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Quote from: btchip on February 23, 2014, 07:54:31 PM

Also shameless self advertising http://www.hardwarewallet.com - available soon, after some lengthy redesigning process, target price around 10€

I don't see a display; how does the user verify the transaction details haven't been modified by malware before signing the transaction?

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 23, 2014, 05:12:42 PM

Although not entirely convinced are the hardware wallets really the safest way of storing bitcoins. They may be resistant to hackers/trojans etc, but you entirely rely on physical device which can be lost/stolen/destroyed (unless I'm missing something here).

As I understand it, the Trezor will let you write down the seed for the keys when they are generated, in case the wallet is lost/stolen/destroyed. A thief shouldn't be able to brute-force the PIN on the device for some time, giving the original owner time to regenerate the keys elsewhere and move the funds.

btchip

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CTO, Ledger

Also shameless self advertising http://www.hardwarewallet.com - available soon, after some lengthy redesigning process, target price around 10€

vpitcher07

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I heard about the BFL wallet. I wouldn't consider dropping a penny until they are in stock though. Never preorder from them - although this is something that time isn't really of the greatest importance in receiving.

FlappySocks

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It's not really a hardware wallet, in the sense that it can sign transactions for you, and not give up it's key.

Warren

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There is also the http://www.pi-wallet.com/ which seems pretty good and is available to buy now, but they probably have to improve the design of it a bit if they want to sell it to the general public!

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Quote from: MakeBelieve on February 23, 2014, 06:54:40 PM

Hardware wallets would be a big target for virus relating to Bitcoin so I would rather just have a paper wallet where no virus will affect me.

Hardware wallets don't have an OS (or shouldn't have), and only communicate using a verifiable protocol. Just how would they get a virus?

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Hardware wallets would be a big target for virus relating to Bitcoin so I would rather just have a paper wallet where no virus will affect me.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 23, 2014, 05:12:42 PM

There's also this thing (or will be soon?):
http://www.butterflylabs.com/bitcoin-hardware-wallet/

Although not entirely convinced are the hardware wallets really the safest way of storing bitcoins. They may be resistant to hackers/trojans etc, but you entirely rely on physical device which can be lost/stolen/destroyed (unless I'm missing something here).

I wouldn't buy this unless you plan on waiting two weeks^tm for it.

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Quote from: leopard2 on February 23, 2014, 05:48:04 PM

Quote from: Coinster on February 23, 2014, 05:23:05 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 23, 2014, 05:12:42 PM

There's also this thing (or will be soon?):
http://www.butterflylabs.com/bitcoin-hardware-wallet/

Wow, I hadn't seen that. Looks really nice. Waterproof and with multi-signature support too? Very nice.

Pre-order one today then, you will receive it when Gox processes withdrawals, guaranteed. Grin

To be fair we've been waiting for Bitcoin Trezor for a while too. Producing hardware products has extra considerations than strictly software ones

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Quote from: Coinster on February 23, 2014, 05:23:05 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 23, 2014, 05:12:42 PM

There's also this thing (or will be soon?):
http://www.butterflylabs.com/bitcoin-hardware-wallet/

Wow, I hadn't seen that. Looks really nice. Waterproof and with multi-signature support too? Very nice.

Pre-order one today then, you will receive it when Gox processes withdrawals, guaranteed. Grin

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The butterfly labs thing is going to be too expensive, and duplicates a lot of functionality you already carry around in your pocket. I can see it making a good POS device for traders, but for ordinary folk, we want small and cheap.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on February 23, 2014, 05:12:42 PM

There's also this thing (or will be soon?):
http://www.butterflylabs.com/bitcoin-hardware-wallet/

Wow, I hadn't seen that. Looks really nice. Waterproof and with multi-signature support too? Very nice.

FlappySocks

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Yeah your missing something. You use a seed to generate the key, and keep that locked away.

A hardware wallet will never give up its key. In theory safer than using paper wallets, as there is less chance of you making a mistake.

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There's also this thing (or will be soon?):
http://www.butterflylabs.com/bitcoin-hardware-wallet/

Although not entirely convinced are the hardware wallets really the safest way of storing bitcoins. They may be resistant to hackers/trojans etc, but you entirely rely on physical device which can be lost/stolen/destroyed (unless I'm missing something here).

FlappySocks

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Quote from: noob2001 on February 23, 2014, 02:20:47 PM

I truely believe this will be the "killer app" for bitcoin.

I agree, and i'm disappointed we have not got them yet. The Trezor lacks NFC and a keypad.

I want a credit card sized hardware wallet. Cheap. NFC, so that I can stage the payment on my phone, and then get the hardware wallet to sign the transaction by holding it to the back of my phone, and enter pin.

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