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Quote from: Mia Chloe on January 22, 2024, 07:38:33 AM

Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing or punctuating with AI is allowed?

There's something I have come to understand, is that the use of AI is not that bad and there are things we can use AI to do which are if good but at the same time is not that tolerated in the Forum especially those who are in a sig campaign.
Some people do use it in an abusive way, let's say in some campaign where they do give bonus to the best post and you'd be surprised to see some users making use of AI to make their post the best. So that's where AI isn't supported in the Forum, when you use it against the Forum rules.

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If AI actually existed you’d not know the post was “AI” written. It’s mostly easy to spot “AI” posts because they are almost always shit. why? Because legit AI, or AGI will be self learning, it won’t have to pull data from the web, mash it together, reorganize and spit back out ..like it does now. Thats all this “AI” is. Advanced programming, absolutely..massive changing tech, no. Nobody wants to read posts like this just like we get sick of articles written by these programs, as they are almost always ..shit.

Maybe the best explanation I’ve read about this - https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/there-is-no-ai

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Quote from: _BlackStar on January 26, 2024, 06:17:01 PM

but the way AI detectors work is also sometimes not very reliable. If someone writes long and there are lots of prepositions or conjunctions such as ^{[although, so, therefore, or something like that]} then there is a big possibility that the content was detected as created by AI.

That's true the AI content detectors aren't much reliable to detect AI generated content and sometimes they detect human-written content also as AI generated content.

There have been many cases when genuine text has been detected as AI generated text by one AI text detector while it was detected as human generated content as other AI text detectors. However, those detectors can be helpful to some extent if you know how to use them but a few times they give fake results.

Quote from: _BlackStar on January 26, 2024, 06:17:01 PM

Original content created by one's own thoughts and ideas is much better than AI-generated content - so users should be able to avoid it for their own good.

I highly agree with you, the content that we write in which we share our own thoughts and ideas or opinion is much better than the content that's generated via those AI content generators like ChatGpt. Especially in a online forum use of such text generators is not a good practice.

Those who can't write in good English should improve their English by watching video lectures which are freely available on YouTube these days to improve their English writing. They should try their best to avoid fixing their English or English grammar with those AI content generators.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 27, 2024, 12:22:14 PM

If at least the majority of the members of this forum thought so, then there would be no problem with such posts - but from the posts above you can read very strange opinions, and it is not an isolated opinion - some members of the forum say that they only make their posts "more pleasing to the eye" " with the help of AI and that they see nothing wrong with that. Those cultural differences that you wrote about regarding plagiarism can definitely be applied to the use of AI tools.

It would be an interesting discussion to focus more on what they consider to be more pleasing to the eye. If they have written their reply themselves and then paste it into an AI bot and say, check the pasted text for grammatical errors and make changes to make it sound better, that's ok as long as the original idea is still theirs. What is not ok is asking an AI bot to write a piece of text on some subject and just copy it from there and present it in a post on Bitcointalk as yours.

Quote from: Lucius on January 27, 2024, 12:22:14 PM

In my opinion, the bigger problem is that the forum's administration has not made a clear decision about this, and that practically means that anyone who reads the unofficial rules of the forum thinks that content created with AI is allowed.

The forum rules predate the creation of AI tools, and the administration isn't exactly quick in making changes or going public with new information. Or maybe this whole AI problem that we think is an issue, isn't that important in the eyes of the admins.

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I think the confusion there is when he actually Said the person should Ai to correct his Grammer properly well I don't know if that's what he really meant but I can say that the use of English correction app in your keyboard can go a long way and one of such is the granmerly app although am used to the free version on Google search engine where I would just input my word written and the granmerly will just help me correct most of the sentences is quite effective because I know how much difference it has made to post and improvement in terms of trying to convey a message across to my readers here in the community. In other for a post to flourish there must be good understanding of the reader and the message past if not there will be total confusion.

Atleast it's far better than using AI generate text which I believe most users here argue that it fit into the category plagerism which this community frawn at.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 27, 2024, 10:03:45 AM

Posting content that was AI-generated fulfills both requirements of what plagiarism is: You took the work from someone else, and you didn't credit the original source. That's plagiarism.

If at least the majority of the members of this forum thought so, then there would be no problem with such posts - but from the posts above you can read very strange opinions, and it is not an isolated opinion - some members of the forum say that they only make their posts "more pleasing to the eye" " with the help of AI and that they see nothing wrong with that. Those cultural differences that you wrote about regarding plagiarism can definitely be applied to the use of AI tools.

