$1 Billion Science Fund to Use Blockchain Projects to Extend Human Lifespan

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 02, 2021, 05:47:59 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2021, 05:42:35 AM

Then were those tokens LISTED in an exchange where their value can be manipulated, pumped and dumped, up and down to make the whale-cumulators rich? No, because it’s not the same “blockchain tokens” that shitcoins scammers shill, and our fellow plebs like to gamble on.

Are you sure you've understood my posts?!
The dumping part I have been talking about was in the ICO era. That was in 2017. And many of those ICOs were sold on their own website, most probably there were many that didn't get to exchanges and I am not convinced that all have implemented anything more than the website.

YES. Those “tokens” from the ICO era were issued from thin air, with a “valuation” that the creators drew out of thin air, were I believe, themselves a form of dumping/developers taking advantage of getting the investment first before building the project. It wasn’t the same model in Silicon Valley when the developers built an MVP, show it works, then collect some investment from VCs.

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Quote from: davis196 on November 02, 2021, 06:48:24 AM

I appreciate the fact that blockchain technology is being used for scientific purposes(even though there's some kind of altcoin/token that is going to be issued).
But!I hate the whole idea of increasing the longevity of life.There's something wrong with that idea.
If you have an already shitty life,making that life longer doesn't add anything.
I prefer 60 years of a shitty life,rather than 120 years of the same shitty life.
It's the quality of life that matters the most,not the longevity of life.
I can't imagine retiring at the age of 65 and living 60 additional years as an old,disabled and probably lonely man.That would be a complete hell.

I am not sure if I agree with that. I rather have 120 year span so that I have a small chance to get my life better. Longevity means that your 120 year old will not be today's 120 years old, it would be probably like 80-90 years old type of person but 120 on paper, or 100 year old person being like 70-80 year old people. That is the important part.

If you are still healthy and doing something at 100, then you still have 10-20 years at least that you could have a good life. If it ends up all being shitty 120 years then it would be horrible but I rather have 120 years shitty life chance with 20-30 years of greatness, instead of only 60 years of shitty life. Every day is another day and we could have something amazing suddenly.

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Quote from: oHnK on October 29, 2021, 10:34:02 AM

Maybe I'm too stupid to not be able to believe in research that can extend or reduce a person's life. Basically, because of religious doctrines that are passed down from parents, I only believe that God has set our age from birth. But I still appreciate people's efforts in conducting research and if it is related to blockchain in terms of facilities in carrying out research then it is a common thing. Because blockchain is probably the fastest way to collectively globally.

I personally believe that the blockchain system will be very useful for humans if it is used in every aspect of life, and of course by adopting the blockchain system it will certainly make it easier for humans to carry out medical research, besides that, blockchain implementation will be beneficial for every medical patient, so that medical records will be well preserved, eternal, and safe. But to be honest, to prolong one's life is an impossible thing for humans to do because the life and death of a person is the power of God and no one can avoid his death even for just one second.

In the Qur'an God has said:

"And Allah will not delay (death) a person when the time of his death has come. And Allah is All-Aware of what you do."

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Quote from: Hydrogen on October 29, 2021, 10:42:23 AM

Quote from: oHnK on October 29, 2021, 10:34:02 AM

because of religious doctrines that are passed down from parents, I only believe that God has set our age from birth.

"And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died." -Genesis 9:29

"Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years." -Genesis 25:7

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There are old testament figures in the bible who lived to be 500 to 900 years old, if I'm remembering right.

This was criticized.

Until around 2005 when scientific research was published claiming the upper theoretical limit of human lifespan could be 500+ years old.

(This isn't the exact link I was looking for, but close enough):

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Could humans live to 500 years old? Scientists believe genetic tweaks could significantly extend our lifespan

Living to the ripe old age of 500 might be a possibility if the science shown to extend worms' lives can be applied to humans, scientists have said.

U.S. researchers tweaked two genetic pathways in the tiny lab worm Caenorhabditis elegans and boosted the creature's lifespan by a factor of five.

The research raises the prospect of anti-ageing treatments based on genetic interactions, they said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2523086/Could-humans-live-500-years-old-Scientists-believe-genetic-tweaks-significantly-extend-lifespan.html

I'm not remembering this perfectly. It was a long time ago. This topic has been on the table for a very long time. Without much interest.

Concerns relating to overpopulation should human life be extended have been an effective deterrent.

It's actually about living in a solid "bubble" or aka protective shields surrounding all living things both physically and spiritual.
No amount of DNA tweaking can make a living thing live so long if the bubble is weak. From experience, bubble helps protect people from getting sick, that could translate to living really old. But I don't want to live that old in this current world.

