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Quote from: panjul07 on October 13, 2018, 10:58:32 PM

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As a result of numerous trials and error, we found the most ideal way to deal with multiple accounts and abusing faucet - adding PLAY MONEY currency and the ability to use faucet after first deposit.

Nice decision, even though IMO other options such as enable withdraw after first deposit or high minimum withdraw, so abuser will lose their money from faucet before reach minimum withdraw.

Still, it's more effective than block user who use VPN, Proxy or Tor because privacy/security concern, not abusing faucet/break other rules.

He did it well already, by requiring a deposit before players are able to claim the faucet is better than your suggestion which is about high minimum withdraw because it will affect other players who are really playing with their own deposit unless he has two different minimum withdrawals (for non deposit users and for deposit users).
If the reason is because abuser will lose their balance before reaching the minimum withdraw, then abusers will try again and again if there is still a chance to abuse the faucet easily. Real abusers wont give up just because they fails to reach minimum withdrawal few times.

Yeah, you are absolutely right!

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Quote from: Domicbora on October 16, 2018, 08:42:05 AM

Quote from: maydna on October 14, 2018, 02:42:48 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

I am sure that there is a way to prevent someone to do that thing especially if you are admin of the site. You will not have any problem to detect people who are trying to creating multiple accounts and abusing faucet. You can make some limitations for every user especially for people who are coming from the same IP, you can reduce the rewards of the faucet, or if someone caught abusing the faucet, then you can ban his IP. I am sure that you will find a good way to make sure your site secure from the abuse.

I think you are still making people punished for what the abusers are doing. Yes people who do not invest at all and do not deposit to it usually are not the type of people you want however back in the day when I first started gambling couple years ago I loved the faucets because there was a real chance that I grind that to withdrawal amount without depositing any single cent to it, that hooked me to the game, of course I have never managed to do that but whenever I lost I got closer to depositing and eventually deposited one day and ever since than I deposit and play with real money. Faucets was the one that got me hooked, if it was play money back in that day maybe I wouldn't be a gambler today.

You are right Domicbora, faucet really hooks people, let me explain for others why this happens: When you register and play with faucet, sometimes luckily you win, you can win so much to be able to withdraw but this happens very rarely. When you see that you won 0.002 bitcoin with 0.00001 bitcoin, you think that you are smart enough to win much from 0.01 right? Yeah, so when you won 0.002 btc. you decided to withdraw it. Then you begin playing with faicet again, seems you don't win so much to withdraw, so you deposit your 0.002 won. Then you lose it, then you deposit 0.02 in order to win 0.002 and grow your chances of prodit. Then you win or lose but finally you lose, that's all.

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Quote from: maydna on October 14, 2018, 02:42:48 AM

Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

I am sure that there is a way to prevent someone to do that thing especially if you are admin of the site. You will not have any problem to detect people who are trying to creating multiple accounts and abusing faucet. You can make some limitations for every user especially for people who are coming from the same IP, you can reduce the rewards of the faucet, or if someone caught abusing the faucet, then you can ban his IP. I am sure that you will find a good way to make sure your site secure from the abuse.

I think you are still making people punished for what the abusers are doing. Yes people who do not invest at all and do not deposit to it usually are not the type of people you want however back in the day when I first started gambling couple years ago I loved the faucets because there was a real chance that I grind that to withdrawal amount without depositing any single cent to it, that hooked me to the game, of course I have never managed to do that but whenever I lost I got closer to depositing and eventually deposited one day and ever since than I deposit and play with real money. Faucets was the one that got me hooked, if it was play money back in that day maybe I wouldn't be a gambler today.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on October 14, 2018, 12:37:42 AM

Quote from: panjul07 on October 13, 2018, 10:58:32 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

As a result of numerous trials and error, we found the most ideal way to deal with multiple accounts and abusing faucet - adding PLAY MONEY currency and the ability to use faucet after first deposit.

Nice decision, even though IMO other options such as enable withdraw after first deposit or high minimum withdraw, so abuser will lose their money from faucet before reach minimum withdraw.

Still, it's more effective than block user who use VPN, Proxy or Tor because privacy/security concern, not abusing faucet/break other rules.

He did it well already, by requiring a deposit before players are able to claim the faucet is better than your suggestion which is about high minimum withdraw because it will affect other players who are really playing with their own deposit unless he has two different minimum withdrawals (for non deposit users and for deposit users).
If the reason is because abuser will lose their balance before reaching the minimum withdraw, then abusers will try again and again if there is still a chance to abuse the faucet easily. Real abusers wont give up just because they fails to reach minimum withdrawal few times.

