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April 27, 2024, 09:28:47 AM
#55
The only way to stop inflation is if we can abolish the use of paper money and return to something real and valuable like gold or Bitcoin. Inflation simply exposes the weakness of paper money and will always happen as long as fiat is in operation because the governments will keep printing unlimited quantity of fiat whose value will diminish over time. Government might device different terms as the causes of inflation but the reality is that inflation is inherent in the fiat system, therefore we can say it is compulsory.
I also agree with you. The way to stop inflation is to abandon fiat and replace it with gold or bitcoin because fiat can be printed whenever they want. Now inflation will increase as time goes by and we as a society cannot only improve our finances in the same way but we must also look for ways to get better finances. because inflation in the future is likely to get bigger, we could be lied to so we have to be more alert and smart in managing our finances.

What I have observed is that humans are now truly modern slaves and today's children are finding it increasingly difficult to have a home. Many people save but are not rich. It felt like being completely fooled. Behind inflation there is a mafia who uses it to enrich themselves, including the country.
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April 27, 2024, 08:33:57 AM
#54
I look more at the smallest object, inflations makes many people whose economy is the lower middle class suffer, especially those who live a day of work only enough for a day's needs even if it goes well. But from their point of view business people are good and inflation drives economic growth in normal quotes.

About why it should go to fiat instead of gold, I think in naming and instrument, it is different, especially if we look at the value factor and why it often happens, only one reason they always convey to the public, maintain price stability and achieve balanced economic growth and the government always wins.
The impact on the lower classes and ordinary people is truly extraordinary if inflation hits a country. In my opinion, what small and medium communities have to do is generate additional income so that we don't fall when inflation comes. Yes, because the system has been moved or changed from gold to fiat, and fiat is no longer backed up with gold. This is where this game started in 1971, played by Nixon, who was controlled by the elite family there. Since it was legalized in the Nixon era, money printing has continued and this means that every money printed will produce double the dollar, this is what causes inflation. So even though the dollar is exposed to inflation, the dollar remains strong because it is a currency that pays credit through foreign debt.






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April 27, 2024, 07:44:32 AM
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Inflation is necessary to maintain a healthy & stable economy. It encourages spending & investment by reducing the value of money over time. This stimulates economic growth & prevents stagnation. Inflation also allows for adjustments in wages & prices ensuring that they remain in line with changing market conditions. A moderate level of inflation can help to reduce the burden of debt & encourage borrowing which can be beneficial for individuals & businesses. Excessive inflation though can be detrimental leading to uncertainty & erosion of purchasing power. It’s important to strike a balance & maintain controlled inflation. We are here on a Bitcoin forum though, we know the antidote for inflation & loss of purchasing power, i.e. buy Bitcoin.
Inflation being "needed" is about 2 percent or so, not 10 or more. There were a lot of nations, even as strong as USA who had super high inflation compared to past, and that wasn't what they needed. Don't get me wrong, if you have a nation with 2% inflation and 3% interest or investment whatever, it is a small and steady growth that they will be very happy about and if a nation can do that for like 50 years, that nation will become one of the richest nations in the world and best to live in.

You have to be in Zimbabwe or something to not be a great nation with that type of consistent good growth for 50 years. But if you look around, you will see that during pandemic period most nations had about 10%+ inflation rate for a very long time and that is the biggest problem in the world.
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April 27, 2024, 05:10:11 AM
#52
We need to get out of this system that's the only solution we can propose to the inflation we are facing. If we continue to live under these situations we will never get the benefit of living a wealthy and healthy life.

yep it would be great to escape it. but we as citizens cant exactly request those governing us to change. they own and control and set the limits of the monetary system we are slaves to and our 4-year vote doesnt really give us much voice over change.. just a 4 year vote on the management people that manage us
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April 27, 2024, 04:57:26 AM
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The bitcointalk forum is comprised of diverse people from all over the world. Our countries' must have gone through inflation as a nation at least once or more since its history. As a refresher, inflation happens when the prices of goods and services rise and people can no longer afford those items because the country's money almost becomes useless. But is inflation needed? Why can't we just keep the currency at the same value? And why does it only happen to money? For example, the same wouldn't happen if we used gold as a currency instead. Is inflation a ploy that the government uses so people don't get rich off of savings?
The biggest reason behind inflation in many countries is the baking system that was developed on the basis on interest back in the history by Jews. This system is such a thing that the world bank and IMF will get benefit from it but the people and the deprived ones will face the repercussions.

