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October 28, 2022, 01:40:38 PM
#41
There is a good difference though, I mean if we are talking about regulation to set the legal boundaries for crypto then it is of course a good thing. However, let’s be honest there are a lot of stocks that goes down with certain regulations.

Like put up some pollution preventing regulations to energy sector and see how they will go down, over half of all the companies in the USA that pollutes the world comes from Texas energy companies for example, and that should tell you how regulations regarding pollution would destroy them. Which means not "all" regulations are good, some of them are good and some of them are not really that great in the end.

So you think regulation will destroy Bitcoin Industry?  I don't think so, it may counter or nullify the decentralization feature of Bitcoin but I doubt it will destroy the Bitcoin market.  Government regulation bring more trust.  People trust government licensed entity, same goes with Bitcoin if the government adopt it as legal tender or whatever as long as it isn't a ban.

They still think or rather think Bitcoin as some kind of money that's easy to access just like how they access it through banks but they didn't realize what was the purpose of why Satoshi made Bitcoin. Some of them are out of their minds or they just want some kind of security where they can be safe against scammers but I would say that's not the point if that's what they it's all about for having a Bitcoin.

Come again???

Pushing KYC or regulated cryptocurrency is just weird since it's most likely there's no difference between fiat and cryptocurrency that's being handled by the banks or third-party.

KYC is implemented only on centralized exchanges or services that caters bitcoin transaction.  If you go p2p, you won't undergo any kyc requirement.  Another thing, using Bitcoin does not make us special that we can have the right to bypass government regulation.
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October 28, 2022, 03:12:31 AM
#40
The good thing with decentralized blockchain technology and cryptocurrency is that all transactions are recorded in a transparent way to which every individual has access. So I think corruption will be countered by the transparent record of blockchain technology.
Which precisely an anti government tools. Imagine how many corrupt politician would definitely disagree on implementing this on the transaction part of their work. There will be always a downside which one we pick, but decentralized will be favor to scammers thats why government dont like it. But I believe its fine to be centralized but that includes them on process. I doubt they will.
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October 27, 2022, 06:29:34 PM
#39
They still think or rather think Bitcoin as some kind of money that's easy to access just like how they access it through banks but they didn't realize what was the purpose of why Satoshi made Bitcoin. Some of them are out of their minds or they just want some kind of security where they can be safe against scammers but I would say that's not the point if that's what they it's all about for having a Bitcoin. Pushing KYC or regulated cryptocurrency is just weird since it's most likely there's no difference between fiat and cryptocurrency that's being handled by the banks or third-party.
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October 27, 2022, 06:22:55 PM
#38
The reason why most people and especially investors think that way about the bitcoin regulation is clear to me, imagine if you see more countries step into the regulation of bitcoin is mostly because we can see more demand on the market, people all over the world think everything is good if the governments accept it and when they see something is not related or approved by the governments they will probably prefer the other investment options instead of that, so just like you said I guess the bitcoin regulation is good for the future of the bitcoin price and can have positive effects.
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October 27, 2022, 02:38:39 PM
#37
... What will the industry look like in 10 years in terms of regulation and KYC?

When bitcoin is stable in another couple of magnitudes in fiat price, then people will not feel the need to use a centralized exchange to get out of crypto.  If you transact in and stay in crypto then KYC would seem to be much less of an issue.  Instead of control freaks, one will have more freedom.
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October 27, 2022, 02:36:59 PM
#36
But at the same time, without regulation, a huge number of scams and scammers appear, many exchanges manipulate prices with impunity.
Scams and frauds will always exist. Regulation doesn't stop that, it never did. It only makes it punishable. But, in the end, it's you who needs to realize what's fraudulent and what's not, not some politicians. You're the one who's responsible for your money. As for your second part, are you sure about that? Regulations might calm things down for a little, but as far as I'm concerned, there's a lot of manipulation and a lot of regulation already. That says a lot.
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October 27, 2022, 02:33:59 PM
#35
There is a good difference though, I mean if we are talking about regulation to set the legal boundaries for crypto then it is of course a good thing. However, let’s be honest there are a lot of stocks that goes down with certain regulations.

Like put up some pollution preventing regulations to energy sector and see how they will go down, over half of all the companies in the USA that pollutes the world comes from Texas energy companies for example, and that should tell you how regulations regarding pollution would destroy them. Which means not "all" regulations are good, some of them are good and some of them are not really that great in the end.

