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November 21, 2018, 01:19:53 PM
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When Hal Finney was looking into building a digital store of value, he needed help. Of course, being the early days of the internet, the cypher-punks (as they were known) used forums as their primary method of communication.
2008 "the early days of the internet"?
How old is the author of such nonsense?
Only a kid would concoct such rubbish.

We don’t need to go into who Hal Finney is. Put simply, he is the inventor of bitcoin.
Sure, why not state an assumption as fact to start with?
Conjecture.

It was through these forums that Finney met David Kleiman. Kleiman, a cryptography expert came up with the concept of “mining”, whereby a computational puzzle is solved by a network of computers to generate a new collection of transactions, known as a “block”.
Mining was not invented by Kleimann.
It's already an integral part of Wei Dai's b-money.

As Kleiman and Finney began to create the bitcoin protocol, it was Finney’s idea to build an identity for Bitcoin’s creator.
Sure, why not just state assumptions as facts?
Conjecture.

Satoshi Nakomoto was born from the parents of David Kleiman and Hal Finney. As the two collaborated over the specifics of the Bitcoin protocol, they realised they needed to conduct tests, get guidance from other conspirators and of course, send bitcoin.
There is no evidence of any cooperation in the design of Bitcoin.
It's far more likely that Bitcoin is the invention of a single mind.
A collaborative effort would probably have resulted in a far less elegant (bloated) design.

Hal Finney had Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also known as motor neurone disease (MND), or Lou Gehrig’s disease.
There's no evidence that Hal Finney knew of his ALS in 2008.
His own record talks of August 2009 as the time of diagnosis.
He might have been lying to cover up, but that seems far-fetched.

Hal Finney came up with the name Satoshi Nakomoto. That much is obvious too.
Why is that obvious?
Conjecture.

Hal Finney lacked the mobility to collaborate with all of the contributors of bitcoin.
Hal Finney did not retire before 2011, well after the disappearance of Satoshi Nakamoto.
It doesn't follow that he lacked the mobility before.
Since Satoshi's collaboration with others was mainly via email and forums, it's also illogical why sitting in a wheelchair should have stopped him.

Dave Kleiman had all the login details for Satoshi Nakamoto’s email accounts. He had all the forum logins and passwords for collaborating. He was an expert at covering his tracks, and knew how to disappear without a trace. But he was ultimately acting at Hal Finney’s bidding.
Conjecture.

Once the protocol was constructed, Hal Finney directed Dave Kleiman to make the first transaction to his wallet. It was thus only Hal Finney and Dave Kleiman who had access to the private key for the intial supply of Bitcoin.
There's no such thing as an "initial supply of Bitcoin".
Does the author even know what he's talking about?

Hal Finney soon realised that the system was gaining traction. He knew that Satoshi needed to disappear. He instructed Dave Kleiman to destroy all the evidence of their collaboration (which wasn’t hard considering it was all heavily encrypted). In deleting all the evidence, Dave Kleiman sealed Satoshi’s fate for years to come. We refer to this event as the erasure.
Conjecture.

For the a brief moment in history, Craig Steven Wright had a login for Satoshi Nakamoto.
WTF? Where'd that come from?
Why? How? Where's TF evidence for that?
Conjecture.

Dave Kleiman needed help. We all need help. Craig Steven Wright claimed to have access to that information. He was great at winging his way through things, and he had all the cunning to convince Kleiman to let him have a piece of the action.
Why did Kleemann need help?
Why would he turn to CSW?
Granted, CSW seems to know a lot about "winging it".

Kleiman sent him bitcoin using the original private key, allowing Wright to be able to showcase the earliest known bitcoin transaction (apart from the original). Wright then posted under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto.
Every single person in the whole wide world can showcase the earliest known Bitcoin transaction.
It's right there.

If this is all true, why did Hal Finney invent Bitcoin?

Hal was a masterful inventor. A bona fide genius. But he was flawed. He knew he was on borrowed time, living with ALS. He needed a way out.
Hal was not (knowingly) living with ALS in 2008, for all we know.

Hal Finney realised that his only way out was to raise enough money for treatment and eventually find a cure. He invented a new type of money specifically for this.
There's no evidence that Hal Finney used Bitcoin to raise money for his treatment.