We need to get out of this system that's the only solution we can propose to the inflation we are facing. If we continue to live under these situations we will never get the benefit of living a wealthy and healthy life.
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April 27, 2024, 04:27:23 AM
#50
populations grow first and naturally so
this then causes demand which needs a supply to meet demand (even before productivity)
good inflation would stay at 2% IF money printing matched population growth and its economic productivity rate
That would justify circulating supply but NOT the inflation. Inflation happens when there is more supply (of fiat) than demand and it only happens when they print more money than they should. Otherwise population growth is only a small contributing factor to the demand for more fiat in circulation (still not for inflation).

nooo
your getting your chickens and eggs in the wrong order..
look at the topic question
i gave an example of it being necessary(when its controlled)

the separate question of excessive inflation is when its not necessary(not helpful, not beneficial, not needed)

the printing of money does not happen at the same time as the population growth so there is always an over supply of money before it trickles out to the population need. and peoples needs expand as technology and products get invented. so the amount of money needed expands
(its cyclical)

in a controlled system these increases would be small. .. but still necessary

EG markets will compete for peoples money and markets then need to pay people for the work so they can then spend to consume those products
(everyone always want more in the fiat system)

(chicken)
EG a couple about to have a kid know their household income would need to increase so they need a pay rise. getting a pay rise incurs extra costs on their employer.. which means although parent is less productive than their younger selves(age slows people down) their income:productivity rate changes where they need more income for less production

 so their employer needs to raise price of goods before the families child grows up to become an independent productive member of society, earning their own income and consuming from that separate from the parent,
so for many years of adolescence. the parents will need more income for each parent. meaning each parents employer will need to pay each parent more which means the price of goods goes up but the productivity does not
and with more money needed in these child developing years(population growth) there is a need for more money in society until the child becomes a productive member of society to then circulate the money increase to stabilise the inflation..

but with that years later(egg)
EG the amount of money a young single adult needs to live on whilst living in parents house with no kids of their own is less for the young adults than the amount a middle-aged parents needs who has a family where parents income needs to be higher to cater to his growing family,

by which time the cycle starts again with the young adult then starting a family

do you now see the whole picture...

yes in a different universe that was not FIAT based.. inflation is not needed and we would live in a deflationary system where each year our average savings/income would be worth more produce per unit, so would spend less units per product..

but the reality of the real world we actually live in, of the real world systems of fiat which does exist outside of our dreams/outside the crypto communities.. inflation is needed to keep the fiat system running.
we as individuals do not own the fiat system, we are the slaves to it. but its the system that is most active amongst populations so we have to admit its existence and relevance to the greater population utility

we may not like being slaves to the fiat system, hence things like bitcoin are an genius asset that was created for those who want something better. but bitcoin is not the system used by the legal systems and government of the lands we live on
and in the world of admitting fiat exists and is used by the majority, that fiat system needs inflation to operate. however the amount of inflation can change from good(necessary) to bad depending on the amount of inflation

the fiat system would crash if it was 0% inflation and humans would notice financial issues affecting their lives if it was 0%
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April 27, 2024, 01:40:29 AM
#49
populations grow first and naturally so
this then causes demand which needs a supply to meet demand (even before productivity)
good inflation would stay at 2% IF money printing matched population growth and its economic productivity rate
That would justify circulating supply but NOT the inflation. Inflation happens when there is more supply (of fiat) than demand and it only happens when they print more money than they should. Otherwise population growth is only a small contributing factor to the demand for more fiat in circulation (still not for inflation).
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April 27, 2024, 12:17:45 AM
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in several countries in the world, there are some who have managed to maintain their inflation rate and even make it minus, but the problem is that when inflation becomes minus it will become deflation which will affect the price of goods which will decrease and that makes many people lose money and delay their purchases. this will also affect domestic investment, because the decline in a company's income will make investors think about investing in that country. and many other risks if inflation does not occur.

therefore, inflation needs to exist in a country, but positive inflation, for example 1 or 2 percent a year. with this, it will be able to keep the country's economy from declining and impacting many national sectors.
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April 27, 2024, 12:09:59 AM
#47
But is inflation needed? Why can't we just keep the currency at the same value?
Maybe the government are trying but keeping the inflation away may just be unavoidable. Some policies may sound good, but on implementation may not provide the required results.

