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hero member
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April 20, 2012, 08:12:02 PM
Ah crap, I was so used to "normal" time... Lips sealed

Time to eliminate DST here as well, even Russia managed!
I live in Indiana (of USA), we didn't have DST until a few years ago.  Stupid governor.  In my experience (with non techie people) most American's that have had it their whole lives don't understand it.
legendary
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April 20, 2012, 08:04:42 PM
Ah crap, I was so used to "normal" time... Lips sealed

Time to eliminate DST here as well, even Russia managed!
hero member
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April 20, 2012, 08:02:33 PM
10 seconds to go... Wink
or an hour...  Why, oh why, can't anyone understand UTC and DST?  (no offense to you, Sukrim, and for the record, I HATE DST)
legendary
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April 20, 2012, 08:00:04 PM
10 seconds to go... Wink
hero member
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Ad astra.
April 20, 2012, 06:35:19 PM
I have never thought it needed before for anyone but can this guy get banned? Spamming every thread is over the top.

This forum has generally upheld a policy of leniency on bans, I don't think this is severe enough.

MPOE, with that said, please have at least some slight bit of decency. Your thread is near the top, everyone can see it just fine. Please refrain from filling other threads with spam and slander.
sr. member
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April 20, 2012, 01:58:50 PM
+1. Delete please!
hero member
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April 20, 2012, 01:56:53 PM
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I have never thought it needed before for anyone but can this guy get banned? Spamming every thread is over the top.

Hey, if at any point you don't feel like you're too busy posting here, you might maybe update that site of yours. Maybe with rig pictures or something. GL.
legendary
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April 20, 2012, 12:50:25 PM
I'm incredibly confused by this MPOE offering. Will they be trading in the actual shares of PPT.A, do they have a similar arrangement with Pirate, or is it simply a bond with terms that are basically identical to what PPT is offering?
Just a favor, ask in his thread about his "synthetic" offering.  Thanks!
Alright, I think I have my answer anyway. The synthetic offering has nothing at all to do with PPT and the -PR posting here is pure threadcrapping.

Back on topic. Smiley
legendary
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April 20, 2012, 12:40:29 PM
I'm incredibly confused by this MPOE offering. Will they be trading in the actual shares of PPT.A, do they have a similar arrangement with Pirate, or is it simply a bond with terms that are basically identical to what PPT is offering?
legendary
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April 20, 2012, 12:18:29 PM
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Wow, GLBSE surely now gets Bitcoins coming in like a medium sized exchange!

2231 valid bids, 2300.4182609 BTC in valid bids, average bid 1.031, 1500 shares end at 1.012 per share. Bids lower than that would currently not get filled (and there is a crazy amount of high bids already - the upper 1/3 of currently winning bids is above 1.06)

There are more bids in here than MtGox exchanged in BTC <--> EUR in the last 24h (~1600 BTC)!

I guess, I'll just take my chances next week and hope for a lower price when the excitement might have cooled down a bit...

Or alternatively, buy @70-80 cents to the dollar (and thus make 70% at the end of the month).

Not to mention 4.7 kBTC actual volume > 2.3 kBTC of "maybe" volume.


I wonder if a mod would remove this off topic spam from our thread.

MPOE-Pretty Rude you are doing a great job at getting people mad at you. 

I have never thought it needed before for anyone but can this guy get banned? Spamming every thread is over the top.

And "she" lives in a supermarket. Just go check the address in the whois of the polimedia.us domain name...

Funny as hell, "she" was saying that Namworld, who is fully Nefario VerifiedTM and even has a registered company in Canada, which he gave the name and registration number for people to check, should have OTC ratings for people to trust him...
hero member
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April 20, 2012, 08:39:07 AM
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Wow, GLBSE surely now gets Bitcoins coming in like a medium sized exchange!

2231 valid bids, 2300.4182609 BTC in valid bids, average bid 1.031, 1500 shares end at 1.012 per share. Bids lower than that would currently not get filled (and there is a crazy amount of high bids already - the upper 1/3 of currently winning bids is above 1.06)

There are more bids in here than MtGox exchanged in BTC <--> EUR in the last 24h (~1600 BTC)!

I guess, I'll just take my chances next week and hope for a lower price when the excitement might have cooled down a bit...

Or alternatively, buy @70-80 cents to the dollar (and thus make 70% at the end of the month).

Not to mention 4.7 kBTC actual volume > 2.3 kBTC of "maybe" volume.
legendary
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April 20, 2012, 08:34:04 AM
GLBSE gives priority to earlier orders if they are at the same value.

Let's say bit for 1 share is the oldest, 10 second oldest, then 9 and 100:
1 gets sold it's 1 share, 10 gets sold 10 shares, 9 gets it's 9 shares and the 100 bid the remaining 30 and has an open bid for 70 shares left, rest (lower) gets nothing of course.
sr. member
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April 20, 2012, 08:31:11 AM
The minimum bid is now 1.02 BTC and less than 13 hours to go.

