Topic: cryptofrka's Merit Source application - let's improve the gambling boards - page 2. (Read 1148 times)

There are several campaigns that are now making increased payouts to members that have accrued x-thousand merits therefore it is an incentive for members (posting in any thread) to make their posts have some meaningful content and context as well as have some quality behind it. When it comes to the gambling board we know there are threads that are out of control with signature spamming going on at unbelievable speed.

You are right when you state that even if focusing merits in the gambling board will not reduce spam, it will (or should) at least have some impact on improving post quality. I would like to see that experiment happen.

Could be an interesting task to look up in DdmrDdmr's Merit dashboard. From what I know, LFC_Bitcoin is actively distributing Merit in our Gambling section but it's not enough of course. From all sections, Gambling seems to be the biggest one, overtaking Altcoin Discussion and Bitcoin Discussion after especially in Bitcointslk's Altcoin, activity declined due to bankrupt shitcoins. 
And we have so many different Gambling topics, it's close impossible to impossible for even 5 Merit sources to notice every post. Of course, Gambling section is 95%+ of posts not deserving any Merit, too.

I think that's not a true statement because the merit sources are really valuable for the members of the forum who make high-quality, constructive posts, and if there are more merit sources then most of the posts which are good in quality but haven't received any merits may get merits from those merit sources.

The merit sources mostly give merits to those threads and replies which contain valuable information, and I believe that in gambling board there are members who make very informative threads/replies but unfortunately due to lack of merit sources in that board they don't get deserving merits for their contribution.

I really think that the gambling board also needs merit sources and someone like cryptofrka who's active on that board could be a very reliable merit source for that board. I wholeheartedly support the merit source application of cryptofrka and I hope that theymos will select him as a merit source when the selection starts.

Spammers will always be spammers, there is no reliable method that can change anything much. Merit should influence those who are on the border between useless and a post that really brings something new to the discussion.
Somehow, users like this have recognized that there is more merit traffic in sections like Meta, Reputation, and B&H, so they come here, start new discussions or at least try to participate. More merit in gambling, maybe keep some of the users who will write better about the gambling they know than open meaningless topics in Beginners & Help.

I wonder how could merit fight spam? It was meant to reduce the number of lazy garbage posters by preventing them from ranking up simply by posting garbage, so they learned quality is needed to keep farming accounts and campaigns, therefore merit forced them to provide a proof of work/ quality to deserve the reward/ rank up.

So, no having "enough" sources will not force people to spam less, it will help them to farm more accounts.

The same spammers will not suddenly turn into quality posters if gambling board has more sources, instead certain somebody would double down on busting stranger spammers/ cheaters to make room for the cartel's employees which systematically post the same artificial generic garbage in a more "qualitative" manner.😉

If merit was designed as a solution to help fight spam on the forum, then it just makes sense to have someone that understands the board very well and can help clean it up from within in a board that has been labelled to be a spam Hub for a very long time.
Having a merit source on this designated  board is long overdue and am in support of cryptofrka being a merit source especially that his intentions is to have patrons of this board to up the post quality and help fight  spam altogether with incentivized posting.

Good luck cro2

Not sure how updated his list is, but we can pull the "data" from Huppercase's list, and I think there's none, with cryptofrka being the applicant asking for it, with the same reason; that there's no gambling board merit source. Though... I rarely take a stroll in gambling board, so I might miss some name, that one or two merit source on that list were actively meriting gambling posters.

Has anyone ever analyzed how many Merit sources come regularly to the gambling section? Because of writing posts or personal interest in gambling, regardless, as long as they are present.

I don't know if this has already been discussed here, but I didn't really read the whole thread, I was a little discouraged when I saw some off-topic and useless discussion.

One particular type of post / topic I could imagine to attract more Merit are community contests, like ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 7000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐.

Or creating prediction pools, where organizing a sponsor is part of the deal, like bringing a Signature Campaign into Bitcointalk. It's beneficial for everyone if it's a good deal. We still don't have any pools for sports like NFL, NBA or MLB, which could be interesting in my opinion (just as an idea).
Or mixed sports events like BSFL is arranged like.
We have so many betting sites here on Bitcointalk, so much potential to uncover. Sponsoring a prediction pool is probably much better used money than to pay for spam in a sigspam megathread.

Merit could cause a shift towards more of such incentives, where also more sponsors are involved.
People could share their strategies, dedicate more time to Gambling topics and (for self-moderated posts) remove spam as well.

There are many ideas and I'm sure a Merit source could be key to incentivice good ideas. 
For example, I'm still completely baffled why I'm the one who gave the most Merit (4) to cryptofrka's and Trofo's ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 7000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐. It's so much work to arrange it and keep it updated. This fact alone shows we need much more Merit (sources) to reward good Gambling topics.

Guys, thanks for the free bumps, but I'd ask you to keep this topic clean of that kind of spam and on topic.
There are multiple threads of you arguing which are perfect for this kind of content.


Regarding this - well, if there would be a merit source on the boards, people might be incentivized to open more interesting threads, with more content and maybe some interesting links in the OP - instead of just opening another 'what to do when losing' thread every few days.
It can't reduce spam, it can improve the quality though. Then increased quality brings more quality in the form of better replies etc. Gradually, it decreases the % of spam posts that have no value whatsoever. Well, hopefully at least.

The path on BTT is more or less defined - more merits, better account standing, better campaign, more money, better opportunities.
I would like to help members that write quality posts get merited more, so they can grow their accounts on the boards that are currently rarely merited.

