Topic: Population - page 2. (Read 530 times)

as long as they are able to manage thier population in the right way such that poverty doesn't struck and and resources gets to those that needs it, population isn't much of a big problem. And again, it's deficult to regulate global population such that thier is some level of equality amongst different nations of the world, don't know if it's just a biased reasoning from my end but in reality, every nation has the way to view increase in the population of thier citizens and while to some, an increase in population shows dominance and showcases how good thier military and workforce can become, others might not necessarily look at it from that angle.

Moderating on how many childrens couples should have should necessarily be a common solution to the high rise in the population of people in the world but the big issue is that after putting such law that kind of restrict a family from having more than a certain number of children and they end up having more than the expected number, what then is going to be the action of the government towards such people becomes a serious issue to be looked into.

I'm not familiar with India's economy, but it's ok if China's economy is increasing, because they're an industrialized country, they need the manpower to boost their productions, which will make their economy to be among the best in the world. Where I have a problem with population explosion is in impoverished countries, where there's high unemployment rate and their governments depends on developed countries for aids to feed their citizens and provide basic amenities. These underdeveloped countries should practice birth control to reduce their population, so there'll be less dependants and destitutes.

The life nature has been made too natural that nothing should be in excessive moderation has always been the best. I really concur to all your statement of over population as not a good one as it's the course of many uncontrollable crime rate in any society facing over population.

All if effects if over population has been listed here in your post as it speak allot in my mind. What I can only add as advantage of over population which can't even override it disadvantages is area if war and defense, it's very difficult to wipe out nation with a very high population, also high population help to harness all levels of resources found in any nation though it may be illegally harness since government may find it difficult to control the crime increase of over population .

A dairy farmer cares about his cows. After all, he makes money from the milk they supply. But you are right. Government only cares about money and power. Benefits for the people are only an incidental side effect.

Overpopulation is a blessing to most Governments because this helps them to exploit the people more through the illegal taxes. What China and the like of Japan realized is that their populations grow rates have dwindled, mostly due to the earlier policies and high infertility rates. This also means the countries productivity power will drop in an attempt to compete with other superpowers for supremacy. This is the reason China had decided to make a complete U turn on it's earlier policies.

I don't think they care about food, shelter, education, medical care to the people 

About one-third of the world's population lives in India and China. In some countries, population growth is being controlled by government laws, where the government sets a maximum number of births, and in those countries where population control is being attempted, those countries are showing a decline in population growth. In countries where there are no specific rules regarding childbirth, the population is growing steadily. Anyway I don't think any country will accept population distribution to control population in future. However, in order to control the population, the population should be controlled by giving birth to two or one child through the official legal process in the respective countries.

Overpopulation is a threat to any country.  Because overpopulation is never good for a country.  When the population increases, the country's corruption, anti-politics, terrorism and various problems increase.  And most of the problems remain hidden from the government.  Moreover, when the population of a country increases, it becomes very difficult to provide food, shelter, education, medical care to the people of that country and no one gets equal services.  Moreover, more births result in more malnourished children and premature deaths of mothers.  Everything needs to be within limits, nothing is too good.

The leaders of the world want to concentrate the people in the cities, so they can milk them like a farmer milks cattle.

There is plenty of room on Earth. Consider seasteading - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=seasteading&ia=web.

Look at what happened a few short years ago just outside of Thailand - https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3006682/thailand-wants-us-killed-bitcoin-couple-who-lived-ocean.

Elwar - is he still active in the forum here? Look at this page to see what Elwar said in the past about what he might be doing now - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53866550.

Ocean Builders website is listed there, but I don't think that they are having much success these days. Elwar was building off bitcoins he had saved up. Then the btc price dropped.

My point is, the oceans of the world cover about 70% of the surface of the Earth. And they could support a whole lot of people, except that people would rather complain about population than move out there. And governments agree with the people because they don't want to lose their services. People are slaves.



EDIT: Ocean Builders is still at it. Their newer website is - https://oceanbuilders.com/#emf.