How will you (or glbse) determine priority for competing bids at the same price level?  e.g. right now I see @1.02 btc (in order from top to bottom on the page) four bids for quantities 10, 9, 1, and 100 shares.  For the sake of discussion let's say the line ends up at 1.02, but there are only 50 shares left to sell at that price.  How would they be allocated among those 4 bids?

hero member
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April 20, 2012, 04:17:23 AM
Wow, GLBSE surely now gets Bitcoins coming in like a medium sized exchange! Shocked

2231 valid bids, 2300.4182609 BTC in valid bids, average bid 1.031, 1500 shares end at 1.012 per share. Bids lower than that would currently not get filled (and there is a crazy amount of high bids already - the upper 1/3 of currently winning bids is above 1.06)

There are more bids in here than MtGox exchanged in BTC <--> EUR in the last 24h (~1600 BTC)!

I guess, I'll just take my chances next week and hope for a lower price when the excitement might have cooled down a bit...

Hi Sukrim,

There is the possibility that the hype will grow as people see 20%+ returns being made on small deposits/purchases.  From an issuer point of view, it is encouraging, and there is a bit of learning and track-record to establish as well.  So overall, it's looking like a good result for both sides.  I also note the volume is something to watch - investing or providing returns to 6k-8k or coins on top of everything else going on raises a different set of issues, but that's one of the interesting aspects of the bitcoin economy.

For interest, I've been tracking the bids across the day.  The 1500 issue now cuts across at 1.011 with 731 that will not get filled  (406 of bids at 1.01).  For me, I'll check again when I wake up, but I'm sure others will be looking closely at it as the close-off gets closer.

Patrick
legendary
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April 20, 2012, 03:37:38 AM
Wow, GLBSE surely now gets Bitcoins coming in like a medium sized exchange! Shocked

2231 valid bids, 2300.4182609 BTC in valid bids, average bid 1.031, 1500 shares end at 1.012 per share. Bids lower than that would currently not get filled (and there is a crazy amount of high bids already - the upper 1/3 of currently winning bids is above 1.06)

There are more bids in here than MtGox exchanged in BTC <--> EUR in the last 24h (~1600 BTC)!

I guess, I'll just take my chances next week and hope for a lower price when the excitement might have cooled down a bit...
hero member
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April 19, 2012, 10:09:02 PM
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This 2% is not quite true.  PPT is getting more than 2% as they are putting up .32 BTC and receiving 7% on 1 BTC compounded weekly, so that is really a 9.375% return.  This does not include any instant return if shares sell for more than 1.0 BTC.  Money in hand now is better than later.

The point wasn't in the exact numbers the point is that our "greediness" will be temperred by the market's (your) "greediness"

I get the point, I just didn't want people to think PPT is unprofitable for the issuers as that would not be good.

roflmao
hero member
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April 19, 2012, 10:05:04 PM
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This 2% is not quite true.  PPT is getting more than 2% as they are putting up .32 BTC and receiving 7% on 1 BTC compounded weekly, so that is really a 9.375% return.  This does not include any instant return if shares sell for more than 1.0 BTC.  Money in hand now is better than later.

The point wasn't in the exact numbers the point is that our "greediness" will be temperred by the market's (your) "greediness"

I get the point, I just didn't want people to think PPT is unprofitable for the issuers as that would not be good.
hero member
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April 19, 2012, 10:04:20 PM
As for screwing up other people's deposits, current information is that it is not very likely.  Would you prefer that as a separate exercise I dump more coins into Pirate's scheme directly?


Yes, I would. But you're clearly not going to do that. You'll instead use money from others for it and won't risk your money.

About the net loss: You can throw sand at my eyes all you want, but rest assured you won't blind me Wink



Actually, I am risking my own money - that's what the insurance fund is for.  I could easily lose (and expect to at some stage) drop 500 coins in insurance payouts if/when pirate defaults.  However, I would prefer that it gets unwound nicely and I don't lose 500 coins in this.  I am in it for some profit and it is a good idea making one of the more lucrative schemes available to those who currently do not have access.  On that basis, it's a good idea, and one people could easily replicate (low barrier to entry).

Picking up stochastic's points:
Certainly PPT is solvent and can easily meet its obligations - currently we are over-secured (even with tomorrows bond sale)

And also yes the gain is higher than 2% because of the compounding, (but not on the 0.32 that we are putting up - that cannot be invested).  As mentioned elsewhere, 1BTC invested for four periods is 1.31 and we're paying 1.28.  So 3% plus any premium.
legendary
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April 19, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
Yes, we added one more founder.  He was on the fence when we first proposed this to him and first posted to the forum.  After a while he came around and bought his share.   Note that in addition to the 25% we have now also taken on the entire risk of changes to rate from BS&T etc.

EDIT:  So, in fact we have reduced the bondholders risk over the time we have been working things out.

OK, clear. And true.

BTW, from the bottom of my heart I wish you guys(and the ones who invest in your fund) are profitable, and you know why Cheesy

Also, stochastic, ROFL at the 75% unhappy Grin
hero member
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April 19, 2012, 10:00:01 PM
I thought the main PPT is only used as "bank" for the insurances, not paying out the earnings from PPT.X auctions? Why would you buy shares at 100 BTC each there that are only used to be distributed in case of pirate's default?

If anything you should be glad that there are people willing to invest and by doing that secure more than the 25% default insurance.


I am only 25% glad.

You are not more glad because they don't want to sell those 100 BTC shares to reduce risk, hence reducing their profits also.

I have to say I was joking about the 25% glad party, I meant to say is I am 75% unhappy.  Kidding aside I think what PPT is doing is great.  One of the great tools of bitcoin is being able to make small and quick investments.
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