Topic: Updates from the COPA v Craig Wright trial - page 12. (Read 3581 times)

CSW doesnt own those and yes did infact grab a random "richlist" of publicly available data
the funniest part is the real satoshi knew about things like extranonce and lets say the real satoshi forgot his wallet/lost his wallet.. the real satoshi knew enough that he could have even used Sergios Lerner "patoshi pattern" to grab a list of addresses that would be more accurately possible to be satoshis

CSW is so dumb he didnt even pick the right addresses to seem credible to pretend to own..  because he didnt even do basic research into bitcoin or stuff that the real satoshi would know.

even before the "need a signature proof" drama of those lists.. just checking some of the addresses were not part of the "patoshi pattern" was proof enough that its not a satoshi list csw had.

in short CSW's address selection, by not being based on addresses even sergio lerner could establish, is proof enough CSW aint satoshi because CSW doesnt even know basics of bitcoin to have found a plausible list of addresses.. but yea the real owners of CSW's random selection signing to say they are not CSW is extra proof CSW is a conniving lying idiot

It's meant to be a free pass out of any sticky situation they find themselves in, buying him more time to keep spewing the crap he does.
It could also be an insurance so should he ever be in the line of getting convicted for his forgeries, he runs back to the fact that he is handicapped and should be giving a lighter punishment.

They could also just get someone to interpret the technical aspects to them and give a clearer understanding on how the network works.

The lawyer forgot that including those as an excuse would make them look clueless. They didn't understand that people would take it negatively and people would understand that they were trying to get some sympathy. The court needs some kind of legal and real documents but I don't think they have any.

However, I don't know about the judges, but they should have some technical knowledge as well. Do you guys remember the case between Hodlnut and CSW where the Judge said they do not understand these things well? If the Judge do not understand, how they will make a conclusion?

Well, his argument is that they will legally have to do so by order of the court, in a similar way that Craig will probably have to stop referring to himself as Satoshi if found guilty, or be in contempt of court. What he either wants to do is get the devs to fork bitcoin or just change the code to give him access to Satoshi's lost fortune, or just grant him access as the head dev for him to do as he pleases with bitcoin. I mean, it will be an interesting situation if he did win, but I'm sure COPA/Bitcoin developers would appeal. Craig's whole MO is that you use the courts to prove ownership which is what he's trying to do, similarly as in if he lost a load of cash or property due to fraud or theft you would use the courts to legally try get it back and that's what he's doing here. He's very devious and conniving and that's why I think he's very dangerous, despite him having little chance of winning in court.


They probably weren't Satoshi's coins. Craig just likely went through the bitcoin "rich list" and chose a load of long-dormant addresses assuming they were either lost or inaccessible, but obviously he was proved wrong. Even worse for him he claimed they were double or triple-encrypted in a bonded courier so it would have been nigh on impossible for anyone to have signed a message from them including him, and that's what he was banking on but obviously shot himself in the foot there. Hopefully they bring this up in the trial.

But even if by some miracle he gets a verdict that he is the real Satoshi with all these falsified evidence, how can he "hijack bitcoin" and take what he thinks belongs to him? From some recent discussions, something was written about the fact that he will ask the developers to make a hard fork, although it is crazy to expect that any of them would ever agree to such idiocy.

In addition, those addresses where he claims that "his coins" are located are obviously not in his possession, as we had the opportunity to see when someone signed a message from exactly those addresses. It always seemed to me that the real Satoshi was the one who signed those messages, given that they are coins that were mined during 2009. I'm really interested in whether this will be discussed at the trial, and if it is, I would definitely like to read about it.

Day 2.

Craig has finally been sworn in this morning and is now being cross-examined. Several forgeries have been presented to him already and he usually just has some BS excuse to try explain them away. One of the highlights was a forged document where it was clear the date was altered as it was in a different font. His excuse was maybe the printer that printed it out was misaligned and hence why the date is a bit wonky  . Funny how it was only the date that was effected. The judge has barred Craig providing any further 'new' evidence stating his history of providing forgeries, so that's a plus. Craig is very confident in his excuses and I hope COPAs defence push him a little more on these as it's 50/50 when they do, but I guess that's where the con in conman stems from.

They've adjourned for lunch now and the trial will resume shortly at 2pm GMT.


