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Quote from: af_newbie on February 19, 2016, 06:48:36 PM

I always wondered about the historical roots of the books in the Bible.

Who wrote the books of the Bible? When were they written? Why someone wrote them?

Were they inspired by God?

Wikipedia does not list the author(s):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

It seems weird that 2 billion people in the world follow this book but nobody knows who wrote it.

Comparison of Genesis' first Creation Story with Enuma Elish, a Babylonian creation story

The Babylonian creation story is called by its first two words "Enuma Elish."
According to archaeologists, it was originally written circa 1120 BCE.

It was discovered in 1875 CE. It bears many points of similarity to the first creation story
in the Bible:

Item	Ancient Israelite Creation Story	Babylonian Creation Story
-------------------------------	-------------------------------	-------------------------------
Source	Genesis 1:1 to 2:3	Enuma Elish
Date of writing (liberal belief)	8th or 9th century BCE	Late 12th century BCE
Date of writing (conservative belief)	13th century BCE, the time of Moses	Late 12th century BCE.
Author (liberal belief)	"P," authors of the Priestly tradition.	Unknown.
Author (conservative belief)	Moses.	Unknown.
Creator(s) of the universe	Multiple Gods, Elohim.	A God battling a Goddess.
Initial state of the earth	Desolate waste; covered in darkness.	Chaos; enveloped in darkness.
First development	Light created.	Light created.
Next development	Firmament created - a rigid dome over the earth separating the earth and heaven.	Firmament created; also perceived as a rigid dome.
Next development	Dry land created.	Dry land created.
Next development	Sun, moon, stars created.	Sun, moon, stars created.
Next development	Creation of men and women.	Creation of men and women.
Final development	God rests and sanctify the Sabbath.	Gods rest and celebrate.

source:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htm

According to Christian History, the Earth is 7330 years old. Bible (66 books) was written by 40 writers over 1400 years period.

source: http://www.bible.ca/b-bible-timeline-religious-history.htm

Some disturbing verses from it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1367154

it is so complicated to understand who wrote this book because we have too many options for this..

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Quote from: blackbird307 on February 21, 2016, 12:43:00 PM

Well no one is lazy. They want a fight? They will have one.

What? no one is lazy?!?

Have you... met... ... people?

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Well not all are that lazy. They want a fight? They will have one.

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Well no one is lazy. They want a fight? They will have one.

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Quote from: blackbird307 on February 21, 2016, 12:36:01 PM

This just tiring. This must be the strategy of religious people. To make others so tired that they just give up.

I think their strategy was to make the bible so long and boring that nobody would actually read the damn thing

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This just tiring. This must be the strategy of religious people. To make others so tired that they just give up.

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There is no clear authorship of the bible but I think its Jesus' disciples because they were one of the first who heard the word of God.

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Quote from: af_newbie on February 19, 2016, 06:48:36 PM

I always wondered about the historical roots of the books in the Bible.

Who wrote the books of the Bible? When were they written? Why someone wrote them?

Were they inspired by God?

Wikipedia does not list the author(s):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

It seems weird that 2 billion people in the world follow this book but nobody knows who wrote it.

Comparison of Genesis' first Creation Story with Enuma Elish, a Babylonian creation story

The Babylonian creation story is called by its first two words "Enuma Elish."
According to archaeologists, it was originally written circa 1120 BCE.

It was discovered in 1875 CE. It bears many points of similarity to the first creation story
in the Bible:

Item	Ancient Israelite Creation Story	Babylonian Creation Story
-------------------------------	-------------------------------	-------------------------------
Source	Genesis 1:1 to 2:3	Enuma Elish
Date of writing (liberal belief)	8th or 9th century BCE	Late 12th century BCE
Date of writing (conservative belief)	13th century BCE, the time of Moses	Late 12th century BCE.
Author (liberal belief)	"P," authors of the Priestly tradition.	Unknown.
Author (conservative belief)	Moses.	Unknown.
Creator(s) of the universe	Multiple Gods, Elohim.	A God battling a Goddess.
Initial state of the earth	Desolate waste; covered in darkness.	Chaos; enveloped in darkness.
First development	Light created.	Light created.
Next development	Firmament created - a rigid dome over the earth separating the earth and heaven.	Firmament created; also perceived as a rigid dome.
Next development	Dry land created.	Dry land created.
Next development	Sun, moon, stars created.	Sun, moon, stars created.
Next development	Creation of men and women.	Creation of men and women.
Final development	God rests and sanctify the Sabbath.	Gods rest and celebrate.

source:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htm

According to Christian History, the Earth is 7330 years old. Bible (66 books) was written by 40 writers over 1400 years period.

source: http://www.bible.ca/b-bible-timeline-religious-history.htm

Some disturbing verses from it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1367154

i think a person who was living in a delusional life and had schizophrenic mindset wrote the work of fantastic fiction.. when i read this , i made up my mind like that..

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Quote from: bitgolden on February 21, 2016, 11:17:41 AM

The Bible is not one book like a novel and written by a single or collection of authors, it is actually a compilation of actual facts. I believe the followers of Jesus contributed to write Bible.

there are lots of it aren't factual. the parables like the prodigal son i think isn't real but they jsut add the story there to set an example about the lost sheep.

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Quote from: bitgolden on February 21, 2016, 11:17:41 AM

The Bible is not one book like a novel and written by a single or collection of authors, it is actually a compilation of actual facts. I believe the followers of Jesus contributed to write Bible.

You have a very loose definition of the word, fact...

How many times does the word unicorn or dragon appear in the bible? Are you saying these mythological creatures are factual?

snake with 7 heads as well.

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The Bible is a book. Nothing more. Written by people. A collection of stories. That's it. Enough with the talking. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that it's real.