It's not good at all,it just sweeps us all from all our plans leaving us with no other option but been helpless.Just so unfair to us,and its inevitable,iit just comes from nowhere and strikes someone so hard with damages and repairs.
Inflation as economists have it,triggers more production to meet that demand;as they say it does.Some economist also pointed out that
Inflation plays a better role to the economy than the effects of its counterpart 'deflation'.
We're all in this together and it seems there's no solution yet for inflation,its a really hard method and economical system for people to survive.
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April 26, 2024, 11:44:11 PM
#46
The bitcointalk forum is comprised of diverse people from all over the world. Our countries' must have gone through inflation as a nation at least once or more since its history. As a refresher, inflation happens when the prices of goods and services rise and people can no longer afford those items because the country's money almost becomes useless. But is inflation needed? Why can't we just keep the currency at the same value? And why does it only happen to money? For example, the same wouldn't happen if we used gold as a currency instead. Is inflation a ploy that the government uses so people don't get rich off of savings?
The only way to stop inflation is if we can abolish the use of paper money and return to something real and valuable like gold or Bitcoin. Inflation simply exposes the weakness of paper money and will always happen as long as fiat is in operation because the governments will keep printing unlimited quantity of fiat whose value will diminish over time. Government might device different terms as the causes of inflation but the reality is that inflation is inherent in the fiat system, therefore we can say it is compulsory.
Are you sure and can you explain better how things would work by simply using assets with limited supply like gold or bitcoin as currency, inflation would disappear completely? And as I know, or you can also refer to @Zaguru12's explanation of inflation mentioned above, inflation is not only caused by the government printing money but there are many causes of inflation.

So what solution can you offer for the sudden increase in goods due to the large gap between supply and demand? Because this is also the reason that will cause commodity prices to increase and inflation will also start from there. Don't blame fiat or governments when we don't even understand how this world economy works.
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April 26, 2024, 07:06:48 PM
#45
Inflation is not optional where you can choose or not choose it based on its necessity. The reason why we can’t keep the currency at the same value is that we can’t. How do you keep printing money and expect it to maintain its value? Imagine if Bitcoin wasn’t capped at 21M, do you think it wouldn’t be reducing in value? It definitely wouldn’t go as far as it did. A cup of coffee will someday be sold for $20. Why? They keep printing money and making it worth less (not worthless Grin)
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April 26, 2024, 06:56:52 PM
#44
The bitcointalk forum is comprised of diverse people from all over the world. Our countries' must have gone through inflation as a nation at least once or more since its history. As a refresher, inflation happens when the prices of goods and services rise and people can no longer afford those items because the country's money almost becomes useless. But is inflation needed? Why can't we just keep the currency at the same value? And why does it only happen to money? For example, the same wouldn't happen if we used gold as a currency instead. Is inflation a ploy that the government uses so people don't get rich off of savings?
Gold goes through inflation too, as every bit of gold that is mined is gold that was not on circulation before, and the same is true for bitcoin, as new bitcoin gets mined every single day, it is just that when it comes to gold or bitcoin there are some natural or artificial limits set in place which do not allow for the inflation to be very high, however no such thing exist in fiat, which allows central banks to print as much money as they want and then cause the massive amounts of inflation we have seen in some countries over the previous decades.
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April 26, 2024, 06:37:54 PM
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The bitcointalk forum is comprised of diverse people from all over the world. Our countries' must have gone through inflation as a nation at least once or more since its history. As a refresher, inflation happens when the prices of goods and services rise and people can no longer afford those items because the country's money almost becomes useless. But is inflation needed? Why can't we just keep the currency at the same value? And why does it only happen to money? For example, the same wouldn't happen if we used gold as a currency instead. Is inflation a ploy that the government uses so people don't get rich off of savings?