Quote from: Pmalek on January 27, 2024, 10:03:45 AM

The only issue here is that AI-generated plagiarism might be difficult to prove. You are again relying on automated tools to check and tell you whether a piece of text is or isn't created by a different automated tool. Do you understand what I am saying? It's not reliable, and can't be controlled and verified by a human. But if there was a database of everything an AI site ever generated, it would make things much easier in terms of proving plagiarism.

It's true, there is currently no completely reliable way that can be used to detect content created with AI, but there is a set of tools that can be used and whose results can then be compared. I also recently accused someone of using AI, and it turned out that even two detectors showed bad detection - which means that we should be very careful and try to check with as many detectors as possible.

In my opinion, the bigger problem is that the forum's administration has not made a clear decision about this, and that practically means that anyone who reads the unofficial rules of the forum thinks that content created with AI is allowed.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 26, 2024, 08:17:53 AM

My goal is certainly not to discuss with people who think it's okay to make or embellish their posts with the help of AI, because I consider it just a slightly smaller version of plagiarism.

Posting content that was AI-generated fulfills both requirements of what plagiarism is: You took the work from someone else, and you didn't credit the original source. That's plagiarism. The only issue here is that AI-generated plagiarism might be difficult to prove. You are again relying on automated tools to check and tell you whether a piece of text is or isn't created by a different automated tool. Do you understand what I am saying? It's not reliable, and can't be controlled and verified by a human. But if there was a database of everything an AI site ever generated, it would make things much easier in terms of proving plagiarism.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on January 26, 2024, 06:17:01 PM

but the way AI detectors work is also sometimes not very reliable. If someone writes long and there are lots of prepositions or conjunctions such as ^{[although, so, therefore, or something like that]} then there is a big possibility that the content was detected as created by AI.

Right, false positives are possible, and that's why when we are looking at posts we use several AI detectors and look for several recent AI written posts. Any chance that several natural posts in a row are detected as AI written, by several AI detectors is close to 0.

I'd say that there are more problems with those who likely use AI but whose posts are not detected by many enough detectors. There are still AI posters on the forum and I doubt it is a pleasure to anyone to talk to AI thinking that you are talking to a human being.

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Quote from: SamReomo on January 26, 2024, 10:50:24 AM

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on January 23, 2024, 09:15:56 AM

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Although, I won't consider AI generated posts as plagiarism but I truly appreciate the efforts of Nutildah for creating that thread where all posts that are generated with AI can be reported. But, if someone uses AI to fix their posts grammar then the fixed posts can also false being detected by those AI text detectors as AI generated text.

Nobody is perfect - that's what I want to say. Contributors are just doing their best to keep the forum from being filled with AI spammers - but the way AI detectors work is also sometimes not very reliable. If someone writes long and there are lots of prepositions or conjunctions such as ^{[although, so, therefore, or something like that]} then there is a big possibility that the content was detected as created by AI.

Using ChatGPT to create discussion content in forum isdishonorable - so it's best avoided. Original content created by one's own thoughts and ideas is much better than AI-generated content - so users should be able to avoid it for their own good. The worst consequences of using AI to create posts are; banned.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on January 23, 2024, 09:15:56 AM

Good, but these posts are deleted as spam, not as plagiarism. I agree that there are countless of AI meaningless posts, and should be deleted, but not because they were generated by an AI; simply because they lack essence and / or fill the board with shitposts.

Yes, currently most of the posts that are generated via AI text generators are considered as spam. Those posts can't be considered as plagiarized content because even the main authors who wrote such texts can't really take and strict actions against the users who use AI text generators to create posts.

But, most of those posts are inaccurate and the information that's generated by the AI tools is totally useless and incorrect. The pattern of the posts that are generated by ChatGPT are similar in nature and this they can be easily detected by someone who understands how ChatGPT generated posts look like.

Although, I won't consider AI generated posts as plagiarism but I truly appreciate the efforts of Nutildah for creating that thread where all posts that are generated with AI can be reported. But, if someone uses AI to fix their posts grammar then the fixed posts can also false being detected by those AI text detectors as AI generated text.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on January 22, 2024, 07:57:30 AM

I am of the following opinion: if a person needs to use an AI tool to interact on a forum, they seriously need medical help, as they must have serious mental problems to not be able to interact with another human being.

This isn't even about medical assistance; they're just lazy and don't want to put in the effort to improve their writing skills or simply prove that they can explain a point better or have a more grammatical meaning to the word than the other people. As far as I know, this is you not putting in the effort to improve your English and instead relying on someone else's work, which is bad for you.

