Topic: The effect the mixer ban has had on the forum. (Read 4341 times)

Well YouTube has grabbed a few "influencers" that do an awful lot of videos.

I watch them

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Red Panda
240k subscribers
  2k videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAGsnTCpw7pvhR4RAlEQGzg

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voskcoin
633k subscribers
 1.6k videos
https://www.youtube.com/@VoskCoin

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some content is good. in a way they compete against me but frankly I am older than the two of them put together and I am not looking to spend time make 1000-2000 videos

I'm in the same line of thought as you, Ok,  Let's say that this is 30% truth, I doubt if someone like "Leo" would because of low pay rate present health issue as a reason for him to leave the forum when he can quietly leave the forum without stating his reason for doing that and no one would query him for doing that, To me leaving the forum because of low pay rate is very far from the real reason.

The timing just happened to be coincidental with the mixer ban. Let's not indulge ourselves in conspiracy theories now.


90% is what you would give to most of us plebs if one of us was to mysteriously stop posting all of a sudden. I'd say it's closer to 99%. Using "Nines" nomenclature.

Besides, pretty much every serious online activity pays more per week than whatever you can make on the forum. It's called beer money for a reason.

I know nothing about this situation so there's that...  However, if there's one thing I know about longtime Bitcoiners, it's that they know the value of BTC and when someone offers you some, a low pay rate can be easily acceptable due to the belief that Bitcoin will continue to grow in value.  I doubt very much that a low pay rate is what made "Leo" leave the forum that has been a daily part of his/her life for so long.  Especially when one has the belief that $100 in BTC will be $1,000 in BTC someday.  This forum has been around for a long time.  Many members are going to have health problems and leave in the future.  It's the circle of life.  In another 10 years it will be very common here I'm sure.

My intention towards the comment about cosmetics were about updating the look of the forum because it is dating back to 2008, it really looks very outdated as it has remained stuck from 16 years ago while competitors have a modern look and feel.

With the amount of funds accumulated over the years, it will be fairly easy to pay a suitable coder to update the look of the forum while maintaining the signature campaign section. Why it has not been done is a valid question.

That is another aspect, if payouts fall to $40-$50 then many members here could conclude the most valuable asset (or appealing factor) of the forum was no longer worth their time therefore in that scenario the impact of migration on this forum would be huge.

If younger members (and potential members) are being attracted to other forums to discuss crypto it is going to empower competitors and that will affect the direction this forum takes in future.

It all depends how you look at it.
We already had several attempts of forum members claiming to be sick and they even asked donations for that, directly or indirectly, so people have right to be a little suspicious.
There are some members from our local board who left the forum because of their busy work schedule or new life situation, but I wouldn't ask anyone to show me any proof or reason for leaving.

PS
Regarding Leo, I have good reasons to believe his health really became much worse in last few years, but I don't understand what this has to do with mixer ban  

The accusation that Leo left the forum due to low payrate is one of the most ridiculous ones I've heard. First things first, he had voluntarily quit from Mixtum, long before theymos announced about the mixer ban. Secondly, he was renting his avatar to Foxpup in exchange for a lot more than any signature campaign was paying. It doesn't stick.

Genuine passion... That's what's missing nowadays from the users of this forum. We rarely notice new such users entering Bitcointalk. It's nowadays mostly aged accounts taking advantage of their signature space.

Let's be honest we can't know 100% if o_e_l_e_o really left the forum because of his health issues or for some other reason. We can only make educated guesses based on his post history and since he looks like a genuine a person, I'd say the chances for him telling the truth are higher than 90%. Is it 100%? Unless you know him in real life and saw his hospital records, you can't tell that and I think nobody here knows him in real life.

But saying that he left the forum because he didn't get paid enough is a serious accusation.

Leave the forum and do what? There isn't any other forum on the internet where you can make that much money just by posting.

So I think what you say is very unlikely.

I think if he had good health, he would be around and making posts even if there were no sig camps available. That's the impression I got from him.

What a load of bullshit.


Do you have a crystal ball or something?

You certainly differ from o_e_l_e_o in that he would never have made a similar reasoning. You think that because you just think it, it's a hunch. In his case he was probably the most rational guy I've ever seen on the forum and would never have expressed such an idea without good reasoning behind it.

The most reasonable thing in all likelihood in this case is to think he told the truth.

The only good thing I see in what you express is that you have such a good idea about him that you refuse to think he is going to die, if he hasn't already, but that is the fate that awaits us all, better to get the idea.

Yes really.


If you were right, the easier, more logical thing to do would have been to just disappear from the forum completely, without writing any sort of explanation for his disappearance.

The fact that he went to great lengths to explain his situation in his final thread - and the fact that he is/was regarded as one of the most honest, trustworthy members of the forum - leads me to believe he wasn't lying.

Compare his situation to DarkStar_'s, and note the difference in how they exited the forum.

Of course you're free to believe what you want, just as I'm free to point out that it is an absurd thing to believe.

I like you being blunt and being yourself here with your opinion. Some people might have conceived what you are saying about o_e_l_e_o but decided to keep it to themselves in order not to raise some drama. But you let it out.