Inflation is inevitable for sure and probably necessary but high inflation I think is surely going to be a problem when the economy cannot keep up anymore with the inflation. Its a part of the system already and there was nothing we could do to remove inflation because its already part of the fiat system, with the right increase in inflation I think it is going to be manageable with the growing economy of a country, but the problem for sure is the government can just print and print money whenever they wanted do leaving this whole fiat system to a whole pyramid scheme if your gonna ask me, we are working full-time jobs just to earn money, then just ended up with this kind of system is just unfair to everyone.

Still, the main point is there was nothing that we could do about it, the only thing we could do was to adjust to it, The main advice here is to invest your money in order to fight inflation, one of the common things that we advise for sure is investing on Bitcoin, because of the decentralized structure of it, with a limited supply it's the complete opposite of what a fiat money is. Or else put it on other investments like real estate, passive incomes, businesses, etc. main point is don't hold much fiat money because its decreases its value overtime.
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April 26, 2024, 06:21:36 PM
#42
The bitcointalk forum is comprised of diverse people from all over the world. Our countries' must have gone through inflation as a nation at least once or more since its history. As a refresher, inflation happens when the prices of goods and services rise and people can no longer afford those items because the country's money almost becomes useless. But is inflation needed? Why can't we just keep the currency at the same value? And why does it only happen to money? For example, the same wouldn't happen if we used gold as a currency instead. Is inflation a ploy that the government uses so people don't get rich off of savings?
The only way to stop inflation is if we can abolish the use of paper money and return to something real and valuable like gold or Bitcoin. Inflation simply exposes the weakness of paper money and will always happen as long as fiat is in operation because the governments will keep printing unlimited quantity of fiat whose value will diminish over time. Government might device different terms as the causes of inflation but the reality is that inflation is inherent in the fiat system, therefore we can say it is compulsory.
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April 26, 2024, 05:52:53 PM
#41
Low inflation is necessary because it makes the economy move. Just like the earlier reply stated, without inflation the economy will become stagnant. Low inflation can make a country more stable because they can take advantage of the positive impact such as:

Answer: Inflation favourably impacts the economy in the following ways:

Higher Profits since producers can sell at higher prices
Better Investment Returns since investors and entrepreneurs receive incentives for investing in productive activities
Increase in Production
More Employment and Better Income
Shareholders can earn a good income since companies book more profits and tend to share it with their shareholders via dividends
Benefits to Borrowers – The real value of the money returned is less than that of the money borrowed

High inflation is not necessary because it can destroy the economy of a country and forces the government to print more money due to the shortage of resources to pay for the ever-increasing price of the material for government projects.  Even though this high inflation is not necessary, it often occurs due to lax monetary policy[1].



[1] https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/Series/Back-to-Basics/Inflation
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April 26, 2024, 05:32:15 PM
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a. population increase
if more currency didnt get printed, generation growth would happen but each person would have less cash each
You are confusing supply and demand with inflation.
Printing money (increasing fiat supply) doesn't automatically mean inflation. Where that printed money goes can lead to inflation. They also don't print it based on population, they print money (or should print money) based on demand which could be simply referred to as the "production capacity".

But in reality they print money to cover their budget deficits which doesn't go into production so it causes inflation. For example US doesn't print $1 trillion every 100 days because US population is suddenly growing, or the US economy is growing. Neither one of these are happening. What is happening is a massive budget deficit that they have to cover by printing that much money.

you got things completely the wrong way round

populations grow first and naturally so
this then causes demand which needs a supply to meet demand (even before productivity)
good inflation would stay at 2% IF money printing matched population growth and its economic productivity rate

however when they aimlessly over print more than the rate of population+REAL productivity.. that then makes businesses see an influx of too much cash so they raise their price and thats when inflation turns bad
Among every other factor that contributes to inflation growth, I strongly believe overprinting of money by CBN increases the supply in the market, and when the supply in the market is too high, it will in turn decrease the value of the money that is in circulation, and purchasing power will reduce.
 
One of the things I believe contributes to the high inflation we are facing in the world economy today is the nonstop printing of local currency by the various central banks of each country. They are gradually devaluing the currency through that action.
 