Apart from the obvious shared understanding of cryptography, software development and so on, the two had something else in common. They were both wheelchair bound.
O wow. Both their first names second letter was "a", and so was Satoshi's Shocked

But it just might be true.
And pigs might just be able to fly.
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November 21, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
#22
is this teal ? i can;t believe this
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November 21, 2018, 05:44:19 AM
#21

Bitcoin was that way out. ALS is a terrible disease, and is near incurable. Hal Finney realised that his only way out was to raise enough money for treatment and eventually find a cure. He invented a new type of money specifically for this.


This make no sense to me, and are there any proofs that Finney sold a lot of btcs to find a cure?
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November 21, 2018, 04:36:08 AM
#20
If the CSW nonsense was removed, this would be a pretty nice write up.
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November 21, 2018, 04:25:42 AM
#19
I've always figured it was Dave Kleiman. Satoshi said he needed to move on to other things about a month before Kleiman died.

The thought was sealed when his friend, Craig Wright, came out later saying that he was Satoshi. Only someone who knew Satoshi would be able to confidently and boldly proclaim that they were Satoshi...knowing that the real Satoshi would not refute it.

It was my understanding that CSW advised on security type of stuff. If Kleiman knew Wright and needed to stay anonymous it makes sense that he would reveal himself to Wright so that he could help with hiding his identity.

I never really went down the path of Finney being the original guy but he was certainly smart enough and involved enough and Bitcoin is mainly just putting together several ideas within the cypher punk universe.

I would say it's more Finney and Kleiman being the main contributors to the whole thing. Wright was just someone who was along for the ride.

In the end, the media will never allow 3 white guys to be Satoshi. So they'll continue to say "a person, or group of people (a collective...a commune perhaps?)" invented Bitcoin.
That's a good point. In fact, I don't think a person who's been so successful is completely invisible
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November 21, 2018, 12:36:53 AM
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I've always figured it was Dave Kleiman. Satoshi said he needed to move on to other things about a month before Kleiman died.

The thought was sealed when his friend, Craig Wright, came out later saying that he was Satoshi. Only someone who knew Satoshi would be able to confidently and boldly proclaim that they were Satoshi...knowing that the real Satoshi would not refute it.

It was my understanding that CSW advised on security type of stuff. If Kleiman knew Wright and needed to stay anonymous it makes sense that he would reveal himself to Wright so that he could help with hiding his identity.

I never really went down the path of Finney being the original guy but he was certainly smart enough and involved enough and Bitcoin is mainly just putting together several ideas within the cypher punk universe.

I would say it's more Finney and Kleiman being the main contributors to the whole thing. Wright was just someone who was along for the ride.

In the end, the media will never allow 3 white guys to be Satoshi. So they'll continue to say "a person, or group of people (a collective...a commune perhaps?)" invented Bitcoin.
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November 20, 2018, 06:09:04 PM
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thank you! interesting! his PhD thesis is about Time-Stamping Systems which also was the basis of Satoshi's work.

but again. if a conman is constantly lying about the origin of your work would you then keep silent and not telling the truth to the public at least incognito if you are still alive?

If someone wanted truly not to be known, I doubt that any conman would get him to reveal himself.

I'm from Estonia and it's a really small country, would be a bang if bitcoin was created here, though I doubt it. We do have lots of smart(ass) people around Smiley Skype came from Estonia too, yeehaw Cheesy

And Kazaa and some other platforms from late 90's, early 2000's, which I think opened way for torrents? Not sure about the last part though.

yeah. I know about Estonia still beeing innovative. Skype, E-residency and so on! you can be proud of it.
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November 20, 2018, 06:03:33 PM
#16

thank you! interesting! his PhD thesis is about Time-Stamping Systems which also was the basis of Satoshi's work.

but again. if a conman is constantly lying about the origin of your work would you then keep silent and not telling the truth to the public at least incognito if you are still alive?

If someone wanted truly not to be known, I doubt that any conman would get him to reveal himself.

I'm from Estonia and it's a really small country, would be a bang if bitcoin was created here, though I doubt it. We do have lots of smart(ass) people around Smiley Skype came from Estonia too, yeehaw Cheesy

And Kazaa and some other platforms from late 90's, early 2000's, which I think opened way for torrents? Not sure about the last part though.
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November 20, 2018, 05:55:48 PM
#15

thank you! interesting! his PhD thesis is about Time-Stamping Systems which also was the basis of Satoshi's work.

