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Topic: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ - page 2. (Read 935378 times)

legendary
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Fully-fledged Merit Cycler|Spambuster'23|Pie Baker
Thank you, un_rank! Much appreciated!
hero member
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- Leo -
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mpep has answered this previously on this thread, or better still linked a response from theymos on his opinions

Here is the highlight which touches on your question;
EDIT: In regards to automated translations from non-English to English, I've PMed theymos about it, specifically with the following questions:

  • What is the exact policy on automated translations (both English -> local, as well as local -> English)?
  • When is it [read: automated translations] prohibited?
  • When is it allowed (e.g. possible scenarios or situations)?
  • When is it arguable and up to the moderator's discretion?

Here's what he had to say (publishing this with his permission, of course):

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In the English sections, the policy should generally be to ignore whether or not it's autotranslated, and evaluate the post on its merit. Bad grammar is obviously not disallowed, but if it's so bad (due to autotranslation or otherwise) that the post is basically incomprehensible, then it's a useless post and should be deleted. If it's translated from elsewhere, then you should generally act the same as if the source was originally in English, asking questions like:
 - Is the quote useful/on-topic in the post's context (especially after being mangled a bit through translation)?
 - Is the user just finding stuff to copy in order to bulk up his posts?
 - Is the user passing this off as his own when it's actually not?

- Jay -
legendary
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27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

I have a small question to mprep regarding rule 27: is the automated translation (using an automated translating tool) permitted  from a foreign language into English?
copper member
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I'd like to ask the forum moderators a question about the not sending reports on old posts. What if these reports are related to plagiarism? I have several links to such posts. As far as I know, theymos, I think, wrote that plagiarism has no statute of limitations. So is it possible to report old plagiarized posts?

I would like to say: it depends.
- Is the user still active ?
- Do you have just one case of plagiarism for this user ?
- Does it look like "honest plagiarism" ? (Does he make the plagiarized message his own, or is it just a copy/paste ?)
- How old is the plagiarized message? Knowing that :

<...> Your plagiarised post must be old cause it's posted back in 2015 but the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ was posted a year earlier that's why you still committed a violation as it is stated in the rules and regulations of the forum. <...>
It should be noted that there was no rule about plagiarism on Bitcointalk until 2016, according to web-archive.

So if the user is inactive, you only have one case of a plagiarized message and it just looks like a copy/paste and dates back to before 2016, I would like to say forget it. It's just my opinion, but you can report it, you don't really risk anything Smiley.

Yes, thank you for the reply. I understood your point. You can see for yourself all the information about this plagiarism in my post here. And this information does not fit any of the points you mentioned. By the way, the user I reported in my post has already been banned. Thanks again for your comment.
staff
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I find your lack of faith in Bitcoin disturbing.
I'd like to ask the forum moderators a question about the not sending reports on old posts. What if these reports are related to plagiarism? I have several links to such posts. As far as I know, theymos, I think, wrote that plagiarism has no statute of limitations. So is it possible to report old plagiarized posts?

I would like to say: it depends.
- Is the user still active ?
- Do you have just one case of plagiarism for this user ?
- Does it look like "honest plagiarism" ? (Does he make the plagiarized message his own, or is it just a copy/paste ?)
- How old is the plagiarized message? Knowing that :

<...> Your plagiarised post must be old cause it's posted back in 2015 but the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ was posted a year earlier that's why you still committed a violation as it is stated in the rules and regulations of the forum. <...>
It should be noted that there was no rule about plagiarism on Bitcointalk until 2016, according to web-archive.

So if the user is inactive, you only have one case of a plagiarized message and it just looks like a copy/paste and dates back to before 2016, I would like to say forget it. It's just my opinion, but you can report it, you don't really risk anything Smiley.
copper member
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I'd like to ask the forum moderators a question about the not sending reports on old posts. What if these reports are related to plagiarism? I have several links to such posts. As far as I know, theymos, I think, wrote that plagiarism has no statute of limitations. So is it possible to report old plagiarized posts?
global moderator
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In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce
29. Sending unsolicited PMs, including but not limited to advertising and flood, is not allowed.

I have a question about this rule that I don't know if it has been asked and answered already in any of the 48 pages of the thread.

What does "unsolicited" really mean here? I mean, if I send a PM to someone on my own initiative it is always going to be unsolicited. I imagine it's a way of saying that any PM can be reported and the moderators will exercise their judgement on the provenance of that message, or not. Is that so?
The answer is "it depends". If a user has not indicated that he's open to certain (or all) commercial communication, sending such PMs would be considered as unsolicited. When it comes to non-commercial or ambigous types of communication, if it's not something the user expects nor something a regular user (as per the moderator's discretion) would expect, that would count as unsolicited. So while thanking a user due to the helpfullness of their post via PM would be unsolicited, as with all rules, a moderator's discretion applies (see rule 23).
legendary
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29. Sending unsolicited PMs, including but not limited to advertising and flood, is not allowed.

I have a question about this rule that I don't know if it has been asked and answered already in any of the 48 pages of the thread.

What does "unsolicited" really mean here? I mean, if I send a PM to someone on my own initiative it is always going to be unsolicited. I imagine it's a way of saying that any PM can be reported and the moderators will exercise their judgement on the provenance of that message, or not. Is that so?
global moderator
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In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce
25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
I can't believe I'm asking this, but it seems to be necessary. Imagine this scenario:
I am (the person behind Royse777 right now) temp banned for 14 days. CasinoCritique is the account representing casinociritique.com. People handling casinocritque are: I, Mr. X, Mr. Y.

