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NeuroticFish

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 19, 2023, 03:46:25 AM

And even if they Merit him, he'll end up tagged like Mitch212, and still nothing is lost.

As Dave said, if he has bad intentions, he may merit (sooner or later) another of his alts and, if done after months, such a move would go under the radar. That could potentially be bad. But not many have the patience to go that slow that far, so I don't know...

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on January 19, 2023, 03:20:15 AM

As long as people are careful and don't just throw merits, nothing is lost.

And even if they Merit him, he'll end up tagged like Mitch212, and still nothing is lost.
The reason I only left Mitch212 neutral feedback, and only after 2 months, is because I didn't consider it serious enough compared to scammers who actually stole money.

And I always remember eddie13's post, on how destructive it is to enforce regulation on Newbies because of something they might do:

Quote from: eddie13 on August 05, 2021, 07:30:31 PM

Should never have put the temporary illusion of safety above personal liberty..
ie tagging and chasing away “likely scammers” and crushing the unique economic dynamic of account sales..

This forum started acting like protecting idiots is more important than letting users express their free wills..

How many countless good and intelligent users have been chased away because they “might” scam..

A new startup can’t come here and start a signature campaign for example without completely being bullied into “trusting” some escrow they have probably never heard of, so heaven forbid they couldn’t possibly scam some users willing to take the risk..

A new user can hardly post anything for sale here without being bullied into some 3rd party “idiot protection” scheme because OMG they might try to scam you..

A new user here can’t start lending on any sort of collateral because holy shot they might scam the collateral..

All new economics here CRUSHED by regulatory bullying in the name of “protecting idiots”...

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Quote from: Symmetrick on January 18, 2023, 02:36:01 PM

Because Mitch212 didn't deliver on their promises to give out a prize to the winner

I didn't do research on account's background and possible links, but I had the impression the owner knows the drill and he's fishing for merits.
That's why I've decided that unlike most of the free raffles I see or participate, where I give merits to the OP because of his gesture, here I didn't; I'll wait and see how everything develops and then decide if merit is in order or not.

As Loyce said, we've seen all kinds of newbies and all kinds of raffles. It's too early to make too big of a deal of all this; we'll see in less than a week.
As long as people are careful and don't just throw merits, nothing is lost.

Coyster

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Well even if Rbah doesn't pay the winning participant in the raffle/giveaway, then nobody technically lost anything because nobody was asked to do anything except to post their Bitcoin address in the thread. One could be worried if it were to be the normal giveaway scam that entails giving and taking, but since it isn't, we just basically have to wait until 24th and see what happens. whatever Rbah's motive is (in terms of either merit or trust), as long as they aren't breaking any rules, there isn't any problem then.

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Quote from: JollyGood on January 18, 2023, 03:34:45 PM

I found it odd especially as the number of forum members jumped on to participate without asking any questions.

Asking questions (such as "escrow?") only discourages Newbies. I've seen genuine giveaways, and I've seen fakes. If it's real, it deserves Merit because it's worth reading. The fact that it only earned 1 Merit already shows people have their doubts. If it's fake, we'll see soon enough and nothing is lost.

JollyGood

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No, it is not a cynical view at all. We all are entitled to our opinions and they are based on what we see and/or gut feelings.

Apparently he claims to be active on other forums and is known for giving money away. His suggested method to select a winner was using a roll of the wheel though he said he could ask a trusted member to do it. I think both options would not be transparent. Maybe this will turn out all fine or maybe it will not, time will tell.

Quote from: DaveF on January 18, 2023, 03:44:00 PM

One of his alts that we don't know about will win. What else did you think was going to happen. Trying to build trust and / or merit.

That do it a few times and people see him paying out gets some trust and / or merit then the scamming begins.

Or is that to cynical?

-Dave

CoinEraser

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Really hard to tell if the giveaway is legit or not. I'm not sure either. That's why I haven't given merit yet. In november last year there was a $25 giveaway from a new user and the win was paid out, see here. So all we can really do is wait and see what will happen. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: JollyGood on January 18, 2023, 03:34:45 PM

I remember seeing the post from that user and I did have some reservations about it at the time as it was from a newbie.

I found it odd especially as the number of forum members jumped on to participate without asking any questions. In the end we have to wait to see what happens on or around 24th January when he claims he will pay the money.

One of his alts that we don't know about will win. What else did you think was going to happen. Trying to build trust and / or merit.

That do it a few times and people see him paying out gets some trust and / or merit then the scamming begins.

Or is that to cynical?

-Dave

JollyGood

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I remember seeing the post from that user and I did have some reservations about it at the time as it was from a newbie.

I found it odd especially as the number of forum members jumped on to participate without asking any questions. In the end we have to wait to see what happens on or around 24th January when he claims he will pay the money.

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