[BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily - page 5.

joris

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Quote from: TurdHurdur on September 02, 2014, 07:53:54 PM

... If you no longer have the private key to the address, you're pretty much screwed.

Here you're touching the bare nature of Bitcoin: private key = bitcoin at hand. And just like cash, if it's gone for real, it's gone, nothing to do about it.

Unfortunately with contracts, like giving your cash or bitcoin to someone else, you replace available bitcoin with hope. And hope is hard to kill. Mostly expensive also ;-)

TurdHurdur

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Quote from: Bananery on September 02, 2014, 08:15:54 PM

Quote from: TurdHurdur on September 02, 2014, 07:53:54 PM

If they have the wrong address on Bitfunder, how would he identify the owner of the loan units? If you no longer have the private key to the address, you're pretty much screwed.

One is e-mail. If not, then prove that you still has access to your BitFunder and Weex accounts. All the account data, account names, passwords and 2-factor from both is in hands of Ukyo and Graet, who is the director on Australian Weex.

So don't give me this bullshit. Graet has access to all the data. Graet either doesn't give a shit or is just too lazy to verify account data.

He's only indicated he has access to the list of Bitcoin addresses. Bullshit or not, you can't determine if he has more data than that.

glendall

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Ukyo? The guy who stole or 'lost' over 6000 btc and 'can't talk about' why he can't pay back his massive loan he took out ? Don't you think its a bit off along shot to get the guy who stole money to help you by supplying records regarding this other guy who stole your money?

You'll never get your money back through legal means. You'd only have a slim chance if you many tens of thousands dollars to get the ball rolling. But its better than nothing. If he didnt feel any pressure at all then youll surely never get repaid.

Bananery

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Quote from: TurdHurdur on September 02, 2014, 07:53:54 PM

Quote from: Bananery on September 02, 2014, 09:21:37 AM

What about if someone has set wrong address on bitfunder and is now on vacation? Graet doesn't care about that? I thought a honorable man would do it the other way. He would wait for confirmation of the address from all creditors.

But Graet doesn't care, he will then blame his creditors if it happens.

If they have the wrong address on Bitfunder, how would he identify the owner of the loan units? If you no longer have the private key to the address, you're pretty much screwed.

One is e-mail. If not, then prove that you still has access to your BitFunder and Weex accounts. All the account data, account names, passwords and 2-factor from both is in hands of Ukyo and Graet, who is the director on Australian Weex.

So don't give me this bullshit. Graet has access to all the data. Graet either doesn't give a shit or is just too lazy to verify account data.

TurdHurdur

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Quote from: Bananery on September 02, 2014, 09:21:37 AM

What about if someone has set wrong address on bitfunder and is now on vacation? Graet doesn't care about that? I thought a honorable man would do it the other way. He would wait for confirmation of the address from all creditors.

But Graet doesn't care, he will then blame his creditors if it happens.

If they have the wrong address on Bitfunder, how would he identify the owner of the loan units? If you no longer have the private key to the address, you're pretty much screwed.

Bananery

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What about if someone has set wrong address on bitfunder and is now on vacation? Graet doesn't care about that? I thought a honorable man would do it the other way. He would wait for confirmation of the address from all creditors.

But Graet doesn't care, he will then blame his creditors if it happens.

thy

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Quote from: tolan77 on August 27, 2014, 10:33:38 PM

Quote from: szmarco on August 27, 2014, 08:20:41 PM

Quote from: ohyeahok on August 27, 2014, 11:03:23 AM

Quote from: joris on August 27, 2014, 10:00:08 AM

Check the mailbox associated with your BitFunder account for a message from [email protected]

At least I've received a message.

me too.

I didn't receive it. What's the content?

Here's the email I received. I don't know if the content is different for anyone else.

Hello graet.loan holders,
I have set up this email to be able to communicate with actual loan holders, rather than anyone with an opinion (bitcointalk).

Over the last few month business has improved:
Crowncloud.net continues to grow and has expanded the range of products and services available to customers,
After opening up a Chinese mining node Avalon joined Ozcoin with 1/2 of their farm, this is the first step in building Ozcoin back to a viable size.
The start up I invested in is planning to launch in September.
I am also looking into other projects.

I am planning to do a 1% payout after 7 days, this will total just under 20btc as I hold some graet.loan I was able to buy back before BF closed.
I know it isn't much, but it is a start.
Further payments will be made as funds become available.