I also thought about this, but reason this from another angle. How about if o_e_l_e_o was too sure he's gonna die, which is exactly what his farewell message said. What will be the essence of remaining private to death. Think it that he hinted us for 2 reasons;

• He loved us
• He's dying, why remain so private?

This is often true, however there are social media profiles which are anonymous,  and there are users here who use their real names... rhis is not a rule.

I think the difference is that social media is more pictures focused and forums are discussion focused

Yes, he said that he had an illness but I think that was an excuse to leave this forum. He was a very privacy-oriented guy, that's why I think it was not actually true.

o_e_l_e_o was probably one of the most knowledgeable member of this forum. He was in chipmixer campaign for a very long time that was paying a serious money, then slowly payrate significantly decreased and soon mixers got banned and then he left. I think, he understood that pay rate would never be the same and he was such a smart and talented guy, he would do 1000x better outside of this forum.

Oh c'mon, not really. What he has done is amazing and I truly miss him, I just don't believe that he was dying or is dead, in my mind he is alive, getting 150K USD annual salary and doing a happy life. He was the person who was truly valuing privacy and I believe he wouldn't reveal such a sensitive information if it was actually true.
The fact is, we will never 100% what is true and I want to make myself believe that he is alive and doing well. I didn't really want to upset anyone but I can't do anything with this thought and I wanted to be absolutely honest.

I loved mining I loved the gear I loved how people in most of the world could use it. Heck I love that when I see ck solo pool that I know I begged him for a year to create it and he did.

Over time the mine started to struggle I got a really good offer and knowing that I was going to lose the mine down the road I took that offer.

Now I get coin from two forums it will never be what the mine used to do.
But I can simply say I did a lot for BTC when I was able to.
Now at 67 and recovering from surgery for the second time in two years posting is a lot easier than mining.

Selling gear off on ebay and not working as hard with the mine shut down.

If you are talking about crypto forums, Bitcointalk is predominant. Alternatives appeared, also with paid signatures, but there was always a lack of a large number of users for it to take off.
For all other non-crypto forums, the disadvantage is the payment method because all other methods besides crypto reduce anonymity.


It is shameful that you insinuate that Leo was not honest with his reasons for leaving the forum and that the real reason is that instead of $150 a week, he could only earn $120. At the same time, even though you don't trust him, you end up showing that you respect him. Who is the hypocrite here?

This is a stupid thing to say and you should be embarrassed about it.


LOL. Its because he has a genuine passion for bitcoin. I know that idea is absurd to you, but people like him actually exist. For the first 4+ years of my Bitcointalk career I wasn't in a campaign either.


If memory serves, he first participated in some kind of charity signature campaign; if not charity then it was for something that didn't pay. After that, he was probably approached by a manager with a really good deal, and I don't blame him for taking them up on the offer.

I didn't actually know why he posted for so long without signature. He changed his mind when one user made a post and from then he started participating in signature campaign to support one project so and from then he seem to like it the more.

I don't want to believe this... Before o_e_l_e_o left, a campaign was still paying upto $150, that would still be manageable for him. Besides, he could just leave without mentioning health issues. I am having a mixed feeling because of this post. Well, it will be nice if Leo is actually sound and healthy somewhere as you opined.

Fair enough I was more or less focusing on the technical side, and both forums and social networks and video-sharing platforms are simply "aggregators of public HTML messages". There are some differences of course, and as you point out, there may be different kinds of usage. But at least X (Twitter), Reddit and Facebook, for me, are forums.

Anonymity is a feature of many forums but not all. I don't remember concrete examples now, but I have seen forums (more in the 00s and 10s) that had implemented a "real name" policy, even if otherwise they looked like your standard phpBB instance.

And even the "written-only" requirement can be challenged. The user who has the highest post count on Bitcointalk is ChartBuddy, a bot who only posts images

Anyway, I don't want to insist on that. The point here was to discuss the possibility to create a decentralized version of Bitcointalk if theymos wasn't able to continue to run the forum. And I think in this case, a forum with anonymous accounts would make most sense, because of the privacy-friendly nature of the Bitcoin community. I don't think that this would be a requirement stopping people to join because it's a "thing of the past". But I could see many features from Steemit, but also from X or Facebook enrich this hypothetical post-Bitcointalk forum to make it even more comfortble to use. Steemit was also anonymous and mostly focused on the "written word".

I also think such a hypothetical post-bitcointalk decentralized forum would have to find a way to preserve at least some parts of Bitcointalk, particularly the era before 2014, for the reasons mentioned by @JollyGood (historical significance).

I don't understand what you mean here; I suppose he made it clear to everyone why he decided to quit? Leo wasn't wearing any paid signature for a long time after chipmixers left the forum so what are you talking about?

It's inarguably true that the number of good posters would decrease and the general activity would keep ebbing. Sadly,it looks like that's where we're going from here ...lol
Philipma would never go back to when he posted for free. ^{ignorance is bliss} 

I don't see the feasibility of a decentralized forum as I cannot really picture how moderation of such will be possible and without moderation, it becomes easy for it to derail from the core reason it was created. One seemingly decentralized forum I know is 4chan but the reputation of such forum is not worthy of any serious business marketing purposes and navigating through the forum is extremely difficult and tiring.