When this system is applied on new gambling sites today even on older ones then it can really reduce abusers but i do still see some disadvantages where a possible site player will lose interest due he cant test out the site for free because of that initial deposit but these are only on small chances and its much better to get rid of these abusers and would really be helpful for gambling site owners. We are building on making profits not on building a charity so any type or abuse wont really be tolerated.

They said that they were adding PLAY MONEY for testing purposes. So, no interest will be lost on this account.

Faucet abuse is one of the biggest problems for gambling sites and it has been discussed in many threads here. I myself try to propose various ideas for solving it from time to time. Just today I thought about at least a partial solution. What if creating a database with verified gamblers can help? I mean, gamblers who were making deposits and were wagering high amounts on other sites should be trusted as human players (not bots), and thus should be allowed to use the faucet without any additional requirements. The advantage of this approach would be that a new site could immediately attract real gamblers to play on it, rather than attracting abusers as is often the case.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

I am sure that there is a way to prevent someone to do that thing especially if you are admin of the site. You will not have any problem to detect people who are trying to creating multiple accounts and abusing faucet. You can make some limitations for every user especially for people who are coming from the same IP, you can reduce the rewards of the faucet, or if someone caught abusing the faucet, then you can ban his IP. I am sure that you will find a good way to make sure your site secure from the abuse.

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Quote from: panjul07 on October 13, 2018, 10:58:32 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

As a result of numerous trials and error, we found the most ideal way to deal with multiple accounts and abusing faucet - adding PLAY MONEY currency and the ability to use faucet after first deposit.

Nice decision, even though IMO other options such as enable withdraw after first deposit or high minimum withdraw, so abuser will lose their money from faucet before reach minimum withdraw.

Still, it's more effective than block user who use VPN, Proxy or Tor because privacy/security concern, not abusing faucet/break other rules.

He did it well already, by requiring a deposit before players are able to claim the faucet is better than your suggestion which is about high minimum withdraw because it will affect other players who are really playing with their own deposit unless he has two different minimum withdrawals (for non deposit users and for deposit users).
If the reason is because abuser will lose their balance before reaching the minimum withdraw, then abusers will try again and again if there is still a chance to abuse the faucet easily. Real abusers wont give up just because they fails to reach minimum withdrawal few times.

When this system is applied on new gambling sites today even on older ones then it can really reduce abusers but i do still see some disadvantages where a possible site player will lose interest due he cant test out the site for free because of that initial deposit but these are only on small chances and its much better to get rid of these abusers and would really be helpful for gambling site owners. We are building on making profits not on building a charity so any type or abuse wont really be tolerated.

panjul07

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Quote from: ?? on ??

As a result of numerous trials and error, we found the most ideal way to deal with multiple accounts and abusing faucet - adding PLAY MONEY currency and the ability to use faucet after first deposit.

Nice decision, even though IMO other options such as enable withdraw after first deposit or high minimum withdraw, so abuser will lose their money from faucet before reach minimum withdraw.

Still, it's more effective than block user who use VPN, Proxy or Tor because privacy/security concern, not abusing faucet/break other rules.

He did it well already, by requiring a deposit before players are able to claim the faucet is better than your suggestion which is about high minimum withdraw because it will affect other players who are really playing with their own deposit unless he has two different minimum withdrawals (for non deposit users and for deposit users).
If the reason is because abuser will lose their balance before reaching the minimum withdraw, then abusers will try again and again if there is still a chance to abuse the faucet easily. Real abusers wont give up just because they fails to reach minimum withdrawal few times.

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Quote from: axicron on July 20, 2018, 07:22:19 AM

You can create your own currency which will be available on your site only so the faucet gives it. Or if you want it to be "real" you can limit some betting options such as win multiplier to avoid accident x1000 wins.

That won't change anything. Your currency will also be abused by farmers and you will have to make sure it's worth something or you will not only make the abusers quit farming but everyone else. It's very hard to keep things in balance. If you make the faucet to difficult to access with accounts and verification people won't be using it. Make it too easy to abuse and they will farm the shit out of it.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

You can't. There is absolutely no way to protect that aside from IP restriction. Which would actually help out because its harder to spoof your IP compared to just logging out and logging with another account. Even tho you can make it harder for them to abuse it, if you are giving out FREE money to people in the end there will always be people who will try to abuse that right.

However if you make the faucet small enough and the withdraw amount big enough just like primedice than it would be harder for them to withdraw and makes it useless. So, two things you can do to at least slow it down and make it tiny ; make it IP restricted and make it 100 times lower than the withdraw amount.