I am not surprised when the world government almost uses the covid 19 to destroy the world population which was not that effective.
There are many ways we can control over population through the control of birth rate and it is one of the things China is trying to meet up with so that over population would not make the country to run into over population which could be a big problem to the entire country. The movement of people from one region to the other can also increase the population of people in a particular region.

I believe it is critical to be open-minded and investigate other approaches to these difficulties. I admire your notion of increasing the nutritional value of life in highly populated nations. This might include expanding availability of healthcare, education, and various additional resources, as well as lowering poverty and strengthening infrastructure. This might make individuals happier with their life and less inclined to wish to leave. Furthermore, if transportation technology improves, it may become simpler and more economical to travel great distances fast, thus alleviating population pressure in particular locations. Additionally, people may be able to work virtually from any part of the globe.

a country with a population will definitely not be free from health and social problems, so it is necessary to have clear rules made by the government in each country and infrastructure development ^{(the population density in China and India)} can boost population equity because there are also many residents who do not want to live in villages because the infrastructure is villages which are bad whereas big cities have good infrastructure.

Apart from China, India also does strange things like this, there was an uproar where many women aborted their wombs when they found out that it was a girl, i know that in many countries there are still many who adhere to this kind of ideology and this violates human rights.

This is absurd and a total abuse to human right. Why are they worried now and wants to boost up the population. It means that a time will come when two men will get married to one woman because the females will not be enough for those that wants to get married,which will bring great decline in their population. Before taking some drastic actions,we should also consider the aftermath of our actions.

 Any country that opens boarder for immigrants, it means that they are short of labour force and believe that they can get what they need from the neighboring countries. If not for this purpose, no country will accept immigrants into their country due to racism, insecurity and fear of the unknown.

Why it should be evenly distributed?
If you think that population is a problem then you wouldn't want your country to be densely populated. It's not a race actually, India and China are facing a big problem, and other countries just need to manage their own population.

My fear is that there will not be enough resources for people in highly populated countries -> become poor -> and then self-destruct or start wagering war to get neighboring resources.

I don't know how to find a way to distribute the population all over the world evenly.? I think this is impossible because most countries will not accept it.

The only possible way is through continuous immigration that causes demographic change but in the very long term.

But on the other hand, immigration also has disadvantages because most countries do not receive immigrants except those who have high educational qualifications or manual skills, and this will lead to the emergence of very advanced societies versus very backward societies.

however, the decline in the Chinese population that is predicted to occur by 2100 will not experience a drastic decline if we look at their current population.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64300190

based on the article above, research on the decline of the Chinese population has been studied since 1961, so it must be that the policy involving only 1 child has begun to be loosened by the Chinese government.

My observation are that maybe 2% of humans are 'born different' in a way that they feel uncomfortable being followers.  They might be viewed as 'freedom loving' so to speak.  In my experience, this rate seems very uniform across 'races'.

Culture certainly pressures the 'fat middle' of these types of people in one direction or the other.  I would say that Asian culture generally pushes that middle toward the 'follower' expression in life ways, and not always in a very gentle manner.  On the converse is my situation as an early gen-X'er from the West Coast of the U.S. were individuality was a virtue and there was not such a selection of pre-canned identities to choose from, more people kind of had to roll-their-own identity.  Basically if you take a sample of 1000 typical Chinese born in the late 1960's and 1000 with my life history, you would end up with, say 40 naturally born non-followers in each group.  Where 30 might end up non-followers at age 50 in my group, only 10 would remain so in the Chinese group.

But with 1,000,000,000 peeps, 0.5% is still a lot.  A lot more than the CCP would probably like to go up against so deftly integrating them into success or leadership positions, and/or encouraging them to leave the country, is probably the best option.