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Note: English is not my native language, but with a little effort you can talk to everyone without any major problems. The most important thing is the content of the message.

Your English is very good and without you saying it out now, I wouldn’t have known that English is not your native speaking language. The punctuation and the grammar all good and nothing to question the sentence about.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on January 26, 2024, 07:00:33 AM

By means of pleasing on my post is described on the second of my comment which you deleted. I’m not encouraging the use of AI per se but rather it’s not a big deal for me discussing with someone if it can provide a discussion that looks like an organic post which I already mention that is impossible to attain by the AI technology.

It is quite clear to me what you want to say, and you just repeated it - you literally say that you have no problem with AI posts as long as they look "organic". Posts created with AI may look like they were written by humans, and you obviously didn't recognize such posts.

Quote from: Coin_trader on January 26, 2024, 07:00:33 AM

Can I ask you a question, what’s your main goal why you are here in the forum? Because mine is for the sake of discussion to other user on the topic that gives me interest. I’m not sure your goal but this is my opinion and my rank is not relevant for giving an opinion on this matter.

My goal is certainly not to discuss with people who think it's okay to make or embellish their posts with the help of AI, because I consider it just a slightly smaller version of plagiarism. As for your rank, I wrote that because most beginners think that people with ranks like Hero or Legendary are the ones who should be their role models. If you in any way justify the use of AI technology to create posts, you are sending them a very bad message.

Quote from: Coin_trader on January 26, 2024, 07:00:33 AM

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I already edited my previous post just to avoid comments like you are trying to convey which is not my real intention. Cheesy

You can edit as much as you want, my intention is just to warn members not to encourage others to do things they shouldn't do.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on January 26, 2024, 03:36:01 AM

Using them correctly, especially Grammarly, I can assure you that you will pass your professional English exams with good grades. Not to mention that its tutoring is faster than theoretical learning. Is that what you call a setback?

I agree, there were words that I misspelled and I thought were the correct spelling for many years only through the use of Grammarly did I notice and correct all the spelling errors, I sometimes used words that are present tense when they should be present tense and also plural and noun, Grammarly is not feeding you what to say, it corrects your input, the idea is yours, now when you're using an AI like ChatGpt it feeds you what to say, so it's not your idea.

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Quote from: nutildah on January 22, 2024, 08:22:19 AM

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I have been using free Grammarly for quite some time now and it corrects my spelling, does help me with grammar, and sometimes removes unwanted words from a sentence. They recently came up with another free product which is called Rewrite with Grammerly, it will only help if used to improve a paragraph or a sentence and helps with ideas to write a topic. As you are suggesting Grammarly I would like to ask you, If rewrite is used will it be considered AI written content?

Actually if we use grammarly to enhance our skills in writing a topic then for me it's good inorder to have a good and understable post. but if a user use AI to create a topic then there's a possibility that your topic plagiarizing from some article or topics cause AI don't have brain. AI can not delivered same as human so there's a chance that AI will create some post that already made so it is still plagiarizing. Anyways it is matter what AI have been generated so there's an AI that for correcting Grammar and English which useful.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on January 22, 2024, 07:38:33 AM

Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing or punctuating with AI is allowed?

There is a difference between using a tool which function as a writing assistant and generating a content entirely with the use of A.I, because what the forum is against is "generating a content entirely with the use of A.I" (i.e using tools such as ChatGPT) and not against using a writing assistant tool such as "Grammarly" which helps the writer ensured grammatical sentences are placed where they ought to be, including punctuations and spelling errors.

Hence, in conclusion, using a tool such as "Grammarly" can never be categorized as using A.I, simply because it only acts as a writing assistant while the ownership of the content remain yours.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 26, 2024, 06:52:03 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on January 26, 2024, 06:37:03 AM

I believe AI post will not a big deal if the content provided by the AI is really pleasing for the discussion. The problem on AI post was its answer is too general as if you are discussing with a book that gives fact from its reference while forum is a place for a discussion between users means an idea from the opinion of others and not from google which an AI can never provide.
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It's hard for me to believe that I read this and that from someone who is a "Legendary" member of this forum, and does not see any problem in the fact that someone uses AI chat to create posts that he then presents as his own as long as those posts are "pleasing for the discussion".

I would like to ask you if you understand what kind of message you are sending with your post to all those who will read your post and have doubts about AI posts, but I honestly doubt that members who think like you even understand the difference between content that is unique and created by humans and that which is created by artificial intelligence.