This is a very good point you are bringing up here. The real problem about the discussion about Bitcoin is that regulators try to deflect from the truth, which is that the banking system currently is again struggling at least partially. And that is by no means because Bitcoin exists. If anything is going to lead us into another financial crisis or even catastrophe, I think it is rather a crumbling, gambling addicted banking system than Bitcoin. Their argument always is that without regulation an armageddon is going to happen in the financial world. At the same time we are witnessing gigantic collapses of fully regulated companies like Wirecard, which was listed in the DAX 30. Regulation should definitely not be based on false premises. That would only lead to overregulation in this case as the hypothesis is that Bitcoin is dangerous.
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October 27, 2022, 01:54:04 PM
#34
There is a good difference though, I mean if we are talking about regulation to set the legal boundaries for crypto then it is of course a good thing. However, let’s be honest there are a lot of stocks that goes down with certain regulations.

Like put up some pollution preventing regulations to energy sector and see how they will go down, over half of all the companies in the USA that pollutes the world comes from Texas energy companies for example, and that should tell you how regulations regarding pollution would destroy them. Which means not "all" regulations are good, some of them are good and some of them are not really that great in the end.
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October 27, 2022, 01:47:47 PM
#33
Regulating crypto will make common man stay out of crypto while the big whales and influencers will keep on getting bitcoin and making the general public more difficult to get bitcoin.

I do not think so.  Crypto regulation won't make common man stay out of crypto but those who wanted to hide their asset fromt the government.  For sure big whales and influencers will seize this opportunity to profit.

A famous youtuber Davincij15 told about these views in his current video ALTCOINS WILL EXPLODE SOON!!!!.
After seeing the views in this video about regulation, i am just confused whether regulation of crypto is good or bad for crypto  Huh There may be few good things about regulation while there are some drawbacks for crypto regulation also.

There is always pros and cons but if adoption is priority, regulation weighs more than the cons.
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October 27, 2022, 11:52:07 AM
#32
With this kind of article, It had to be Bloomberg. Not surprised, they are always negative about Bitcoin and crypto in general.

What will the industry look like in 10 years in terms of regulation and KYC?
I think we are already seeing the signs.

Remember the old days when there were not stablecoins and one has to determine trading pair prices in sats?
And then came the centralized stablecoins and before we know it there will be CBCDs in most crypto exchanges.

The problem is that masses tend to trust centralized and custodial services where they have to sign up and avoid being responsible with their own money. It why custodial services like Coinbase and blockchain wallet are so popular among new users and noncustodial wallets like Electrum less popular. Some people just don't want to go an extra mile.
@sukmo you really hit a point here, this days people are running away from responsibility and are rather comfortable with other person's being saddle with such responsibility while they just sit at bar and watch. And with such case regulatory tendencies now emerge from those taking up the responsibility against those shying away from going the extra mile.
There's always a cost to pay for every decision
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October 27, 2022, 11:41:21 AM
#31
I don't really know if regulation is good or bad for crypto investors.
If we look at it from one perspective it shows that crypto can be widely adopted with the help of regulation.
This in turn means a bigger marketcap and hence the prices of various cryptocurrencies would increase.
If we look at it from another perspective then regulation directly means centralization of cryptocurrencies.
This in turn increases the risks of data security, privacy etc...
So in a way regulation has it's own advantages and disadvantages. For some might be good and for others its bad.
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October 27, 2022, 11:30:44 AM
#30
With this kind of article, It had to be Bloomberg. Not surprised, they are always negative about Bitcoin and crypto in general.

The problem is that masses tend to trust centralized and custodial services where they have to sign up and avoid being responsible with their own money. It why custodial services like Coinbase and blockchain wallet are so popular among new users and noncustodial wallets like Electrum less popular. Some people just don't want to go an extra mile.
Bloomberg although notoriously being a hater of bitcoin actually had a fair point in this one, at least to some degree. Regulating bitcoin or cryptocurrencies for that matter warrants more sophisticated systems of security that would then force scammers and hackers to be very tricky to get the upper hand in this cat and mouse game. Besides that I don't think there's any other benefit one could get from a centralized cryptocurrency regulated by an authoritative power like the governments.

Regulating crypto will make common man stay out of crypto while the big whales and influencers will keep on getting bitcoin and making the general public more difficult to get bitcoin. A famous youtuber Davincij15 told about these views in his current video ALTCOINS WILL EXPLODE SOON!!!!.
After seeing the views in this video about regulation, i am just confused whether regulation of crypto is good or bad for crypto  Huh There may be few good things about regulation while there are some drawbacks for crypto regulation also.
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October 27, 2022, 11:26:29 AM
#29
I always think that regulation is needed for adoption and is inevitable when adoption reaches a certain threshold.  Though Bitcoin is created to have freedom with transactions or money transfers, we cannot deny the fact that the industry still needs government regulation in order to strengthen the trust of institutional investors.  Aside from that many people trust government-regulated industry more than those that are unregulated for a certain reason such as security.  So I agree that regulation is somehow a good thing.

