Topic: Would you invest in BTC or MicroStrategy MSTR? - page 3. (Read 644 times)

I would invest in btc just because you can do it outside of the system, you don't need financial institutes for it

I think the ETFs made the bull market come faster than anticipated, but that it would have happened without them anyway. Some forum members are concerned with accumulation of Bitcoin by investment funds because it leaves fewer coins circulating in a natural decentralized form, so holding Bitcoin instead of using an investment fund can be a way to support the decentralization cause. Also, I feel like buying Bitcoin is easier and more accessible because you purely rely on yourself and there's pretty much no lower limit to it, so it's another argument in favour of Bitcoin. Not to mention the obvious note of actually owning your coins when they are in a non-custodial wallet.

One of the safest investments that I know and can recommend to anybody is Bitcoin, because it's decentralized and not owned by a single entity, unlike MSTR that's owned by microstrategy, that is a private company, and their investors earnings will depend on their profit and lose. Bitcoin investment is more secured if an investor leaves his Bitcoin in a none custodial wallet, where he has total the autonomy to his coins, and despite how price dips, it'll always reach now ATH, so far it's hodled on the long run. Ofcourse an investor can invest what he can afford to loose on the short term in MSTR.

I don't agree with you two. I don't want to lie, my main goal when investing in bitcoin is profit, profit is what I care about and prioritize the most. But I wouldn't invest in MSTR because there's no guarantee their stock will yield higher returns than bitcoin. Have you ever thought about what would happen to our investment if their business suffered and their company went bankrupt? Meanwhile, even if bitcoin is dumped, it will still recover and grow at a higher level. I will ignore the issue of privacy and decentralization, I will still choose bitcoin because it offers better returns and less risk.

Would you invest in BTC or [insert anything here]?

..... BTC of course

Right. Choosing between investing in BTC or MSTR depends on your style and tolerance for risk. MSTR's been riding high, thanks to their BTC stash and leverage but that comes with extra risk. BTC's more of a wild ride with its ups and downs but its decentralized vibe gives some peace of mind. MSTR's got the benefit of MicroStrategy's leadership but BTC's been around longer and has its own reputation. In the end, it's a trade-off between control and potential rewards versus trust and stability. It's like choosing between surfing a wave or cruising on a steady boat

Understandable, and there will be those critics that will say that MSTR is a "shitcoin" because "Why is Chad Saylor not doing stock buy-backs, but he's instead he's selling MSTR to buy Bitcoin"?

Those people don't understand that buying Bitcoin for MicroStrategy's vaults INCREASES the value of MSTR for the owners of MSTR stock. Increasing value for the holders of the stock is also in fact Michael Sayor's DUTY as the executve chairman.

No I wouldn’t invest in MSTR. It is because MSTR can do unexpected things in the future and I don’t really trust Michael Saylor. I would rather hold my own btc instead. Michael might dump his coins, or not, or maybe he will ddo something completely against btc. You can’t know that. Why would I trust him with my money? He is not the best money manager out there and he is not the second best. As far as I know MSTR is not even an investment company. It is a software company. Buying MSTR because they hold btc is like buying TSLA for the same reason. It doesn’t make any sense

The answer depends on your goals. If your main goal is to make money and the concept of Bitcoin isn't significant to you, then MSTR is the better choice. However, if you value having full control over your life and funds, then Bitcoin is the preferred option.

Is bitcoin not more better than any form of stock or shares and bond from a centralized institution, they determine what you can make as profits while in bitcoin, you determine what you earn the more you're able to hold longer, there's no how we can compare a centralized investment to bitcoin which is a decentralized one, the difference is clear, in terms of profitability, bitcoin will always have higher edge over them, this same organization are investing on bitcoin as well, so why the long process when bitcoin is for everyone without having to go through a barrier.

OP, when finding an answer for such questions, I believe that, in your example, everyone should start denominating the asset in Bitcoin. Is the asset earning you more Bitcoin, and it will therefore make you hold more units in Bitcoin if you sell the asset? I encourage HODLing, but if people want to "trade", then get the price in Bitcoin. Surging against Bitcoin = Bid, going against Bitcoin = just HODL Bitcoin.

We're here to get as much units in Bitcoin for the limited capital that we have. That's probably why I like Buy the DIP more than DCA. But choose what's more comfortable for YOU, or do both.

I just want to invest in btc and have invested in btc. I don't want to invest MicroStrategy MSTR and I have no idea about MicroStrategy MSTR. I got a lot of returns from bitcoin investing. I feel that the amount of return that I have received cannot be obtained by investing in unique coins. I have been investing in Bitcoin, Bitcoin seems much safer to me. I have not invested in MicroStrategy MSTR and I have no idea about MicroStrategy MSTR safe.