By means of pleasing on my post is described on the second of my comment which you deleted. I’m not encouraging the use of AI per se but rather it’s not a big deal for me discussing with someone if it can provide a discussion that looks like an organic post which I already mention that is impossible to attain by the AI technology.

Can I ask you a question, what’s your main goal why you are here in the forum? Because mine is for the sake of discussion to other user on the topic that gives me interest. I’m not sure your goal but this is my opinion and my rank is not relevant for giving an opinion on this matter.

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I already edited my previous post just to avoid comments like you are trying to convey which is not my real intention. Cheesy

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Quote from: Hispo on January 25, 2024, 09:14:12 PM

English is not my first language and I indeed struggled at the beginning of my journey learning it, so I used Google translator to aid myself with some words and sentences I could not build or understand.

I don't think that I reveal anyone's secret if I say that there are many users who use some online translators like Google Translate on a regular base. I often see some typical mistakes these translators make and it looks fun. I'm sure I make even more fun mistakes, so I'm far from blaming anyone in that.

Main difference with AI usage is that some users probably don't know English good enough, but they know what they are talking about. If they say something about some aspect of their Bitcoin experience, they usually have that experience and they can talk about it with their mother tongue. So when they use GT, they can get some mistakes in grammar but all mistakes in facts can be only if they have some misunderstanding.

When someone uses AI, they usually don't understand what AI wrote for them. They know nearly nothing about the topic they try to join. They don't understand where AI makes mistakes and even if other will tell about those mistakes they will nor understand it, nor even be interested in understanding.

If I ever want to talk to AI, I can do it myself. I need no fakers who try to pass off AI text as their own and who can't say anything else by themselves.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on January 26, 2024, 06:37:03 AM

I believe AI post will not a big deal if the content provided by the AI is really pleasing for the discussion. The problem on AI post was its answer is too general as if you are discussing with a book that gives fact from its reference while forum is a place for a discussion between users means an idea from the opinion of others and not from google which an AI can never provide.
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It's hard for me to believe that I read this and that from someone who is a "Legendary" member of this forum, and does not see any problem in the fact that someone uses AI chat to create posts that he then presents as his own as long as those posts are "pleasing for the discussion".

I would like to ask you if you understand what kind of message you are sending with your post to all those who will read your post and have doubts about AI posts, but I honestly doubt that members who think like you even understand the difference between content that is unique and created by humans and that which is created by artificial intelligence.

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Quote from: skarais on January 26, 2024, 05:32:47 AM

There are two different things, firstly writing with AI and secondly improving grammar using AI. These two categories are different, but both use AI as a tool. I'm sure many users including moderators don't like the first category and therefore users get their posts deleted and reported, but the second category may still be tolerable even though some other users don't agree with the method.

I believe AI post will not a big deal if the content provided by the AI is ~~really pleasing~~ “unique” content for the discussion. The problem on AI post was its answer is too general as if you are discussing with a book that gives fact from its reference while forum is a place for a discussion between users means an idea from the opinion of others and not from google which an AI can never provide.

An AI post is only helpful for topics that asking questions with specific answers and not for post with objective questions. Admin keep deleting post that comes from AI due to its spammy and off topic way since user that use it is too lazy to check its content before they use it as post.

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Quote from: skarais on January 26, 2024, 05:32:47 AM

There are two different things, firstly writing with AI and secondly improving grammar using AI. These two categories are different, but both use AI as a tool. I'm sure many users including moderators don't like the first category and therefore users get their posts deleted and reported, but the second category may still be tolerable even though some other users don't agree with the method.

Many of us are not native English speakers, but our passion for learning and improving grammar sets us apart from each other. The most important thing is that the ideas written are conveyed and can be understood well by other users, if not then local board are suitable for them.

I can't name grammar correctors such as Grammarly or QuillBot as AI, even though both premium versions offer a wide variety of tools to improve your text and its fluency. From what I've noticed, the majority of users who are using AI writing tools are newbies, possibly in an attempt to rank up or appear sophisticated, trying to show off that they know what they're talking about. Moreover, a large number of them think that they're smarter than everyone else, enter a signature campaign, and get away with making money without any effort.

Thankfully, I can't recall seeing any reputable users using them; there are certainly exceptions to this rule, but I believe that the community is generally on the lookout for AI usage, and I've started checking suspicious posts as well, in order to contribute to the AI report thread.

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