During my ban. Mr. X posted something, Mr. Y posted something and I also posted something too.

Since your brain is malfunctioning, you are going to say Royse777 is ban evading.
Is this ban evading? I'd say it is (and I can't believe this isn't obvious to everyone)! But just in case: please confirm Smiley
Yes, that's ban evading. A person posting or sending PMs in the forum while one of the accounts they use has been banned is considered as ban evasion.
staff
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NOTE: This is meant to serve as a reference/educational/informational thread, NOT a rock solid list of rules.

I want to convert your post into Bengali. I think it will help new users to know more about  Bitcointalk in Bangladesh. Here is my last converting post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62166127

There are forum rules already translated into Bengali. The link is in the first post of the Bengali locale. There is no need to translate what is already there.

Link to forum rules translated in Bengali https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55551271
full member
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NOTE: This is meant to serve as a reference/educational/informational thread, NOT a rock solid list of rules.

I want to convert your post into Bengali. I think it will help new users to know more about  Bitcointalk in Bangladesh. Here is my last converting post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62166127
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
I can't believe I'm asking this, but it seems to be necessary. Imagine this scenario:
I am (the person behind Royse777 right now) temp banned for 14 days. CasinoCritique is the account representing casinociritique.com. People handling casinocritque are: I, Mr. X, Mr. Y.

During my ban. Mr. X posted something, Mr. Y posted something and I also posted something too.

Since your brain is malfunctioning, you are going to say Royse777 is ban evading.
Is this ban evading? I'd say it is (and I can't believe this isn't obvious to everyone)! But just in case: please confirm Smiley
hero member
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Even just using search engines to collate content for a post is use of AI. (Maybe not the search engine in THIS forum  Grin )

A little off-topic, but this search engine is a farce. Google is also not optimized to search for bitcointalk posts. I have been trying to scrape Bitcointalk posts to make an ElasticSearch search engine, but I need several TB of free disk space that I don't have.

Doing researches via ninjastic.space is giving great results!
I totally ignore the default search bar from the forum since I discovered this website
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
Even just using search engines to collate content for a post is use of AI. (Maybe not the search engine in THIS forum  Grin )

A little off-topic, but this search engine is a farce. Google is also not optimized to search for bitcointalk posts. I have been trying to scrape Bitcointalk posts to make an ElasticSearch search engine, but I need several TB of free disk space that I don't have.
member
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If you want rules to be made in regards to AI posts, your going to have to petition theymos about it (e.g. make a thread requesting a change in forum policy).

But how would you assess if the rule has been broken?

Pretty much impossible to do in my opinion.

Even just using search engines to collate content for a post is use of AI. (Maybe not the search engine in THIS forum  Grin )
global moderator
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In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce
@mprep

Considering recent discussion around this topic, is it possible that we have some clear rules surrounding the use of AI in writing posts, and in which cases it is appropriate and not appropriate to use AI in posts? (See [1][2][3])



[1]: AI-generated post discussion thread: how to identify & report
[2]: This gets me worried, I think the 'Brains' in the forum should look into it
[3]: The J.A.R.V.I.S AutoReply Protocol Initiative (JARPI) - Powered by ChatGPT
AFAIK in terms of forum policy, this assesment of mine still applies:

If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc), I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords. Otherwise, content that violates the rules, AI or human produced, can already be dealt with with our current rules and policies in mind.

If you want rules to be made in regards to AI posts, your going to have to petition theymos about it (e.g. make a thread requesting a change in forum policy).
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
@mprep

Considering recent discussion around this topic, is it possible that we have some clear rules surrounding the use of AI in writing posts, and in which cases it is appropriate and not appropriate to use AI in posts? (See [1][2][3])



[1]: AI-generated post discussion thread: how to identify & report
[2]: This gets me worried, I think the 'Brains' in the forum should look into it
[3]: The J.A.R.V.I.S AutoReply Protocol Initiative (JARPI) - Powered by ChatGPT
global moderator
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In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce
Am I allowed to create a thread under "Bounties" in Altcoin section if we actually dont have a token but a playable NFT we're giving away for community growing/outreach tasks?

Sorry, I'd rather ask and be sure then get banned for breaking (any) rules!
NFTs, by their own definition, are tokens so yes. Read through the pinned threads in Bounties (Altcoins) before you post your thread there though.
copper member
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Am I allowed to create a thread under "Bounties" in Altcoin section if we actually dont have a token but a playable NFT we're giving away for community growing/outreach tasks?

Sorry, I'd rather ask and be sure then get banned for breaking (any) rules!
legendary
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This is a great work I must say.

But I couldn't find guidelines for posting. I want to understand if there's a time limits to posts. What I mean is if I make a post now how long do I need to wait to make another post or I can make posts many time?
If you have a good reason for missing the posting deadline when your account was a newbie, let LoyceV know your top reason and maybe you'll get a chance to be whitelisted.

Apart from that you can also buy copper members if you really want to go past those limits but if you want to enjoy your newbie days with some limitations then that's ok then enjoy until you rank up to higher levels and have the waiting time is getting smaller between posts you make. But by the way, you've been told the guide in the post before me.
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