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Quote from: bitgolden on February 21, 2016, 11:17:41 AM

The Bible is not one book like a novel and written by a single or collection of authors, it is actually a compilation of actual facts. I believe the followers of Jesus contributed to write Bible.

You have a very loose definition of the word, fact...

How many times does the word unicorn or dragon appear in the bible? Are you saying these mythological creatures are factual?

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The Bible is not one book like a novel and written by a single or collection of authors, it is actually a compilation of actual facts. I believe the followers of Jesus contributed to write Bible.

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Quote from: electronicash on February 21, 2016, 11:03:54 AM

Quote from: bonski on February 21, 2016, 10:28:55 AM

Quote from: UNOE on February 21, 2016, 04:48:25 AM

Many men wrote the bible.
The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also

Yes, many men wrote the bible and as of now there are many translations but it doesn't really give the sense or true message because there are words that was changed. So for me, King James Version is the most reliable version of bible.

King james is just very recent maybe around 1611 years After Christ. God knows what they've changed. New testament should have been back when few disciples were still alive. i believe Paul reached Asia to spread the word..

Yeah, Apostle Paul reached Asia, and base on my research King James Version is much closer to the translation of the original context of the bible. Because King James got the most intelligent scholars that time to translate the original bible.

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Quote from: bonski on February 21, 2016, 10:28:55 AM

Quote from: UNOE on February 21, 2016, 04:48:25 AM

Many men wrote the bible.
The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also

Yes, many men wrote the bible and as of now there are many translations but it doesn't really give the sense or true message because there are words that was changed. So for me, King James Version is the most reliable version of bible.

King james is just very recent maybe around 1611 years After Christ. God knows what they've changed. New testament should have been back when few disciples were still alive. i believe Paul reached Asia to spread the word..

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Quote from: UNOE on February 21, 2016, 04:48:25 AM

Many men wrote the bible.
The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also

Yes, many men wrote the bible and as of now there are many translations but it doesn't really give the sense or true message because there are words that was changed. So for me, King James Version is the most reliable version of bible.

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Quote from: UNOE on February 21, 2016, 04:48:25 AM

Many men wrote the bible.
The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also

you mean those dead sea scrolls isn't exactly what it is and that its not really the real manuscript as these stories are handed down by word of mouth?

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Many men wrote the bible.
The bible is a collection of many stories handed down over thousands of years by mouth before ever written down. People changed the stories over the years to make them sound more magical or to make the point seem more important, many stories were condensed. Also entire books were edited or completely left out. All have been re-written over and over again for hundreds of years by many different people who either changed to make it more updated or to translate into other languages. The translations are not all exactly the same.It does, however, have literally hundreds of contradictions.Also if you know languages, you can compare the different translations to see the contradictions there also

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Quote from: Moloch on February 19, 2016, 07:47:31 PM

Quote from: criptix on February 19, 2016, 07:39:52 PM

You guys should check out the sumerian mythology/religion.

A lot of our world religions have their roots in their.
Creation of the world and men, paradies, great flood and so on.

This is also no surprise because usually if a new dominant religion is emerging the old one will be partly assimilated to make the transition as smooth as possible.

Christians would be surprised if they read the bible and the Sumerian texts... it would blow their minds...

Christians copied their entire tradition from somewhere... the texts are stolen from Sumerian and Jewish, the dates and festivals they stole are Germanic pagan...

December 25 (winter solstice), aka Yule, had been celebrated for centuries before anyone invented the name Christ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

Easter was also a pagan tradition... ever wonder what the Easter bunny and egg hunts have to do with Jesus rising from the dead?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ēostre

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Ēostre or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre, Northumbrian dialect Ēostre; Old High German: *Ôstara (reconstructed form)) is a Germanic divinity who, by way of the Germanic month bearing her name (Northumbrian: Ēosturmōnaþ; West Saxon: Ēastermōnaþ; Old High German: Ôstarmânoth), is the namesake of the festival of Easter.

Bede states that during Ēosturmōnaþ (the equivalent of April), pagan Anglo-Saxons had held feasts in Eostre's honor, but that this tradition had died out by his time, replaced by the Christian Paschal month, a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.

december 25 isn't the birth of christ as you can read the bible, they do have sheeps and the big star is there when jesus was born and the 3 kings were one the way as well.
if it were december, its going to be damn cold and has snow everywhere in jerusalem/bethlehem. so christ birthday its definitely not dec 25.

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Creator(s) of the universe

A single God, YHVH.

A God battling a Goddess.

I'm curious where it says YHVH created the universe... the first verse of the bible refers to Elohim, plural for gods, creating the universe

protip: Read Hebrew from right to left

Quote from: Genesis 1:1

In the beginning created gods, the heavens and the Earth.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets.

Bereshit (בראשית) = In the beginning
bara (ברא) = created
Elohim (אלהים) = gods (plural)
et (את) = the
hashamayim (השמים) = heavens (plural)
ve'et (ואת) = and the
ha'arets (הארץ) = Earth

IIRC, YHVH (יהוה/Yahweh/Jehovah) means lord... so, lord = gods? Now I'm confused

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Quote from: aardvark15 on February 20, 2016, 11:42:58 AM

This may have been said in the tread, but I was told that some people believe that Moses wrote Genesis. He obviously was not around during the creation, so if in fact he wrote Genesis, he was either told by God or the creation story was passed down from Adam, etc.

Or... Perhaps the scholars who have researched the book are correct when they say Moses never wrote it... 4 different people helped write Genesis... Hint, none of these 4 people were God...

Or, perhaps some asshat just made it all up... How is it more believable that God wrote it, than some storyteller wrote it?

People have always had stories about dragons and such... The bible is just a fairy tale... None of it is true... none of it...

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