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fillippone

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Quote from: fillippone on July 12, 2022, 03:16:20 AM

Quote from: Halab on July 12, 2022, 03:10:27 AM

Completely ? Ha yes, now that you mention that, a big MS seems to be inactive for a few months.

Inactive is just part of the story: he has been writing quite regularly and got merits. He just stopped sending merits, both as MS and as regular user.
I think he might have good reasons for this.

@Ratimov just confirmed not being a merit source anymore.
It is now up to him if he wants to disclose a little bit about the reasons that led him to this decision.

JayJuanGee

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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

Quote from: fillippone on July 12, 2022, 03:16:20 AM

Quote from: Halab on July 12, 2022, 03:10:27 AM

Completely ? Ha yes, now that you mention that, a big MS seems to be inactive for a few months.

Inactive is just part of the story: he has been writing quite regularly and got merits. He just stopped sending merits, both as MS and as regular user.
I think he might have good reasons for this.

On Strike.

Against dee cornz.

don't like king daddy no more.

bumped his head and forgot the meaning of "my lil precious."

Got bitten by a skunk and mistakenly presumed that it was a honey badger.

Was earning 20% "yield" through various imitation bitcoin entities, and found out that NGU technologies no doesn't work on dee fake cornz.. and instead of losing 100% on the best asymmetric bet that man has seen to be designed to pump forever.. lost 10x more cornz than he had.. so bumbed out about not having no cornz.. and ONLY having negative cornz.. .... ..

Pro tip: don't be gambling with dee cornz... it's already designed to pump forever.. why get greeeeeeeeeeeddy?

fillippone

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Quote from: Halab on July 12, 2022, 03:10:27 AM

Completely ? Ha yes, now that you mention that, a big MS seems to be inactive for a few months.

Inactive is just part of the story: he has been writing quite regularly and got merits. He just stopped sending merits, both as MS and as regular user.
I think he might have good reasons for this.

Halab

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I find your lack of faith in Bitcoin disturbing.

Quote from: fillippone on July 11, 2022, 06:41:05 PM

You obviously know something, but you cannot tell us much.

Mods can see the MS list, so it was easy to make the deduction. But I don't really know the details, if the ex-MS wants to talk about it, he/she will.

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I have seen only a single merit source that has completely stopped sending merits since a couple of months.
I don’t know if we are talking about the same person.

Completely ? Ha yes, now that you mention that, a big MS seems to be inactive for a few months.

fillippone

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Quote from: Halab on July 11, 2022, 01:59:11 PM

Quote from: tranthidung on July 11, 2022, 10:07:00 AM

It is minor change compares to 1 year ago, in July 2021. I guess 1 merit source was removed.

You are right there is one less Merit Source. And in my opinion, from what I've seen in the last few weeks, it is the MS that had to ask not to be a MS anymore.

You obviously know something, but you cannot tell us much.
I have seen only a single merit source that has completely stopped sending merits since a couple of months.
I don’t know if we are talking about the same person.

Halab

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I find your lack of faith in Bitcoin disturbing.

Quote from: tranthidung on July 11, 2022, 10:07:00 AM

It is minor change compares to 1 year ago, in July 2021. I guess 1 merit source was removed.

You are right there is one less Merit Source. And in my opinion, from what I've seen in the last few weeks, it is the MS that had to ask not to be a MS anymore.

tranthidung

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Activity: 2170

Merit: 3858

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: fillippone on July 11, 2022, 11:14:51 AM

It has been almost one year since last merit source shuffle.

The silence of merit shuffle is one of reasons I did not regularly visit merit source page as I often did before the latest reshuffle wave.