but again. if a conman is constantly lying about the origin of your work would you then keeping silent and not telling the truth to the public at least incognito if you are still alive?
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November 20, 2018, 05:34:31 PM
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November 20, 2018, 05:12:39 PM
#13
I know who is Satoshi or better said, the persons behind this name but I am too lazy in this moment to write it. I posted a topic a few weeks or months ago.
All I want to say is that the purpose of Bitcoin was to become a "digital gold". For me, someone coming with the "bitgold" idea in 1998 tells me something...
If you guys are not suspicious about that, it's fine. Some projects take more than 10 years to materialize until you get the right people to work with, aka
the guys who launch your "digital gold" in the drug dealing business market on deep web.

yes I'm aware of Nick Szabo was suspected to wrote the Bitcoin whitepaper and it could be that he was involved somehow.

but think about it.

if you have the possibility to debunk a conman which is constantly lying about being the inventor of Bitcoin would you then not try to let the people know that the conman is not Satoshi Nakamoto?

for this you don't have to reveal that you are the real Satoshi. just post somewhere incognito a signed message with a private key of an early mined block from 2009 that the conman is not Satoshi Nakamoto. and the conman is done.

because of this I really doubt Nick Szabo was a member of the main team.
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November 20, 2018, 03:30:12 PM
#12
I know who is Satoshi or better said, the persons behind this name but I am too lazy in this moment to write it. I posted a topic a few weeks or months ago.
All I want to say is that the purpose of Bitcoin was to become a "digital gold". For me, someone coming with the "bitgold" idea in 1998 tells me something...
If you guys are not suspicious about that, it's fine. Some projects take more than 10 years to materialize until you get the right people to work with, aka
the guys who launch your "digital gold" in the drug dealing business market on deep web.
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November 20, 2018, 03:08:42 PM
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Is there a copy of the post which CSW supposedly wrote?

what do you mean?

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Kleiman sent him bitcoin using the original private key, allowing Wright to be able to showcase the earliest known bitcoin transaction (apart from the original). Wright then posted under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto.

I guess this means the not public claim as Faketoshi convinced Gavin Andresen and others that he is Satoshi himself.

https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/81115/if-someone-wanted-to-pretend-to-be-satoshi-by-posting-a-fake-signature-to-defrau

https://youtu.be/tEKw-6NEysA?t=12

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I don't want money, I don't want fame, I don't want adoration, I just want to be left alone.

Look at what he's doing now, if he wanted to be left alone he wouldn't do this whole BCH(XXXXXXX) shitshow.

So there's no real evidence. I just don't believe that he could come up with something like this, his persona is opposite of Satoshi.
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November 20, 2018, 02:43:20 PM
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Is there a copy of the post which CSW supposedly wrote?

what do you mean?

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Kleiman sent him bitcoin using the original private key, allowing Wright to be able to showcase the earliest known bitcoin transaction (apart from the original). Wright then posted under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto.

I guess this means the not public claim as Faketoshi convinced Gavin Andresen and others that he is Satoshi himself.

https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/81115/if-someone-wanted-to-pretend-to-be-satoshi-by-posting-a-fake-signature-to-defrau


BBC: "But you can say, hand on heart to me: I am Satoshi Nakamoto?"
Faketoshi: "I was the main part of it!" (lying) "Other people helped me." (true: Hal and Dave)

https://youtu.be/tEKw-6NEysA?t=12
https://youtu.be/5DCAC1j2HTY?t=36

(watch if he is lying he is not looking into the eyes of the BBC reporter but as he mentioned  "Other people helped me." he is turning his head to the reporter. body language often tells the truth.)
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November 20, 2018, 02:38:19 PM
#9
Is there a copy of the post which CSW supposedly wrote?

what do you mean?

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Kleiman sent him bitcoin using the original private key, allowing Wright to be able to showcase the earliest known bitcoin transaction (apart from the original). Wright then posted under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto.
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November 20, 2018, 02:34:38 PM
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Is there a copy of the post which CSW supposedly wrote?

what do you mean?
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November 20, 2018, 02:30:56 PM
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Is there a copy of the post which CSW supposedly wrote?
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November 20, 2018, 02:24:00 PM
#6
Haven't we pretty much known this all along?

there is a conman still alive called Faketoshi. this is the reason why the truth should be public.

for the record: I'm not Oscar neither Satoshi Grin
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November 20, 2018, 02:21:52 PM
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no but seriously, what tosh, Oscar
Hal disingenuously emailing himself?

Hal wrote with Dave all the time. is it so difficult to replace names and email addresses if you didn't hand over the email raw code to the public? I don't think so.

https://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/finneynakamotoemails.pdf
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November 20, 2018, 02:04:42 PM
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Haven't we pretty much known this all along?

No offense Gyrsur, it is a good synopsis, and well timed.
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