A complication is that Chinese culture (if not biological wiring) puts economic success at a much higher focus.  Striking out on one's own is very common even among Chinese who are naturally followers in a lot of cases for economic reasons alone.  We see that all over the world and especially in S.E. Asia.  A good friend of mine was in this category and he called the Chinese 'the Jews of Asia.'  He also was counciled by his father that good success is more likely in out-lying regions of the host country rather than in the larger trading centers.  It had to do with competition I believe, and dynastic family lock-in is pretty universal across almost all human societies.

Anyway, I do believe that there would be plenty of Chinese who have the various characteristics needed to make Africa workable.  S.E. Asia is not necessarily always super friendly to the Ethnic Chinese either.  Maybe in Africa they would tend to just drop the ethnic/cultural/intellectual supremacy baggage, focus on up-lifting everyone, and basically avoid some oft-repeated mistakes which lead to anticipatable personal dangers.  The last pogroms that I am aware of were in Malaysia in 1999 which isn't that long ago, and as far as I can tell the power dynamics between the 'native' oligarchical families and the Chinese tycoons are almost indistinguishable from country to country.

I don't believe that there have ever been flat-out anti-Chinese pogroms in The Philippines, but I would note that the Chinese seem a little more integrated and not as prone to focus on 'preserving their pure bloodlines' and that sort of thing.  Doing so is begging for trouble, and well deserved trouble in my humble opinion.  Beyond that, I'd suspect that in their heart-of-hearts, most Filipinos recognize that the 'native' politicians are at least 1/2 of whatever corruption is underway, and in the case of The Philippines especially, the U.S. and Globalist powers will pick up whatever 1/2 is dropped by the ethnic Chinese tycoons.

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I worked in Silicon Valley with a lot of Chinese, Indians, and generally smart people from all over the world.  It used to blow my mind that a government policy would allow a 1-in-a-million person from, say, India who had been educated at significant expense to just pack up, do great work for some ultra-fascist global entity in Si-Valley (e.g, ABC) for 20 years, get their now-American kids the best education money could buy in the new country (a LOT of money), then run out the clock in American opulence without a dime or any future benefits going to the home country.  At best they might buy their in-laws a home or something.

Now I understand!  Getting rid of 'the best and the brightest' in a home country is to the leadership of said home country, as I often say, 'not a bug; it's a feature.'  If these people would stay home or return home they are, to the leadership, a liability and a threat.  At least in a general way.

In trying to 'do my part' as an expat and as a dissident, I really do bend over backward to try to pick out local people who have some potential and focus my efforts on giving them the tools and opportunities to realize their potential.  It may not serve the current leadership of the country very well but I am confident that it will pay dividends to the society at large, and that is what I do care about more.

The population growth is truly exponential and if no law shall be made like a one, two, or three-child policy. The economy of a country will have to be adjusted as well unless they wouldn't care for the welfare of their people.

True, in Japan, they're hiring and attracting more young people to come to them so that they'll be able to replace that potential aging population that shall give them no more workforce.

India was supposed to be the next super power, except they can't even be bothered to fix their sanitation problem to stop open defecation. The strategy for China and India was to produce as many children as possible to raise their GDP, even if meant a large portion of their population was dying in poverty. Hopefully the rest of the developing nations don't follow their strategy.


The Chinese had started some infrastructure projects in the early 2000's after FOCAC formed. Looks to me like some of these partnerships failed because of the cultural incompatibilities but others might speculate differently as to why. Chinese males settling in parts of Africa would be a shock.

That is why the growth of national population can be only sustainable as long as the economy can grow as well and offer new jobs and opportunities for the incoming generations. As population grows, we could model it as an exponential rate (assuming it to be constant and there is not pandemics). However the economical growth of an economy is not possible to be exponential and constant.

There is always recession and bull markets, and those bad times are what could keep people from having children.

Even if Countries like Japan and Germany are suffering from aging population, they are still pretty good and stable places.

AFAIK, there's the two-child policy in China, and in this case, that's shown to control their population rate but then if India is going to be taking them over and they'll have more population in the midst of this year then that's record-breaking.
And as we know when the population rate is high, there can be a deficit in other things like consumables, employment rate, and other things that do heavily affected by the growing population of a nation.