Its also what is said by popular supporters of Bitcoin which it needs regulation for it to be accepted by all. Regulations however comprises of lot more things which the authorities can seize your crypto easily.  

Here is the latest news I saw which Biden Administration Wants To Make It Easier To Seize Crypto Without Criminal Charges.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2022/10/25/biden-administration-wants-to-make-it-easier-to-seize-crypto-without-criminal-charges/?sh=5c952917557d

I'm not sure but the reverse transaction in crypto I think was proposed by someone from congress. Weird Idea and ts definitely what crypto is suppose to be. If they want this, they can just use Paypal who by the way re-insist the $2500 charges.
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October 27, 2022, 11:18:22 AM
#28
I always think that regulation is needed for adoption and is inevitable when adoption reaches a certain threshold.  Though Bitcoin is created to have freedom with transactions or money transfers, we cannot deny the fact that the industry still needs government regulation in order to strengthen the trust of institutional investors.  Aside from that many people trust government-regulated industry more than those that are unregulated for a certain reason such as security.  So I agree that regulation is somehow a good thing.

How to find a balance between regulation and the fundamentals of cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin) and is it possible? What will the industry look like in 10 years in terms of regulation and KYC?
Thats gonna be hard. Let just say decentralized are in favor of some especially the scammers, hackers and many thieves. Who keep jumping from ship to ship just to ransack money from people. Its something the government cannot tolerate. On the otherhand, even though the government has all authority on such regulation, being on centralized compromised corruption since it cant be held transparently which is also bad.

Not sure how to balance this cause both sides have their own pros and cons.

The good thing with decentralized blockchain technology and cryptocurrency is that all transactions are recorded in a transparent way to which every individual has access. So I think corruption will be countered by the transparent record of blockchain technology.

I think it is inevitable that trading BTC on a platform will always require some regulation. A business needs some control and unfortunately, most of the time government (even if they are unreliable) is the only one who can do that. The best thing to do if you're not a fan of it is to do P2P trades. The network is gonna be fine regardless of what happen on the regulation side imo.
There are two points here regarding your comment:
1. If you don't like regulation > P2P is the solution
2. If you like > Follow and follow the regulation.

As users we can choose one of these two points without blaming one of them.

I believe the government is also thinking to regulate P2P transactions  but at the moment they don't have any idea how.  Grin

I don't think we have the power to go against the government and its rules, and we also know the world is filled with rules whether people like it or not.

I agree we don't have the power to go against the government and its rule but we have an option to not go with it and suffer the consequences.
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October 27, 2022, 10:51:40 AM
#27
I think it is inevitable that trading BTC on a platform will always require some regulation. A business needs some control and unfortunately, most of the time government (even if they are unreliable) is the only one who can do that. The best thing to do if you're not a fan of it is to do P2P trades. The network is gonna be fine regardless of what happen on the regulation side imo.
There are two points here regarding your comment:
1. If you don't like regulation > P2P is the solution
2. If you like > Follow and follow the regulation.

As users we can choose one of these two points without blaming one of them. I don't think we have the power to go against the government and its rules, and we also know the world is filled with rules whether people like it or not.
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October 27, 2022, 10:37:26 AM
#26
I am not surprised by the support of regulations. It seems to me that it's always been the minority who deeply care about privacy, who disagree with the level of intervention into privacy that the state often has, who have something against providing an ID for some operations etc. But also, regulations aren't always about strict KYC; they can also be about a reasonable taxation system and about an ability to ensure that what you're doing is legal, which in turn means that you won't be persecuted but also that you'll be protected against the violations of others.
I think more regulations are pretty much inevitable, so we should focus on making those regulations reasonable.
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October 27, 2022, 03:15:10 AM
#25
Crime existed hundreds of years before bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, and without bitcoin, the government would never be able to stop all crime. Regulating bitcoin will never stop criminals, they will find another way to continue their behaviour, don't always associate crime with bitcoin.
This is where you guys are getting it wrong when I read your replies. No one is saying that crimes don't exist before cryptocurrencies, I was just referring to how easier it is for criminals to use the decentralization and anonymity of crypto. No doubt, crypto has huge benefits, but don't let us always turn blind eye to its shortcomings.

This is not going to happen. Regulation means user account control, if you don't control users how can you hunt criminals, there is no such kind of regulation.
You are right to some extent, regulations might be targeting users' control but not in the case of crypto which is the subject matter here. If a blockchain is truly decentralized like Bitcoin and one uses an open-source non-custodial wallet, there is no way any government would control that, they could only trace the transactions, which is what I advocate.
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October 26, 2022, 03:57:10 PM
#24
With this kind of article, It had to be Bloomberg. Not surprised, they are always negative about Bitcoin and crypto in general.