Not really, people know both BTC and stock, stock is nothing new because it's a centralized investment. Since Bitcoin is the only one and people are believing in decentralization, they choose Bitcoin over stock. But some people might diversify their portfolio because they didn't dare to all to Bitcoin.

If you ask people who fans of traditional investment, they will don't have any idea with Bitcoin.

They said it's a bubble, not secure, manipulated, etc, but they can't give any solid or constructive answer why they can say that.

I think both could definitely generate profits but it’s not exactly about that. Cryptocurrency and stocks are two different things and have different audiences. Some may even have invested in both. But bitcoin offers a different kind of utility when investing in it compared to stocks. For me right now at this point of my life, bitcoin seems to be the safest option and the most accessible one.

With bitcoin, there’s utility and function but with MSTR, aside from profit I don’t really see any point in investing in it.

Bitcointalk is a pure bitcoin forum and mostly bitcoin maximalists, so I don't think you'll get a second answer. Even investing in altcoins is frowned upon by many, so investing in stocks or anything other than bitcoin will also be rejected here. And the reason people here will only choose bitcoin is because they want to control and manage their assets themselves. So if you ask them to choose any concentrated asset, you will only get one answer.

           -   It's just like this: you have unearthed some gold. Now the question is: will you entrust the gold that was unearthed to other people or would you rather keep it yourself? So this is the logic of what I'm saying: you buy bitcoin, and then do you agree that someone else will hold your bitcoin so that at any time it can no longer be obtained? or are you the one to hide it so that you can take it out of your wallet at any time?

Of course, most investors will invest in bitcoin, not in the microstrategy you say OP. I believe none of the members will be willing to give their trust to the MicroStrategy. Why do you agree with your question?

You're in a Bitcoin forum and everyone will say that they'll invest on BTC obviously. But those that are from outside and are fans of traditional investments, they'd choose MSTR or if they're looking at the market, they'd choose BTC too.

Most of us here are more familiar with the move of BTC and that's why it's an easy answer that everyone is going to buy that rather than going with MSTR.

But if you're a diversified investor and you're also optimistic with MSTR, then you choose what you think is right for you as an investor and as part of diversification.

a. The basic step is to learn how to secure my funds and I have no issue with keeping my wallet. MSTR might have a good management who is pro-Bitcoin but humans cannot be totally trusted because they can change. It will be better to invest directly in Bitcoin and have peace of mind than to depend on a third party that can mismanage my money.

b. MSTR shares will always rise and fall with the price of Bitcoin. Although the company might make a profit from investing in other sectors there is no guarantee that it will generate more profit than Bitcoin.

a. Some people claim that they prefer investing in Bitcoin through third parties because they can't keep their keys or protect their wallets. In that case, Investing through MSTR might be safer for them. But I will always prefer to be in absolute control of my coins because third parties cannot be trusted.

There are always a number of people who believe in a lot of nonsense like earth being flat

The two aren't comparable though. Bukele sees Bitcoin not just as an investment but as money which is what Bitcoin really is whereas others such as Microstrategy guys see it as a means to make more (dollar) profit. This is why Bitcoin is legal tender in El Salvador not an "investment"...

If you start looking at it during the pumping period of MSTR that looks good; but if you look at bitcoin price in 2020 that started in $3k range and is currently $70k that is 2200% rise which MSTR rise despite its pump can not even compare to.

It is also not a good thing that the profit here is not coupled with bitcoin profit because it can dump regardless of what bitcoin does too... For example bitcoin could reach a million while MSTR dumps down to zero.

It is still a centralized company subject to all centralized regulations and consequences. If anyone wants to invest in a centralized company they should do that but they shouldn't even bring bitcoin up or compare it with bitcoin.

In other words regarding your main question, I'd say the question is wrong. You should never choose between the two because they are NOT in the same category.
Make your investment in bitcoin and also on top of that and separately  make your investment in MSTR or whatever stock you like (Apple, Google, ...) as your stock market involvement.

For a small time investor like me that's on the other side of the globe where Microstrategy is, my best choice is just BTC, no other way around it. Plus it's more accessible to other people to buy bitcoin than to buy a stock of MSTR, you just need to download or go to a centralized exchange or a decentralized, whatever you prefer, make it pass the KYC verification (if you're going to use centralized exchange) just do a P2P to buy bitcoin and then you can just hodl, some extra steps are pretty easy to follow too and if you're cautious, you can almost always avoid scammers or hackers that are trying to get your bitcoins.