Topic: [ SCAM ALERT ] Blackjack.Fun is a cheap Scammer - page 7. (Read 2400 times)

Actually, from neutral ground, that ToS made it ok to ask in every situation, including yours. Especially if we look at it from their lens, where the user was abusing a bug in their system.


May I suggest what's been suggested around this forum so many times: grow a thicker skin.


Unless I read the situation wrongly, I thought they offered you to list all of the bug you know, in exchange for 100 USDT for a reward? You're free to accept or to decline this bug bounty reward.

MORON ALERT

OP has just admitted he stole 23BTC from his users



and wrote a wall of text to accuse of scam blackjack.fun for 24 USDT he won in freerolls exploiting a bug 

 I try to make it short and as I respect you I wanted to answer you

you ToS comment is ok as it is written there and he has every right to ask for it. this does not mean it was ok and fair to ask for it in my situation.

Blackjack.fun owner is insulting my intellect and of all others here and I don't accept it.
when he received complaints from other users about me he did not know it was me  as he did not know my username at the table. that he let me see the KYC after he got complaints this is the way he works and this is fine. but after he asked for my username and he understood the situation he still did not want to remove KYC and this was not ok and fair as he could check the game logs but he did not till now. he was so impudent to ask me for the glitch and I explained it as my conscious was clean and I did not exploit any bug. he even offered tip for bug reports.

I hope it makes sense and I could make my point clear.

thanks again and cheers

Sorry, I got the notification of your reply yesterday, but I was quite busy at that moment so I just glanced at it and then went straight to bed after. I didn't want to sound that I am cornering you, but I think you misunderstood the point here. I think there are two ways to see this KYC situation, from the customer [you] and from the operator [blackjack.fun], but both brings similar result regarding KYC: that you have to do it.

From customer's perspective, although it's true that you did not ask for withdrawal [whereas the KYC article said you'll be asked for KYC when you deposited exceeding 2,000 EUR or requesting withdrawal] and thus shouldn't trigger KYC from those clause, there is another clause in their ToS that allows KYC request simply because you start betting on their platform, and that they're allowed to suspend your activity until you do so. I've explained it here on #11, if I may further shorten it to the bare essential:


Umm... sometimes we need to realize that we've overstayed our welcome, our presence and help is no longer needed, and it's best for us to leave.

Sorry but I do not think you read the whole accusation. your answers are telling me this.

To remove you from the list of 3 legendary is not a problem as I do it only in imaginary as I will not change the evidence of my PM that I send to the BJ site owner. You are welcome not to decide who the money goes to.

The only thing that seems absurd is that you comment without reading the full accusation. I never asked for any withdrawal and received KYC. he owes me 24USDT and some TRX which is a total of $30 and not $24. I even wanted and still want to donate the $30 as I was not in for the money so where is my exploit LOL

The fact is that the owner of Blackjack.fun scammed me and I don't know why as all the reasons he gave are a big lie.

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Fact is that you scammed me and all your customers with all the glitches and bugs your game has for so many years


that is another big Lie (just read my full scam accusation posting )


another big Lie (just read my full scam accusation posting )

I would like to be removed from the list of members, thank you.

I cannot recall reading threads about Blackjack in the Scam Accusation board therefore this one was somewhat surprising. I have read through the thread and am not entirely sure what the OP is more concerned with, the Curacao logo in the footer area of the Blackjack website or the fact he was asked for KYC. I say these two because the third option (withholding of $24) seems preposterous.

I read your post after I had posted mine. After you have made your post, I am unsure if you even have a case to answer.

Hello BitcoinTalk community.

I will answer here quickly but a detailed answer will take a lot of time.

We never scammed anyone and never will. We believe that honesty is key to success.

Long story short.
1. We are building together with our community one very unique game. No one takes any risks because we just give rewards for free at blackjack freeroll tournaments.
2. New user Jackpotracer (username Hanno) abused our bug.
3. We triggered KYC.
4. He started creating very negative things about our platform on ANN Thread.
5. We locked ANN till this is solved.
6. Jackpotracer started blackmailing us under a threat of scam accusations if we didn't remove the KYC from his account. And started to look for weaknesses.
7. We never accept any blackmailing, whatever it will bring.