Quote from: Rikafip on July 11, 2022, 11:35:49 AM

I think that situation merit wise is pretty good and much better compared to year ago when theymos introduced new merit sources and removed the inactive ones. For example, last month 26,486 merits were shared which is a ~100% increase compared to year ago (June 2021) during which only 13,286 merits were shared.

theymos has many criteria and total distributed merit per month by all merit sources to consider and make any changes for merit sources and monthly smerit allocations for them. Such as

Distribution changes in local boards or local threads.
Ratio of total merited posts/ total posts monthly
Rate of merit per merited posts in general and over boards
And more

After 5 years here, should I apply to be a merit source and join the gang Cheesy

Rikafip

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Quote from: fillippone on July 11, 2022, 11:14:51 AM

It has been almost one year since last merit source shuffle.
Wondering if we will have another adjustment on July 17th, the date of the first anniversary.

Looking at the sent merit per month, I don't think that theymos will do the same thing he did year ago. I think that situation merit wise is pretty good and much better compared to year ago when theymos introduced new merit sources and removed the inactive ones. For example, last month 26,486 merits were shared which is a ~100% increase compared to year ago (June 2021) during which only 13,286 merits were shared.

fillippone

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Quote from: tranthidung on July 11, 2022, 10:07:00 AM

1 year and I come back.

Honestly, I did not check merit sources page in many months
So I don't know when the latest change was made
But the update is, currently "there are 110 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 33989 sMerit per 30 days"
It is minor change compares to 1 year ago, in July 2021. I guess 1 merit source was removed.

Nice find!
It has been almost one year since last merit source shuffle.
Wondering if we will have another adjustment on July 17th, the date of the first anniversary.

tranthidung

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Activity: 2170

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Farewell o_e_l_e_o

1 year and I come back.

Honestly, I did not check merit sources page in many months
So I don't know when the latest change was made
But the update is, currently "there are 110 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 33989 sMerit per 30 days"
It is minor change compares to 1 year ago, in July 2021. I guess 1 merit source was removed.

tranthidung

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Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: fillippone on July 06, 2021, 04:24:36 PM

Any hint on who the new merit sources are?
I saw one of them confessing on another thread. So at least 13 missings (assuming Theymos didn't demote anyone).

I don't know and I guess we only know who are new merit sources in after 1 (at least) to 2 months.

[TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits. You can detect them by that algorithm as well as suddenly increase of sent merits since early of July.
[LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list. You can guess about some new merit sources from there. That list was last updated in November 2020.

fillippone

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Quote from: tranthidung on July 05, 2021, 10:31:12 PM

Here you go with an update

Total merit sources: 111 (14 additional new merit sources from 97 previously)
Total monthly merit generation: 34139 (from 21171 previously) that equals to 61.3% increase.
Congratulations to new merit sources
I hope that theymos did not increase sourced merits for merit source that is out for personal interest

Any hint on who the new merit sources are?
I saw one of them confessing on another thread. So at least 13 missings (assuming Theymos didn't demote anyone).

tranthidung

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Activity: 2170

Merit: 3858

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Here you go with an update

Total merit sources: 111 (14 additional new merit sources from 97 previously)
Total monthly merit generation: 34139 (from 21171 previously) that equals to 61.3% increase.
Congratulations to new merit sources
I hope that theymos did not increase sourced merits for merit source that is out for personal interest

tranthidung

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Activity: 2170

Merit: 3858

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Long time and I don't update it. Here you go:

Total merit sources: 97
Total monthly merit generation: 21171

OP will be update later.

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

One merit source left his position in May 2020: I've quit my volunteer merit source status

I knew it because fillippone made that one One merit source has just been demoted? so thank you so much fil.

LoyceV

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Inactive Merit sources got removed, so there's no loss there for the amount of Merit being distributed by sources. The active sources got an increase (and some were added), so in total I expect the (lower number of) Merit sources to distribute a higher amount of Merit. We'll see in the coming weeks.

Welsh

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Quote from: logfiles on November 16, 2019, 02:47:37 PM

Wooow that was some huge number of removed merit sources. I think their inactivity explains why there was a very low supply of Merits in the past few months.

It also beats my understanding why someone who go through the trouble of applying to be a merit source, yet they very well know that they are not going to be active in the forum. It would be understandable if it was a handful of chaps but 40 inactive merit sources is a huge number.