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You can create your own currency which will be available on your site only so the faucet gives it. Or if you want it to be "real" you can limit some betting options such as win multiplier to avoid accident x1000 wins.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Give the user a bonus even for such a low amount he's gone to such great lengths, now getting serious there's a simple solution get professional service, you could use ipqualityscore check all IP address and block people having same address, also yiu could use cron to do it, just set it up and it'll take care. It's a one time thing and should solve your problem.

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I'm really wondering what people are actually attempting to abuse these faucets. They could make much more money doing almost anything else.

I agree it's a shame but there will always be abusers, sometimes we just have to live with it.

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Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

If you this no one will play on your gambling site lol. Gamblers hate KYC and will leave your site if you apply that.

How about decrease the amount of faucet to 100 satoshi or 10 satoshi to make the abusers stop and once it stop, increase the faucet again to the normal. If it still happened, just block the ip everytime the abuser comeback. Or you can block the withdrawal if the player only play from faucet.

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You can create up to 5 accounts with one user, it will not be unprofitable for you i think.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Never thought that this is still a problem since there is a lot of sites now that counter that kind of abused. I still remember in the past where gamblers online usually abuse the faucets, it is the same in the way earning money on sites that you can refer people by just answering surveys.

I don't want KYC since gamblers love the anonymity the reason they are gambling online. I would keep their anonymity but in at the same case, I will be blocking users of VPN and Tor users. I also agree that KYC must only be used when the owner find something suspicious on a gambler's win.

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Quote from: JL421 on June 20, 2018, 02:30:36 PM

Quote from: TheUltraElite on June 20, 2018, 09:50:56 AM

Quote from: Devawnm367 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:58 PM

Run I.P. Scanner, Have each signup, go through a know your customer (KYC), I would have them submit there I.D's, plust a picture Of them holding there I'ds with the customer holding a piece of papers, with todays, date the company name and their name!! it's about all you can do.

Do that and you wont have a single customer who would join your casino if you even become the owner of one.

1. IP scans wont be able to detect the users who are circumventing IP ban using VPNs. There have been a number of such cases on several casino sites and these abusers were tracked and whack-a-mole'd.
2. KYC goes against the original ideas of crypto. Crypto gives anonymity while KYC takes it away form them.

That irony 'kyc takes anonymity from the user' you do realize the site which is there in your signature also follows the same thing which you would wanna avoid. Funny part even though you are aware that kyc shouldn't be asked from customers you are still promoting such a site which makes it mandatory if someone makes a profit

Asking KYC for your customers is not that really necessary when it involves making profit and the owner should respect that too or else they won't have more customer to visit on their site. KYC is best only in casinos because they will see that person in their building but when talking about anonymity, you better erase that KYC thing.

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Quote from: jhongzjhong on June 22, 2018, 02:24:29 PM

In this case, implementing KYC is the best option to avoid that abusers on your gambling site, they must be filled up the form before joining from your site. I don't have experience on this but technically most of the site now was implementing KYC, i don't know if some people like this but if your site was profitable to them they keep coming. Another thing that you can avoid is higher the amount they can withdraw not like the same amount on the faucet.

Quote from: onnz423 on June 22, 2018, 01:55:38 PM

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1. Prevent sign ups from temporarily email domains
2. Block all VPNS/Tor/Sock5
3. Restrict accounts to 1 per IP address, but don't make this rule public knowledge otherwise it will be circumvented.

I would rather suggest the number 1 and 2.

But you won't attract new players if you have KYC. Most of crypto gamblers want is to stay anonymous and that factor also attract them. For me, KYC should only be applied if the owner find a suspicious win. Just limit the claim and lower it to 10sats maybe.

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Quote from: kurian on July 19, 2018, 02:47:27 PM

Restrict IP to one per household. Make some wagering requirements to start claiming from the faucet means, player should make at least one transaction.

That and pherhaps valid email as well / 2fa must have.
So you won't get a ghost town of fake Players everywhere.

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Restrict IP to one per household. Make some wagering requirements to start claiming from the faucet means, player should make at least one transaction.

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Quote from: BitGame777 on June 04, 2017, 01:36:21 PM

Not so long ago, we simplify registration process at our site leaving only the username field...
As a consequence, we are faced with a problem of creating multiple accounts by the same user and abusing faucet (faucet at our site - 0.007 mBTC and only request every 3 hours when balance is zero).
Guys, what solutions do you recommend? Huh

Thank you!

Simple, which you should make ip restrictions where it could only claim certain times of faucet on a single day. Ive seen some sites do even give out 0.01- 0.025 mbtc per claim and it is on once per hour but do have max claim of 5x per day per account. Having these kind of limits will surely cut out that kind of abuse but expect it wont really get rid of those people who do make use of vpn for multiple registrations.

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