Well I hope so too. Otherwise the trial is useless and he is free to continue his fraud.


His intention is clear: For the courts to pronounce him as Satoshi and heir to his fortune. It is correct that one of his defence's opening arguments was COPA have provided no alternatives to Satoshi and why hasn't Satoshi already come forward, so he must be Satoshi, or at least he is the most likely candidate, like that's a viable excuse. Stuff like that shouldn't even be allowed in court. Nobody has provided any evidence of being god, so maybe Craig is god too.



Maybe it's a case of the boy who cried wolf but I don't really believe Craig is autistic, or is certainly using it to his advantage. Craig was known to be shopping around for a doctor to give him such a diagnosis and you'll be able to find one to do so. It's not like it isn't hard to fake or feign such a condition either, as with any mental disorder. It's similar to criminals who try get a diagnosis of insanity or other such mental illness to either garner sympathy or explain away their behaviour. Craig has basically got himself a get out of court free pass which allows him to just have a break whenever he wants by feigning a hissy fit or just claiming 'muh autism' if he can't handle the heat. Shame he's resorted to this but what can you do? There's no depths too low that he won't stoop to to further his fraud.


He probably has very little ultimately, hence why he's trying to hijack bitcoin to try claim Satoshi's fortune. He can't provide anything concrete so he just has to rely on forgeries and other such nonsense hoping he can just con a court into 'legally' pronouncing him as Satoshi, or at the very least sew enough doubt for the verdict to be inconclusive, which he will obviously spin into a win.

The trail has now resumed. I will provide another update this evening.

I can not understand why the Faketoshi man needs to go seriously like this. If he has Bitcoins from which he claimed Bitcoin Cash then Bitcoin SV, he can simply enjoy his life.

Going to court and facing with many controversial discussions and even negative responses from community, I don't see it will make his life more comfortable and better in anyway.

Does he want to get a stroke and similar by doing such non-sense but stressful efforts?
I wish him best health but possibly with stress, anything with health can happen.

Years ago, I read an analytical article on how the Faketoshi lied with his laptop. Shame!

Faketoshi will not give up as long as he lives because he has convinced himself that what he claims is the truth. Even in the event that the court, based on the evidence, undoubtedly decides that he is lying, I have no doubt that Faketoshi and his sponsors will find another country and some new court in front of which they will again try to present their lies.

Considering his age, he still has a relatively long time ahead of him, unless something bad happens to him, and considering that he has allegedly already tried to kill himself, maybe he will try again - although it is probably another in a series of lies, because cowards like him they don't have the courage for such a thing.

I would recommend him to move to Colombia, because there they recognize him as Satoshi Nakamoto, but everything can be bought there, including a false identity.

I am not following this case as I don't have the time for anything related to Craig Wrong...I mean Wright but his saga is really interesting and even angered many people who are the supporters and enthusiasts of Bitcoin. Right from the very start the man is obviously fake and I am even wondering why the media is letting the man play his claims to the roof. Now, am not against anybody's autism and we should be kind to people who are autistic though in the case of Craig I think it is quite funny that his defense his using his condition - that is assuming this is not just another lie - to his advantage. I am sure the court would be ruling eventually against him and COPA will win the case.

he is not very smart, he is just conniving enough to know how to scam people and use the scams as drama to scam others in a snowball effect

if you were to interview him you will just get 1000 bull crap answers that play into his drama.. wasting your time
unless you have a hammer in one hand and his fingers viced in another hand you wont get any good answers out of him
so dont waste your time our anyone elses.

He is very smart. playing a big drama.

Who knows, what is his real intention ?  May be he just want to get attention and fame. May be he just want to make money out of this saga.  He knows, what he is doing.  I read news report about the opening of the case.  His barrister clearly stated that if there is some one else who is the real Satoshi Nakamoto then why he is not claiming ?

It is time  for the COPA members to produce the real Satoshi Nakamoto.  As his barrister has stated, no body is claiming except CSW.  It that correct ?  The rea Satoshi is out there and reading the news and laughing.  Any one can claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto and claim he or she has written the Bitcoin White Paper.  Suppose Dorian Nakamoto come forward and admit that he is the man who is behind the Bitcoin and Blockchain.  What can happen ?  Will the Bitcoin community accept it ?  May be or may be not but the truth is the real Satoshi Nakamoto knows what is going on and on over the last decade.