Hopeful the double allocations to active merit sources will try to solve the problem

Most of those merit sources were probably assigned the role at the start of the merit system. Not everyone had to apply to become a merit source. I'm not sure what the criteria was to become a merit source at the beginning, but it seems to me that theymos wants to keep around 20,000 merit each month in circulation, and will not add anymore merit sources until there are inactive users. That's just based on my observations the last few times merit sources have been added, and removed.

logfiles

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Quote from: tranthidung on November 14, 2019, 08:02:04 PM

I don't know which day it happened but yesterday (I did check the merit source stat page recent days), the forum has only 90 merit sources in total (from the previous figure at 130). 40 merit sources were removed. The last time we saw such very low total merit sources is at 11/7/2018 with 83 merit sources in total. Simultaneously, the total sMerits allocated to merit sources decreased to 18821

Wooow that was some huge number of removed merit sources. I think their inactivity explains why there was a very low supply of Merits in the past few months.

It also beats my understanding why someone who go through the trouble of applying to be a merit source, yet they very well know that they are not going to be active in the forum. It would be understandable if it was a handful of chaps but 40 inactive merit sources is a huge number.

Hopeful the double allocations to active merit sources will try to solve the problem

hugeblack

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Quote from: tranthidung on November 14, 2019, 08:02:04 PM

Fortunately, today, the forum has 98 merit sources in total (from the previous figure at 130) and the total sMerits allocation for each 30 days increase to 21671 (from the previous figure at 20895).

I think what happened is a modification of the algorithm for selecting Merit sources to be somewhat automated. @theymos calculated numbers based on spending during the last 6 months with the deletion of inactive sources and the distribution of sMerits to the rest of the sources.

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However, if this would've caused you to have a source merit of less than 10, then you were removed as a merit source

In short, inactive sources were deleted and 8 new members added.

tranthidung

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Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Update:

I don't know which day it happened but yesterday (I did check the merit source stat page recent days), the forum has only 90 merit sources in total (from the previous figure at 130). 40 merit sources were removed. The last time we saw such very low total merit sources is at 11/7/2018 with 83 merit sources in total. Simultaneously, the total sMerits allocated to merit sources decreased to 18821

Fortunately, today, the forum has 98 merit sources in total (from the previous figure at 130) and the total sMerits allocation for each 30 days increase to 21671 (from the previous figure at 20895).

Total merit sources: decrease 24.6%
Total sMerits allocated each 30 days: increase 3.7%

Code:

. di (130-98)/130*100
24.615385

. di (21671-20895)/20895*100
3.7138071

It is a big move!

Quote from: tranthidung on November 14, 2019, 09:03:09 PM

For theoritical increase of 30-days sMerits for each source, let assume each source receive same sMerits before and after the latest changes.

Code:

. di 20895/130
160.73077

. di 21671/98
221.13265

. di (222-161)/161*100
37.888199

From the above calculation, each source was allocated 161 and 222 sMerits before and after the latest changes, respectively. So it means each source theoritically received around 61 more sMerits or 38-percent of increase for their 30-days allocated sMerits.

You wrote this

Quote from: Quickseller on November 14, 2019, 08:36:28 PM

Mine was increased as well. The adjustment is based on the last 6 months of sMerit sent including both source merit and personal merit and the amount was multiplied by 175%.

So the assumption above is wrong, it is just for fun to give us a kind of estimation.

Quickseller

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Quote from: tranthidung on October 29, 2019, 11:25:02 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 29, 2019, 11:06:44 PM

Assuming that exactly one person was removed (in theory, two people could have been removed, and one added, or whatever), the person removed had a monthly source of 150.

This might allow someone to look at sent data and narrow who was removed.

You are right.

I usually check merit stat page every day but sometimes I forget to check it daily, so that change assumed to happen very recently.

I would not be surprised if theymos were to add a replacement merit source at the same time a merit source resigns/gets fired. I believe theymos added multiple merit sources when Vod resigned from being a merit source.

In all likelihood, this was only Vadi2323 being removed as per the thread suchmoon posted above.

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