The problem is that masses tend to trust centralized and custodial services where they have to sign up and avoid being responsible with their own money. It why custodial services like Coinbase and blockchain wallet are so popular among new users and noncustodial wallets like Electrum less popular. Some people just don't want to go an extra mile.
Bloomberg although notoriously being a hater of bitcoin actually had a fair point in this one, at least to some degree. Regulating bitcoin or cryptocurrencies for that matter warrants more sophisticated systems of security that would then force scammers and hackers to be very tricky to get the upper hand in this cat and mouse game. Besides that I don't think there's any other benefit one could get from a centralized cryptocurrency regulated by an authoritative power like the governments.
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October 26, 2022, 03:47:41 PM
#23
Stumbled upon a recent Bloomberg article: Bloomberg: Strict Regulation Boosts Professional Investor Interest in Cryptocurrencies

In it, the majority of retail investors support the regulation of the crypto sector, believing that this will benefit the industry. 65% of retail investors and 56% of professional investors support regulation.

In general, the trend towards a fully controlled crypto market in general, and bitcoin in particular, has been going on for quite some time. Every year the word KYC ceases to cause some kind of rejection and resentment. More and more crypto users are beginning to see this as normal... and even necessary, despite the fact that regulation, KYC, and centralization are against the foundations of cryptocurrencies.

I have repeatedly, participating in such discussions, written that the regulation of bitcoin and KYC is the reverse side of the success of both bitcoin and the entire industry. After we have seen the explosion of adoption and the emergence of cryptocurrencies in the everyday life of many people, this is starting to attract more and more attention from governments, bankers and regulators. If earlier they said that bitcoin is a bubble, bitcoin is used for drug trafficking and fraud, they tried to prohibit and limit it, now the course is set for regulation and centralized control.

Weird things are starting to appear in cryptocurrencies, such as reversible transactions, specifying the KYC of the sender and recipient when making a transaction, attempts to transfer bitcoin to PoS for spurious reasons, etc. A little more time will pass (3,5,7 years, who knows) and KYC (centralization) will already be perceived as the basis for working with bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. The concept of cryptocurrencies is no centralization, no KYC, everything is anonymous and without third parties. But at the same time, without regulation, a huge number of scams and scammers appear, many exchanges manipulate prices with impunity. How to find a balance between regulation and the fundamentals of cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin) and is it possible? What will the industry look like in 10 years in terms of regulation and KYC?

A number of good points, but as much as regulation and centralization processes progress, there will also be new technologies underway that might force even governments to start thinking a different way. The reason I bring this thought up is because the legalization of Cannabis has some similarities. When you over-regulate (at max prohibit) an industry or system, ways are going to be found to circumvent these regulations or right out violate them. With drugs the problem was that enforcement wasn't effective because of the sheer number of cases that would have to be pursued.

When Bitcoin fully finds its way into peoples' daily lives and builds its own parallel economy, governments might also be forced into the direction of making compromises. Bitcoin could indeed derive its value from a grey area economy even if it is over-regulated.

They are now going to slow down adoption by a lot by publishing all these assumptions and suggestions regarding horrible regulation. The KYCing of sender and receiver is indeed outrageous. They said in the EU that you soon need to KYC any address that sends crypto to your exchange account address. But that comes with lots of bureaucracy as well not only on behalf of the exchanges, but also on behalf of the government and more precisely the judicial system when it comes to arbitration in edge cases.

Interesting times ahead of us and I hope that time also plays into our cards in the way that more and more politicians from the Stone Age retire and a younger, more digital and technology affine generation has a say. 
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October 26, 2022, 11:51:43 AM
#22
So far, they've been busy looking for ways to control people using cryptocurrencies and forcing cryptocurrencies to get into centralized systems.

But at the same time, without regulation, a huge number of scams and scammers appear, many exchanges manipulate prices with impunity. How to find a balance between regulation and the fundamentals of cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin) and is it possible?
If they want the "cake", they should legalize all cryptocurrencies (but not shitcoins) and then make rules for marketplaces and all business platforms that use cryptocurrency, so fraud can be resisted instead of regulating how cryptocurrency (Bitcoin) is used.
But it would be hard to happen because they really want to control everything. Decentralised and centralised will never match forever.

What will the industry look like in 10 years in terms of regulation and KYC?
The years to come will be the same as now, full of debate, and new regulations will be made to suppress cryptocurrencies. I think that's one of the reasons why CBDCs were created.
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