I am delaying the payout 7 days to give people time to send me an updated Bitcoin address for payouts to be sent to, otherwise payouts will be sent to the registered public Bitfunder Bitcoin address.
to update address please reply to this email from your Bitfunder email address with "update" in Subject and include your public Bitfunder Bitcoin address.

Please note:
Continued lies,legal action, attacks on my businesses and character will delay or stop my ability to repay the loan.
support of my businesses will speed my ability to repay the loan

Best wishes
Graeme

Thanks for the update Graeme on the situation and the progress your making and thanks joris and tolan77 for making us aware about the mail, i also recieved the email.

twentyseventy

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Please note:
Continued lies,legal action, attacks on my businesses and character will delay or stop my ability to repay the loan.
support of my businesses will speed my ability to repay the loan

Best wishes
Graeme

Hmmm... where else have I heard this before...

tolan77

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Quote from: szmarco on August 27, 2014, 08:20:41 PM

Quote from: ohyeahok on August 27, 2014, 11:03:23 AM

Quote from: joris on August 27, 2014, 10:00:08 AM

Check the mailbox associated with your BitFunder account for a message from [email protected]

At least I've received a message.

me too.

I didn't receive it. What's the content?

Here's the email I received. I don't know if the content is different for anyone else.

Hello graet.loan holders,
I have set up this email to be able to communicate with actual loan holders, rather than anyone with an opinion (bitcointalk).

Over the last few month business has improved:
Crowncloud.net continues to grow and has expanded the range of products and services available to customers,
After opening up a Chinese mining node Avalon joined Ozcoin with 1/2 of their farm, this is the first step in building Ozcoin back to a viable size.
The start up I invested in is planning to launch in September.
I am also looking into other projects.

I am planning to do a 1% payout after 7 days, this will total just under 20btc as I hold some graet.loan I was able to buy back before BF closed.
I know it isn't much, but it is a start.
Further payments will be made as funds become available.

I am delaying the payout 7 days to give people time to send me an updated Bitcoin address for payouts to be sent to, otherwise payouts will be sent to the registered public Bitfunder Bitcoin address.
to update address please reply to this email from your Bitfunder email address with "update" in Subject and include your public Bitfunder Bitcoin address.

Please note:
Continued lies,legal action, attacks on my businesses and character will delay or stop my ability to repay the loan.
support of my businesses will speed my ability to repay the loan

Best wishes
Graeme

szmarco

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Quote from: ohyeahok on August 27, 2014, 11:03:23 AM

Quote from: joris on August 27, 2014, 10:00:08 AM

Check the mailbox associated with your BitFunder account for a message from [email protected]

At least I've received a message.

me too.

I didn't receive it. What's the content?

ohyeahok

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Quote from: joris on August 27, 2014, 10:00:08 AM

Check the mailbox associated with your BitFunder account for a message from [email protected]

At least I've received a message.

me too.

ortsi

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I'm willing to join a lawsuit (for 15 BTC). The most important issue: Is there a volunteer willing to organize it, with enough credibility?

joris

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Check the mailbox associated with your BitFunder account for a message from [email protected]

At least I've received a message.

ru0chen

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I'm readlly willing to join a lawsuit too

thecoinjournal

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Quote from: DRK on August 14, 2014, 10:05:15 PM

Having read this thread it seems the time for asking him is up, time to ask yourselves the plan of action. The legal fees would be a lot less than the BTC he has allegedly ran away with (source: I'm a lawyer, although not in this field).

I'm willing to join a lawsuit if there's one.

DRK

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Having read this thread it seems the time for asking him is up, time to ask yourselves the plan of action. The legal fees would be a lot less than the BTC he has allegedly ran away with (source: I'm a lawyer, although not in this field).

szmarco

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Old Graet, When will you tell us what's going on?

ru0chen

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Graet if you want me to stop asking your friends what you have done and how i can contact you, you should explain the situation here public or send my coins back. I know you read this.

If your plan is to stay it out and forget it, it will not work Smiley, many of us wont give up.

Phildo

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Since when do shares of a defaulted loan count as good things?

leahsandes

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on July 27, 2014, 01:46:35 AM

Good luck, please keep us reasonably updated.

16,302 Graet.Loan shares (btcinvest) here.

These need to be reposessed. how can he be allowed have so many nice things?

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