Here we are.
We can prepare a detailed answer and address all the things including license, game logs, abuse, communication and so on.  It is a work for devs, admins, campaign managers and for the whole team.

sorry now you misunderstood it

I id not ask for any withdrawal why should I do a KYC at this point? no reason IMHO

when he understood that I will not give up and will do a scam accusation he wanted to pay me without KYC and even offered 100USDT if I will give him a written document with all bug a I found. I did not want the money I just wanted to go on searching for bugs as there were many and wanted to check especially the one who used the timer reset against me to see what else he has in his hat

he behaved very impolite and disrespectful and I cannot let him get away with that. I talked always in thread and in PMs straight forward and helpful and he always tried to not answer or to insult my intelect with his stupid answers

anyway I thank you again for the kind conversation

cheers

Umm... wouldn't that kinda... close the issue? You were asked for KYC and didn't want to do it, then you're offered to get your remaining balance sent to you without having to do the KYC, I personally think it's a nice solution. As for what'll happen then, I think it's kinda obvious: you both part ways.

They don't want a player who "cheated" on their bugs [disregarding your true intention on that bug exploration] and you, ask yourself, do you still want to play on that platform? Because from what I get from reading your last posts [and this thread] you seemed not wanting to be there anymore too.

Everybody win, case closed, no scam happened.

Thank you again for your straightforward and thoughtful post.

I did not do the KYC as I did not understand in first place why I got it as I did not ask for any withdrawal
and exactly what you are writing here regarding

>if you've do it and they still block your account, then yes, it's a possible scam attempt, but if they asked you for a clause you've agreed and you refused to do so, then it's a breach of contract and they have the full right to do what they did.<

the owner told me in PM at the end of our PMs to give him my address and he will send me the USDT and TRX = about 30USDT all together without asking me for the KYC.
then I asked few times ok but what then? will I still be able to go the site and play and give my feedback?
hmm no answer to this question. I am not the only one who knows the time reset glitch which means right now players are exploiting it even he banned me lol and I really wanted only to help.

as I mentioned I think something stinks but still don't understand what it is. as he did not fix many bugs which even other players reported could be that he or he has a friend who is playing the tourneys. just thinking and saying

cheers

I think we all will be in a better situation if you informed the platform first about your bug and tell them, "let me try them out for a while with free rolls, there is another bug that I witnessed being exploited by someone, I am yet to recreate the situation. I'll credit my winnings back to you during my entire trial after I managed to recreate it."

It'll save you a whole lot of headache.

Second, about KYC, you do aware that you agreed to it when you registered? True that the clause on their KYC article said you'll be required to perform KYC when you deposited above 2,000 EUR or requesting a withdrawal, but their ToS said,


Have you done the KYC? That's a rhetorical question, you don't have to answer that as I've read that you said you will not do KYC. The point is, if you've do it and they still block your account, then yes, it's a possible scam attempt, but if they asked you for a clause you've agreed and you refused to do so, then it's a breach of contract and they have the full right to do what they did.

As for their license... the owner had prove it, it's on their front page, lower part, right above the article for KYC and ToS,



whether someone choose to believe it or exercise some scepticism and try to verify it themselves, it's completely their decision. The web owner has provided all that we need.

fair enough and thank you for reading the accusation in full. it will be a pleasure to answer all your questions with respect

the glitch I found was not the exact glitch which was used by another player against me. it was similar and I need to play a lot to get to the situation and if I get to the card constellation I was looking for I try it. as it is a free roll I did not care as I only was spending my time to find the exact glitch. you can call it overkill but I call it perfection as I am a perfectionist.

now please understand the timing. I did not report it as I wanted to be sure  and as it was not the exact card sequence the player used against me I want to play ( again it is a free roll for 1 USDT  and not 100 or more ) and find the exact card sequence. but I could not play or reach the site as it was KYC what I reached.
then after asking the owner in PM what happened he asked for my user name which I gave him without any problem and then he said ahh there were players who reported me. since then I see KYC and I even did not ask for a withdrawal!

please understand if I would like to exploit this or any other glitch I would not give any feedback or explain the owner the glitch I found. those are free rolls for 1 USDT come on what could I steal there?
but yes someone I did not report is enjoying it as the owner who is also the developer did not fix it and does not know all the glitches. if I can find it he also could find it. something stinks

now to the valid license. to make it short I don't need to check it as the owner should prove it if he is a valid owner of a license as a casino owner

thanks again for your posting

cheers

To be fair, they implicitly claimed this, when they put a seal of validation at the bottom of their page and it's just a png without a real link to validate their sub-license of Curacao. If they want to avoid misconception, it'll be better if they remove that image from their footer.