Why the real Satoshi Nakamoto need to come forward in public to claim that it he who is the inventor of Bitcoin ?

According to the Bitcoin Protocol Private Key is the proof of evidence of ownership of Bitcoin. Why this gentleman suing anyone who des not believe that he is Satoshi Nakamoto ?  What is his intention ?  If he is the inventor then he has lots of Bitcoin.  So why he has to make so much story , hey guys , it is me, I am Dr Craig Steven Wright.  I invented the Bitcoin.  Why did he then published the bloody Bitcoin White Paper under a Japanese pseudonym ?   I am an economic  journalist by profession.  I will be happy to interview him with 1000 questions and dig out the truth. 

his intention is simple.. win or lose he can sell his life story to media about either a hero story or villain story. to him its good drama either way worthy of a box office movie... well thats what he promised his investors like ayres

His intention could be to promote his crap coin and reduce the authenticity of bitcoin, which would also do the help of promoting his crap coin.

I do hope they throw out that request.

Well that's what COPA have asked for but earlier today Craig's council asked that if they lose for that to be rejected under "human rights" grounds. Hopefully they don't grant that because otherwise this trial is mostly useless.


I don't know whether he's a fantasist or just a fraudster. Maybe both. He is quite clearly a charlatan and does seem to crave recognition and validation through things he quite clearly hasn't achieved but maybe his motives are purely financial, but I suspect it's both financial and for the kudos to bolster his own ego. Not only did he obviously not create bitcoin but he's also been caught plagiarising content for his degrees.

https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/05/11/craig-wrights-doctoral-thesis-being-investigated-for-plagiaris

I don't know whether he fakes his qualifications and employment history merely for validation or just to help further his frauds of which there are many. My only hope is that he ends up in jail because I doubt he will stop otherwise. Hopefully this court holds him in contempt for knowingly providing fraudulent evidence.

They have already included autism and attempted suicide in the process, involving drama so that perhaps someone will believe this faker and liar that is Faketoshi. This guy is a joke, a joke in very bad taste to be honest.

I agree. I can see that there is absolutely no reason for this entire Satoshi thing other than feeding his ego. It's not like he can ever access those coins in the real Satoshi's wallet. At most, his end goal is to become more famous. And Craig Wright seems to not care whether he is famous or infamous, as long as people know him and talk about him. Obviously Faketoshi has issues with reality, which may or may not stem from mental illnesses. I am no psychologist but perhaps megalomania and narcissism?

I think that's why DaveF suggested making it a self-moderated topic, heh.  Every time the truth is about to come out, someone links to Ayre's lie-machine in an attempt to distort things.

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We are getting down to business now with court case which will have implications going
forward.

Disproving Faketoshi's claims of being Satoshi should hold up strongly in this case
purely with the amount of forged documents against him and TBH it doesnt bode well
for him IMO if already their opening route is the Sympathy one.

Its really all stacked against him, we all know that, its getting the court to see it is the key.

It may be a positive that the trial is not trending. CSW wants all the attention he can get, doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, as long as people are talking about him, he's achieving his goal.

Would be great to get a legal verdict which prohibits him from using the pseudonym Satoshi. He has had so many years to prove that they are the same person and has failed every time, I'm mildly surprised he's still relevant rough for a conversation now.

There's probably less than 50 people and the room isn't very big. It's not very exciting or a 'big' trial and doesn't seem to be getting much media attention, though the trial is trending on Twitter right now. You can request a private link to view the stream but it's not available publicly other than there. You can try here: https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/crypto-open-patient-alliance-v-dr-craig-steven-wright-and-dr-wright-v-various/


His lawyer seems clueless. Not even sure why his suicide attempt is relevant. It's entirely possible that he faked that too and until I see anything concrete I'm going to assume that's what happened or at least it was a half-assed attempt.


Well he's trying to use the courts to hijack bitcoin. He can't prove he's satoshi any other way so he's hoping he can con a court into naming him Satoshi based on some forged documents.


Lol. Come on. CoinGeek is the BSV propaganda arm and you can't get anything unbiased out of them. Every time Craig loses a court case they somehow spin it into a win.