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There was once a small group of families - 20 families - living in the countryside, in a free area without any nation (perhaps before the world became so populated). They were all friends, and voluntarily helped each other with whatever the needs of the others were.

Then a small group of crooks got together, and started robbing (thieving, stealing from the others, individually, when there was nobody around to help.

So, the families joined together in a group and formed an almost-government to take care of punishing the thieves. This worked well.

A couple of shrewder people saw how they could gain property - it might take a long time - by promoting the almost-government to become a permanent thing. Because it had worked so well in the past, the people decided to make the government permanent.

The shrewd crooks in government (because that is really what they were) secretly formed a second government...a government of thieves... to carry out a war against the good government.

Now we have the nations of the world, all there to protect their citizens from the other governments of the world, and all of them interacting with the other governments of the world.


The only way a nation will ever have peace and prosperity is if their citizens willingly follow the best civil laws around. The best laws are the civil laws found in Exodus and Deuteronomy in the Bible... and especially in the Ten Commandments.



Next...

Monty Python - Constitutional Peasants Scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2c-X8HiBng

What exactly do you mean by US remaining "independent"? Isolationalist?

I don't think that's possible anymore. America created the system, it can't just walk away. The only alternative is to leave it at the hands of some other nation, like China. An you all know how that could end.

sure just work for "global Coin" ICO then

the more significant statement of people is not, for which party they vote, what stuff they describe as being fans in their facebook accounts.

but for whose money they work.

regards

The USA does not exist in a vacuum.

The whole notion of a "nation" is an ancient tribal relic.  Words and images on paper.  That is about it.

We'll need global governance sooner rather than later.  Especially when we finally leave this rock.

If you disagree, you need to travel more.

I think what we are seeing in the world is that the economy increasingly transcends borders. We hear a lot about globalisation, and we do live in a globalised world, effectively run by huge multinational companies. A downside to having individual nations is that these companies are free to pick and choose in which jurisdictions they base themselves, to take advantage of differing tax laws and legislative climates.

We also have increasing inequality, which leads to a generalised sense of disempowerment and disenfranchisement, which helps to foster secessionist movements everywhere, be it the Basque region from Spain, Scotland from the UK, Texas from US, etc.

So my position is that the point is moot. I don't believe that nations run everything any more. We are even seeing private enterprise breaking into traditionally national sectors like space exploration. We already have private security forces, and I don't think it's a stretch to see this extending to private armies. Arguably the US/UK forces in the Gulf Wars were proxy armies for the oil industry.

I would argue that the US is no longer independent, no nation is independent. People are pushing back against the concept of nations in the hope of reacquiring their lost power, but it's not nations they should be pushing against, it's corporations.

I think the real question people should be asking is, what is the alternative? China taking that role? Do you really believe that would be an improvement?

The US government imposes its laws onto much of the rest of the world. Other countries are technically sovereign, but the US doesn’t give them complete freedom.

This is not entirely bad, for example the US government is putting pressure on the Venezuela government to restore democracy and put an end to human rights abuses. Ditto during the Cold War when the US was trying to stop the spread of communism.

I am for the independence of individuals.

self voting
self money creation (i do it on my farm, but trade it for a $cam, I AM A SLAVE) I mean everyone makes the money supply at a fair rate, unless enterprising.
self beliefs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fArgCaFb1c Bobby Kennedy's Speech for Humanity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o63R3-cpraw WE ARE NOT MACHINE MEN, Greatest Speech Ever

The power they took from the people, will return to the people!
THE OPPRESSORS ALWAYS BECOME THE OPPRESSED! THEN THE OPPRESSORS ALWAYS BECOME THE OPPRESSED! (I HAVE A WAY TO STOP THIS CHAIN OF SHIT)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/time-fiat-bitcoin-gold-5151153  TIME MONEY, EVERYONE MAKING IT FAIRLY
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-20-attention-all-alt-coin-devs-unite-if-you-are-willing-5141142  HOW TO MAKE IT LEGIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7TLFyK_3Pk THE ENDING OF BITCOIN, FIAT AND GOLD

I agree we are unique. Still a model for freedom and justice in an imperfect world.

I must confess that I could not even comprehend this question.

Should we be independent?
We are independent.
This is what, how, and why this country was born!...to show other people that they can become independent as well.
The U.N. is already in place so we can pick up and continue there.

I love to travel. I love different cultures and would be willing to live in any country,  for a time, just for the adventure and education of it. It's an opportunity to have a whole new family experience.
I believe nothing makes you wiser, kinder, or more compassionate and understanding, than living in another culture, for awhile.

Even with all the craziness that it going on right now, America is still the greatest. My heart swells with love and gratitude everytime I come back home. I love the way Americans are so casual and good natured.
There is something here, you can feel it.
We live and breathe freedom. 

And you can also feel it in a country when it's not there.

The first time I went to Europe I remember was struck by the posture of people as they walked, it was totally different. And because of the contrast I could spot an American way down the street, just by the way they walked.

England brought their old views to these shores and for what ever reasons, which I feel are spiritual, it wasn't long before before we could not stomach that idea of a king to rule over us.
We definitely will be of more use to the world by staying strong and independent, and always being that example of freedom.

 

Personally I am against, and I have to state that I am not an American citizen.
Right now, the United States of America are powerful all together. If they be separated then they will lose their strength and more problems than those who exist now will start to occur.

For all its pros or cons, I'm totally for and support the independence of the United States of America.

Every country and its citizens deserve freedom and to have their own government.

Annexing US and making it drown into a "world government" would do no benefit to rest of the world. The US Constitution itself is better than most other countries laws and the international laws. It guarantees its citizens all fundamental rights that even the "world government" wouldn't be able to provide.

Sure, the US government did some horrible stuffs (and many good stuffs) and have interfered with many other nations, but that doesn't mean the US would have to face the same fate. That's like a revenge kind of sense.

Also, it's not decentralization if we put the US into a world government, since as long as there's a "government", there's centralization

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