When the currency in the market is higher than what the citizens demand, it will only result in a high price of goods, which means using more money to buy goods you could get with less currency before due to the low value each of those currencies possesses.
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April 26, 2024, 04:19:53 PM
#39
The bitcointalk forum is comprised of diverse people from all over the world. Our countries' must have gone through inflation as a nation at least once or more since its history. As a refresher, inflation happens when the prices of goods and services rise and people can no longer afford those items because the country's money almost becomes useless. But is inflation needed? Why can't we just keep the currency at the same value? And why does it only happen to money? For example, the same wouldn't happen if we used gold as a currency instead. Is inflation a ploy that the government uses so people don't get rich off of savings?
In my opinion, yes. Because inflation is the government's way of taking our money, because with every inflation our money decreases in value. As long as there are countries or anything that owes money to the IMF/World Bank, inflation will continue to exist until it reaches its worst point, now the debt of all countries in the world is very large and impossible to pay off.

The situation will improve if the world bank will forgive the debts of all countries or there will be a major reset and maybe there will be a new currency that replaces paper money. The whole world has been trapped in this chaotic system and will not be able to get out, and some of the rich people in this world are just a speck of dust compared to the people behind this system, because they can create a future world crisis in just a matter of hours which results in inflation.
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April 26, 2024, 04:15:16 PM
#38
The bitcointalk forum is comprised of diverse people from all over the world. Our countries' must have gone through inflation as a nation at least once or more since its history. As a refresher, inflation happens when the prices of goods and services rise and people can no longer afford those items because the country's money almost becomes useless. But is inflation needed? Why can't we just keep the currency at the same value? And why does it only happen to money? For example, the same wouldn't happen if we used gold as a currency instead. Is inflation a ploy that the government uses so people don't get rich off of savings?
Inflation will always be their as far as a country depends on other countries in one way or the other.  Their will be nothing like inflation if every have everything and nothing like trading with other countries. Even if your country is a country that has everything you still need to trade the products that your country has and completion in the market can also lead to inflation too. Their are so many factors that the cause of inflation.  I think inflation is part of humanity that we can't do without.  Every country having a different economy is also a reason why inflation exist.
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April 26, 2024, 03:30:39 PM
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The bitcointalk forum is comprised of diverse people from all over the world. Our countries' must have gone through inflation as a nation at least once or more since its history. As a refresher, inflation happens when the prices of goods and services rise and people can no longer afford those items because the country's money almost becomes useless. But is inflation needed? Why can't we just keep the currency at the same value? And why does it only happen to money? For example, the same wouldn't happen if we used gold as a currency instead. Is inflation a ploy that the government uses so people don't get rich off of savings?

Almost every country experiences inflation at some time then later on they bounce back but it mostly happens to countries that have good economic system just that at some point due to mismanagement of the country's Treasury by a particular government and continuous importation of foreign products may lead to inflation because as they are patronizing foreign products that's how they are giving more value to that country's currency. Just like the question you asked, it has always been the problem because sometimes a country's currency depreciates and also appreciates can't this currencies just be at a stabilize value? This is the more reason why we should embrace Bitcoin because it will be the end to inflation.
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April 26, 2024, 03:13:57 PM
#36
Inflation is necessary to maintain a healthy & stable economy. It encourages spending & investment by reducing the value of money over time. This stimulates economic growth & prevents stagnation. Inflation also allows for adjustments in wages & prices ensuring that they remain in line with changing market conditions. A moderate level of inflation can help to reduce the burden of debt & encourage borrowing which can be beneficial for individuals & businesses. Excessive inflation though can be detrimental leading to uncertainty & erosion of purchasing power. It’s important to strike a balance & maintain controlled inflation. We are here on a Bitcoin forum though, we know the antidote for inflation & loss of purchasing power, i.e. buy Bitcoin.
I think this is the best definition given in this thread so far! As someone who has studied economics and the principles of inflation, I can confirm that a minor increase of 1% to 2% per year is healthy and contributes to the economy, showing signs of growth.

People, including the OP in this case, are often portraying inflation as something negative; this is true when it gets out of hand. The economy became stagnant during COVID-19 due to quarantine measures and was then abruptly met with increasing energy prices that occurred before the Ukrainian-RRussian war broke out. It quickly became a vicious cycle, and inflation has now tremendously increased while salaries have seen no major improvement.
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