your style, I'm sure its possible, I just don't know what tool to use to make that happen.

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Quote from: Orpichukwu on May 05, 2024, 11:16:39 AM

I haven't seen anyone who was given a red tag because they made use of AI; rather, what they have been given as a warning is neutral to warn others of their involvement in AI usage.

Just like plagiarism. AI generated post spam is more a moderation thing. The neutral tags left on the account help user and campaign managers keep track of such users just incase they don't get banned by the moderators.

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 05, 2024, 06:07:01 PM

Has any one made a thread with well known posters trying to write like AI.

I don't know any. I just know one where people who use AI to make posts are reported.

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 05, 2024, 06:07:01 PM

My interest has a few points. Should a guy copy every post made by me and feed it into An ai generator that attempts to write like I

do?

If you did do that would my new posts look ai?

As of now, the common AI bots seem to write content in a specific way easily noticeable by anyone sharp even without using an AI content detector. Maybe Grok can be a little subtle

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Quote from: Orpichukwu on May 05, 2024, 11:16:39 AM

I haven't seen anyone who was given a red tag because they made use of AI; rather, what they have been given as a warning is neutral to warn others of their involvement in AI usage.

That's okay, because that's not what the trust system is built for.

Quote from: Orpichukwu on May 05, 2024, 11:16:39 AM

Aside from the neutral, it seems there have also been some adjustments to the forum rules because I have seen users getting temporary bans due to AI usage and some permanent bans too, of which I don't know the length or gravity that is used to decide their punishment.

And can you give me at least one example of an account temporarily banned for using AI? Because I haven't come across any. Maybe you know more about it?

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I post like mad been doing it long before AI became an issue.

I want to a thread attempting to write as if I am an AI.

Mostly out of intellectual curiosity .

Has any one made a thread with well known posters trying to write like AI.

I have personally checked over 1000 of my posts and none register as ai.

My interest has a few points. Should a guy copy every post made by me and feed it into An ai generator that attempts to write like I

do?

If you did do that would my new posts look ai?

Any and all copious long term posters could be knocked off.

My wife asked me to see the new mummy trailer and the new pirates of the carrabian trailer on YouTube. BOTH were ai fakes.

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Quote from: Jessie2121 on July 21, 2023, 07:16:51 PM

I thought the forum have a rule stating that it shouldn't be used, take a look at how campaign are having these bonus of a thing, I really can't remember the manager but they do give bonus for best post, don't you think most of them do use AI to advance their post.

@Jessie2121, on this forum there are too many smart people and you can not outsmart everyone while using AI to make post, if you do that frequently, you will definitely be caught and yoy will receive a red trust. What you are saying about wining bonus with AI post is just a false because no body will make post consistently with AI without being unnoticed.

I haven't seen anyone who was given a red tag because they made use of AI; rather, what they have been given as a warning is neutral to warn others of their involvement in AI usage.

Aside from the neutral, it seems there have also been some adjustments to the forum rules because I have seen users getting temporary bans due to AI usage and some permanent bans too, of which I don't know the length or gravity that is used to decide their punishment.

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Quote from: Jessie2121 on July 21, 2023, 07:16:51 PM

I thought the forum have a rule stating that it shouldn't be used, take a look at how campaign are having these bonus of a thing, I really can't remember the manager but they do give bonus for best post, don't you think most of them do use AI to advance their post.

@Jessie2121, on this forum there are too many smart people and you can not outsmart everyone while using AI to make post, if you do that frequently, you will definitely be caught and yoy will receive a red trust. What you are saying about wining bonus with AI post is just a false because no body will make post consistently with AI without being unnoticed.

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While there may be tools in order to determine if a text is made by AI, you just actually observe on the phrase itself on how it describes the whole sentence.

Generally, AI written texts and/or phrases contain some hifalutin words or repetitive adjectives to describe a simple thing. Also, if the delivery of the phrase looks "robotic" in a way, then you can at least have an idea that it was AI generated.

The tools that some provided here are secondary sources that can be utilized for you to confirm if the said text is really AI-generated. But the first step will always come from your own observation on how the person delivered the said text or sentence.

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Usually, I notice AI posts when they respond with much more content than required. A newbie making four paragraph long posts, is quite suspicious.

Are you trying to say you use an App or something more to detect if a post is AI? Because I myself I can't seem to figure it out or identify an AI post by reading or looking at it... In what way can we find it suspicious before we conclude ? To b honest I don't think is 95% possible by looking at a post without running it to check, this is confusing you know.

Like what I mentioned above, it is about the delivery of the said sentence on what differs compared to a normal person writing a sentence. Let's try to make a simple example:

According to chatgpt, I asked the question "what is love" and this is the answer it gave:

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Love is a complex and multifaceted emotion that can be difficult to define succinctly because it encompasses various feelings, experiences, and actions. At its core, love often involves deep affection, care, and attachment towards someone or something. It can manifest in many forms, including romantic love, platonic love, familial love, and even love for objects, ideas, or activities.

I mean, if a person were to define love, they will most likely define it a way that they will associate their own experiences with it. Basically, chatgpt's description is so textbook to the point that it looks very robotic and AI-generated.

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