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Litt

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hi litt,

just to make it clear:

the wallet.dat file that has the address i sent the btc to, is gone. The wallet was only there so that i could experiment with transacting btc from addy to addy. And when i was happy with my efforts, i burn the test materials forever. right? When i deleted it, i *wanted* it deleted. It's gone.

of course, the file from whence the btc were sent is still very much here on my box right now. But the bitcoin gui is showing an ominous unconfirmed debit.

is that clear? Thanks for your concern.

Well, I was hoping it was already given... I assumed that you already made a backup encrypted copy of your original wallet you started with before you began testing anything. If you didn't then you are shit out of luck I'm afraid.

germanMNY

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Maybe he could dump / freeze the ram? Is it possible to copy the swap-file (maybe with a live-cd)?

jashan

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I'm afraid that answers some of the suggestions:

Quote from: jonathan on June 17, 2011, 08:48:26 AM

And i deleted it with linux shred, so it really is gone.

If you had just "deleted" it, it would be kind of like putting it into a really huge, ugly, dirty trashcan. In that case, you could dig into that trashcan and maybe recover it. But my understanding is that you've literally burned it.

germanMNY

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Quote from: jonathan on June 17, 2011, 08:48:26 AM

And i deleted it with linux shred, so it really is gone. Are my btc lost?

Have you got a hard disk or a SSD/FlashHDD?

jashan

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the wallet.dat file that has the address i sent the btc to, is gone.
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of course, the file from whence the btc were sent is still very much here on my box right now. But the bitcoin gui is showing an ominous unconfirmed debit.

So, what you basically did is this:

You have Wallet A and Wallet B (think of physical wallets). Wallet B is a new wallet you just bought. It's empty. Then you take some dollar notes from Wallet A (which is full of dollar notes) and put it to Wallet B ("the address I sent the BTC to" = "Wallet B"). So the dollar notes were in Wallet B. Then you took Wallet B and burnt it to ashes.

If you had a backup of Wallet B (done magically with some molecule duplication technology), you'd have Wallet B1 and B2, both providing access to the Bitcoins you sent to Wallet B. Then when you burn B1, it's not a big deal - you still got B2.

In any case: Since you took the Bitcoins / dollar notes out of Wallet A, they're no longer there. So, if you completely emptied Wallet A, you could safely delete / burn Wallet A (however, if anyone ever sends you BTC to an address from Wallet A, those will be lost forever because no one can send them anywhere anymore).

Prze_koles

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So you basically deleted your own wallet. Nice one.

jashan

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Quote from: jonathan on June 17, 2011, 08:48:26 AM

hello, i was experimenting with moving a little btc money around from one address to another. After doing this i deleted one of the wallet.dat files. Ten minutes later, i moved all my bitcoins to one of my addresses. The trouble is, the wallet with that address was the one i deleted. And i deleted it with linux shred, so it really is gone. Are my btc lost?

Very likely. Sorry to hear that, hope you didn't burn too many Bitoins. But it's kind of like having paper-cash, moving it around different wallets and then throwing one of those wallets into fire.

The difference is that physical wallets are really hard to back up (I'm not aware of any technology that successfully does this). Digital wallets are really easy to back up. One just has to think of it.

That said ... it will be great once the Bitcoin client has some mechanisms for backups / encryption built in.

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Quote from: Litt on June 17, 2011, 08:51:37 AM

no worries. Just use the backup you already made before you moved around your wallets and started deleting stuff then let it confirm the blockchain again overnight.

I guess, he forgot about the backup part ...

Litt

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no worries. Just use the backup you already made before you moved around your wallets and started deleting stuff then let it confirm the blockchain again overnight.

jonathan

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edit; lost a btc wallet, then recovered it using awesome recovery software from makomk:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.344382

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