You seem to care a lot more than a friend, about this application, for an outsider this could be seen as if you have monetary incentive if OP is accepted as a merit source.

I don't know maybe your recent attack on me was a wake up call to inspect your close circle merit/trust activities just to make sure there is no account/merit farming.

Of course I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just saying you are a bit too much invested in this topic.  And honestly for someone who uses negative feedback for things that happened 5 years ago with no shame or remorse, I'd say merit/account/trust/ power farming is as easy and shameless.

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Not that my scammy/ untrustworthy opinion matters, it's just my obligation to point out what I can observe and consider suspicious.

Thank you. The spammers do not bother going to most self-moderated threads because they are worried about having their posts deleted as soon as they come across as low quality or spam. I think that is the best way forward but dangling the merits carrot could have a profound effect too. It is good to see you and many others support the OP in his application.

Well done, buddy

Keep voicing what's in your head and don't make the campaign a prison and shackle what's in your head. I know you have good character and thoughts even though you seem ambitious and stubborn (maybe like me  ). However, not many people like to discuss on this forum, most people see this forum as a place to make money. Maybe you are one of the people who likes to discuss here, and ideally a member is like that. So, slaughter anyone who disagrees and invite them to discuss with clear arguments

Go.. go.. go..  

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btw.. it seems my comment is off topic

Proof that JollyGood doesn't read my responses to anything to-date.
Not responding.

But this....


There you have it ladies and gentlemen, JollyGood modifying quotes and probably lying, by claiming Don't Pedro Dinero's post as mine, and using it to lay false accusations and comments.

Here is the post from the real author - Don't Pedro Dinero.



Yep, I'm sure that's why you posted...because the thread needed a bump

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The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step,  So let's take one step before another,  You've indeed done a great job on your end in creating self-moderated threads and I agree with your point, but on the other hand,  I also agree with the idea of cryptofrka as I do hope this will likely bring more improvement to this board as regards to improving post quality and will a kind of discourage spamming in this board a bit.

So I pledge my full support.

As I alluded to in the previous post, what would be the possible effect of having one merit source in the gambling board actively giving merits to quality posts versus say for example those that do not care for anything except spamming in order to meet their signature campaign quote?

What happens if you raise the number to say two or five merit sources. I created self-moderated threads in the gambling section to keep them legible and it has worked well because even though post numbers have dropped since I started deleting low quality posts and spam, it means those flooding with signature campaigns can go and do it somewhere else.

I am unsure if merit source alone will get the gambling boards to a better level, I think it self-moderated threads are already helping immensely in that process therefore merits would be an added component (not vice-versa).

I have seen others applying for merit source but cannot recall announcement from any member stating they had become merit source. Your is an application in a current long list, let us see how this will play out. Maybe you will receive that message soon 

Nope, nothing yet. From experience that other applicants went through, I think you just eventually receive a message or you don't - depending on his decision

Let's also be honest - 1 merit source is far from enough to drastically improve the situation on the gambling boards.
Still, it would be a good small step forward for the betterment of the most active area of the forum.

He is the same guy who was certain Whirlwind was a scam but decided not to not express his views because he wanted to get signed up on their signature campaign, clearly stating if he could earn from it he had no issues. Another example of lack of morals and ethics on his part.

Have you all read the same thing I did? What a stunning way for this deranged person to contradict himself.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen of this wonderful forum our ours. According to this member, we all have low IQ and as for him he does not mind outing himself as a hypocrite by applying to join signature campaigns (which he is convinced are promoting scams) just be because he does not want to miss the opportunity to earn some BTC.

I could not have expressed it better but 1miau did make a fantastic post that deserved a comment.

The thread deserved a bump  

The overwhelming consensus in the thread supports your application. Have you received any initial response from theymos yet?

I did not want signature spammers flooding my threads in the gambling board therefore I created self-moderated ones. Merits would be a good way to encourage quality posting but in my opinion when you have signature spammers flooding they have almost no interest in whether they receive merits for those posts or not, they simply want to get their weekly quota to be paid using all their farmed accounts.

Over the years I had contemplated on several occasions applying for merit source because I spent a lot of time in the sports threads I created in the gambling board. That was after I decided to give myself a needed break from searching for scams and posting about them. I had similar intentions/reasons mentioned earlier in this thread to apply for merit source but never got around to doing it. I suppose the only way to test if it were to be successful would be if a merit source starts concentrating specifically on that board.

If this application is accepted it will a good test to see what happens in the gambling board when those posting choose between trying to get merits for quality posts, or get no merits for low quality posts or get no merits for signature spamming.

It's been a while, so I just thought, why not give it a bump?

Currently gambling board is filled with a lot of spam, to be honest, but if this is going to help it to be a better place then I will support it and I believe this will encourage the members to make better posts in the gambling section so their posts will be considered for merits.

The gambling sector is one of the spaces where the crypto's growth is remarkable so let's make it a better place for the community too.

BenCodie reminds me of that shitposter who advertised a gambling site in his signature but in his shitposts, he opposed gambling:



Why wearing a signature if you don't like such a site at all. 
Main problem are stupid (or greedy) campaign participants but of course campaign managers could shut this down as well. After all, such participants are just not suited to be any longer in such a campaign and getting paid an handsome amount of valuable BTC for opposing (any?) gambling site...

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Luckily, only a tiny minority is sharing your uneducated opinion. 

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After all, cryptofrka knows very well where good posts in our Gambling section are under-merited and that's why in this topic is also massive support for cryptofrka's application.