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I've read this whole thread and the whole posts on the thread being referenced, starting from where you indicate it, so I believe I am eligible to ask?

Tell me, you said on their thread that you tried it just to be sure [that it's a glitch]


and on this thread, it is self-revealed that you do this,


is it really necessary? To prove that it's not an one time glitch so you did not report it, after you tried it multiple times, just to be sure? Kinda overkill, IMO.


All of my text above aside, they do have a valid license. I believe Mahdirakib knows what he said, he's kinda good on the field of gambling, so I trust that he's done his DD about Costa Rican data processing license. Thus, in all technicality, they are licensed and good to go. They simply are not under CG's master license [and that's because they have their own license].

If you want it to be proven, though, you're always welcome to run their company number on Costa Rican business registry and see if it's matched. No one holding you from verifying the validity yourself.

Anyone who has not read the full text and accusation has disqualified themselves and their comments are just guesswork and therefore unacceptable.
But the BJ Fun OP will thank you and the players will suffer and lose money.

You cannot be proud of yourself.

BTW for me they don't have a valid license until proven

Blackjack.fun team never claimed that they have a real gambling license like the most other casinos. They have registered a company in Costa Rica and it is considered as data processing license. The Costa Rican data processing license (gambling license) isn't regulated like the other gambling license though, but it is valid.

I believe no one going to read the whole story which you have written here and given as reference to make the scam accusations. As I have told you on the casinos license and KYC requirements thread, you aren't going to receive enough support on your accusation against Blackjack.fun, and it is because of the story you have written.

You had reset the timer many times to confirm the glitch, which was completely unnecessary. The KYC verification requirement is a necessary thing for the casino to deal with such cases.

To be honest, I don’t see any scam accusation worthy on all the evidence that you present and it’s not even worthy to create a commotion just for free roll issue since the casino acknowledged all the bugs.

You admit that you found a glitch which means they have basis for an abuse. They have the right to exclude you on their promotion base on their own discretion. What I’m just confused right now is why they lock the ANN thread after you create a series of negative post towards them.

They are not cheap scammer but rather you are just angry about their action towards your account which you admit that you exploit a glitch on their newly developed game.

I read all of your reply. not like you as you did not read my scam accusation in full

you started the asshole shit and not me. this means you are the asshole

Did you read all of my reply? Or were you just fixated on the asshole portion? Obviously we dislike each other and that's fine, I can still have an opinion and it not be biased.

I mentioned that you could contact their campaign manager and try to find a solution. I passed on a campaign for them long ago due to cultural differences.

I'm not trying to treat you any different than you are treating others.

you did not change your attitude ( sadly )


the asshole is and was always you

did he do a signature campaign with you or are  you expecting one LOL

your answer is telling me that you did not read the full text I posted. I am  not surprised

BTW I was also premature and the first one who called the Moneypot Scam out

I think you're a little premature with your accusation. As usual you're an asshole and very aggressive with the site.

Here's what I see.

1. you tried to help by reporting some stuff in their thread. Good action by you.

2. They didn't take into account all your suggestions.

3. You exploited the bug yourself, self admittedly.  Whether or not it was trying to reproduce or exploit it still happened.

4. You were asked for kyc after this action and unable to participate. At this point you become aggressive towards the site and decide to be an ass and open a scam accusation.

Sound about right?

From my experience with Blackjack.fun I do not think English is their 1st language. It may not be yours either but I understand you pretty good. Instead of opening an accusation because you were asked for kyc, you should have maybe tried to pm and communicate further without acting out. Maybe get them to understand what and why things happened. If that didn't work, pm their campaign manager and see of he can get the owner to understand.

It's only a scam if they don't allow you to wd. If you ask to wd and pass kyc and they don't send your funds, then it's a scam dude.