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HeliKopterBen

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on July 01, 2014, 05:09:10 PM

Quote from: HeliKopterBen on July 01, 2014, 05:02:07 PM

If bitcoin is not anonymous, someone should be able to find out who the coins went to through blockchain analysis, right? I'm thinking it won't happen.

Blockchain analysis only tells you what address they went to.

You'll need the receiver (or the sender) to release additional information if you want to know who controls that address.

I think you missed my point. With all the claims of bitcoin not being anonymous or private, then someone should be able to find out who won the auction, right. It appears to me that anonymity and privacy can be achieved just fine with bitcoin. I don't see the need for all these alts claiming better privacy.

DannyHamilton

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Quote from: franky1 on July 01, 2014, 05:36:42 PM

for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

That's just silly.

The people who have always wanted bitcoins to be anonymous have no interest in knowing who owns these specific coins, and don't care about the financial info of those private citizens.

There may be some interest in the exchange rate that was paid for these bitcoins, but that has more to do with price discovery than violating someone's privacy.

The government exchanged bitcoins that all citizens collectively own (since the government represents the citizens) for some quantity of U.S. currency. In the interest of transparency in government as well as identifying the current market price of bitcoins, this seems like reasonable information to reveal. If the buyer doesn't want the public to know how much U.S. currency was exchanged for the bitcoins, then they shouldn't be exchanging with a public entity such as a national government.

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Quote from: franky1 on July 01, 2014, 05:36:42 PM

for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

Don't confuse gossip/meddle with...HISTORY! Grin

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The winner was Kim DotCom

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Quote from: BanksWorstFear on July 01, 2014, 05:49:35 PM

Here's the address with the U.S. Marshals auctioned bitcoins on block explorer, if Blockchain.info is DOWN

http://blockexplorer.com/address/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

If u dont like the blockcexplorer.com GUI, here is a list of other explorer to monitor the SR auction winner's address...

1. http://blockr.io/address/info/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

2. https://helloblock.io/addresses/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

3. https://www.biteasy.com/blockchain/addresses/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

4. https://chain.so/address/BTC/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

5. https://bkchain.org/btc/address/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

BanksWorstFear

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Here's the address with the U.S. Marshals auctioned bitcoins on block explorer, if Blockchain.info is DOWN

http://blockexplorer.com/address/1a8LDh3qtCdMFAgRXzMrdvB8w1EG4h1Xi

beetcoin

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it's kind of like teabaggers who complain about government subsidies and then, in turn, receive their medicare and farm subsidies. people want the right thing, unless it doesn't benefit them. people are just assholes.

Mined

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Quote from: franky1 on July 01, 2014, 05:36:42 PM

for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

Definite +1 here. What happened to privacy being desirable?

newIndia

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Quote from: franky1 on July 01, 2014, 05:36:42 PM

for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

u just figured out the public psychology. they want to stay anonymous, but want to unmask everyone else Wink

beetcoin

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Quote from: franky1 on July 01, 2014, 05:36:42 PM

for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

it's the reason why i think the majority of bitcoiners are in it for themselves, even though some may say "we just want a better world." wanting wealth for yourself is just human nature.

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for 5 years everyone was shouting out to the government that bitcoins should stay anonymous,

for decades everyone was shouting out that the government should not hand out private info of citizens financials /private life...

...
now everyone wants to know who owns specific bitcoins and wants government to release financial info of private citizens...

DannyHamilton

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Quote from: cryptid1 on July 01, 2014, 05:23:37 PM

Really seems that the two biggest - that I know about - bidders was outbid on Monday: so the hypothesis of one whale-bidder gain traction!

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(Reuters) - SecondMarket and U.S. investment firm Pantera Capital, two of the more prominent bidders in the U.S. Marshals bitcoin auction, on Monday said they were outbid in their attempts to buy some of the nearly 30,000 coins sold late last week.

Source

Perhaps Patrick M. Byrne?

cryptid1

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Really seems that the two biggest - that I know about - bidders was outbid on Monday: so the hypothesis of one whale-bidder gain traction!

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(Reuters) - SecondMarket and U.S. investment firm Pantera Capital, two of the more prominent bidders in the U.S. Marshals bitcoin auction, on Monday said they were outbid in their attempts to buy some of the nearly 30,000 coins sold late last week.

Source

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Quote from: HeliKopterBen on July 01, 2014, 05:02:07 PM

If bitcoin is not anonymous, someone should be able to find out who the coins went to through blockchain analysis, right? I'm thinking it won't happen.

Blockchain analysis only tells you what address they went to.

You'll need the receiver (or the sender) to release additional information if you want to know who controls that address.

HeliKopterBen

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If bitcoin is not anonymous, someone should be able to find out who the coins went to through blockchain analysis, right? I'm thinking it won't happen.

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Do they release the name of the winner? Or do they not plan to?

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Quote from: DannyElfman on July 01, 2014, 04:51:53 PM

Quote from: Ivanhoe on July 01, 2014, 04:35:10 PM

Quote from: odolvlobo on July 01, 2014, 04:18:09 PM

The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent as change. Why did the FBI only sell 29656 of the 29658 BTC?

That's the amount they received as spam. Just look at the incoming transactions of the FBI adress Wink

LOL they received $1,400 worth of spam beggers!

So, they did not auction spam ? I thought they paid to the auctioneer Wink

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Quote from: Ivanhoe on July 01, 2014, 04:35:10 PM

Quote from: odolvlobo on July 01, 2014, 04:18:09 PM

The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent as change. Why did the FBI only sell 29656 of the 29658 BTC?

That's the amount they received as spam. Just look at the incoming transactions of the FBI adress Wink

LOL they received $1,400 worth of spam beggers!

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Quote from: odolvlobo on July 01, 2014, 04:18:09 PM

The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent as change. Why did the FBI only sell 29656 of the 29658 BTC?

That's the amount they received as spam. Just look at the incoming transactions of the FBI adress Wink

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Quote from: odolvlobo on July 01, 2014, 04:18:09 PM

The odd thing is that 2.28533471 BTC were sent elsewhere (as change I assume).

The Marshals Service offered for auction 29,656.51306529 bitcoins.

The address (1Ez69SnzzmePmZX3WpEzMKTrcBF2gpNQ55) that received the "Silk Road Seized Bitcoins" on 2014-06-12 had received a single output of 29,658.7984 bitcoins when they consolidated all the balances.

29,658.7984 - 29,656.51306529 = 2.28533471 BTC

Not sure why they didn't offer ALL 29,658.7984 BTC for auction, but it looks like they are separating the "auctioned" bitcoins into a separate output from the remaining bitcoins that weren't auctioned.

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