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I'm pretty sure I've seen other medical projects that use blockchain either for tokens or for storing medical data in encrypted form. So this is just one of the many. Whether it's promising or not in terms of research is a question that's separate to how successful its token will be, or how efficient the usage of blockchain is for this project. It's a lot of funding for an ambitious task, but it seems that they didn't need blockchain, honestly, but decided to include it to get more hype and perhaps some perks due to using something innovative.

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I appreciate the fact that blockchain technology is being used for scientific purposes(even though there's some kind of altcoin/token that is going to be issued).
But!I hate the whole idea of increasing the longevity of life.There's something wrong with that idea.
If you have an already shitty life,making that life longer doesn't add anything.
I prefer 60 years of a shitty life,rather than 120 years of the same shitty life.
It's the quality of life that matters the most,not the longevity of life.
I can't imagine retiring at the age of 65 and living 60 additional years as an old,disabled and probably lonely man.That would be a complete hell.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 02, 2021, 05:42:35 AM

Then were those tokens LISTED in an exchange where their value can be manipulated, pumped and dumped, up and down to make the whale-cumulators rich? No, because it’s not the same “blockchain tokens” that shitcoins scammers shill, and our fellow plebs like to gamble on.

Are you sure you've understood my posts?!
The dumping part I have been talking about was in the ICO era. That was in 2017. And many of those ICOs were sold on their own website, most probably there were many that didn't get to exchanges and I am not convinced that all have implemented anything more than the website.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on November 01, 2021, 08:12:08 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 01, 2021, 07:27:00 AM

Then can you give me an example of projects that had “those tokens” that used a database that was BEFORE Bitcoin, “blockchain technology”, and cryptocurrency exchanges?

Sure. All the pharmacies, and gas stations, and shops that had for you cards where you gathered reward points. Those were basically tokens in a database and you were able to exchange them back for "value" and buy something.
Lately supermarkets and credit cards also have that. I don't know which were introduced first though, in my country pharmacies and gas stations did it first.

Then were those tokens LISTED in an exchange where their value can be manipulated, pumped and dumped, up and down to make the whale-cumulators rich? No, because it’s not the same “blockchain tokens” that shitcoins scammers shill, and our fellow plebs like to gamble on.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on November 01, 2021, 07:27:00 AM

Then can you give me an example of projects that had “those tokens” that used a database that was BEFORE Bitcoin, “blockchain technology”, and cryptocurrency exchanges?

Sure. All the pharmacies, and gas stations, and shops that had for you cards where you gathered reward points. Those were basically tokens in a database and you were able to exchange them back for "value" and buy something.
Lately supermarkets and credit cards also have that. I don't know which were introduced first though, in my country pharmacies and gas stations did it first.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on October 30, 2021, 07:58:31 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 30, 2021, 05:50:48 AM

“blockchain technology”, really a stupid pleb-term

Indeed. I guess that it was made up by people who don't know what it is and it is also targeting the people who don't know what's all about. Typical buzz words.

Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 30, 2021, 05:50:48 AM

But can “those tokens” that were existing before “blockchain technology”, really a stupid pleb-term, be listed in exchanges then be sold, actually DUMPED, to US the plebs? What exchanges were there before “blockchain technology”?

In the past these exchanges weren't existing, so it's not a good comparison. But even nowadays, in the ICO era, there were "coins" that could be acquired only from their own website. So dumping onto plebs is still possible.

Then can you give me an example of projects that had “those tokens” that used a database that was BEFORE Bitcoin, “blockchain technology”, and cryptocurrency exchanges?

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But my initial point was that those buzz words were used in order to make things look advanced and complicated to be implemented so they can eat up investors' initial funds. I mean that with 5.1M funds at hand, [bJthey don't even need to dump tokens, they're are already set[/b].

Then there’s no need to list the tokens? Cool

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 30, 2021, 05:50:48 AM

“blockchain technology”, really a stupid pleb-term

Indeed. I guess that it was made up by people who don't know what it is and it is also targeting the people who don't know what's all about. Typical buzz words.

Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 30, 2021, 05:50:48 AM

But can “those tokens” that were existing before “blockchain technology”, really a stupid pleb-term, be listed in exchanges then be sold, actually DUMPED, to US the plebs? What exchanges were there before “blockchain technology”?

In the past these exchanges weren't existing, so it's not a good comparison. But even nowadays, in the ICO era, there were "coins" that could be acquired only from their own website. So dumping onto plebs is still possible.
But my initial point was that those buzz words were used in order to make things look advanced and complicated to be implemented so they can eat up investors' initial funds. I mean that with 5.1M funds at hand, they don't even need to dump tokens, they're are already set.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on October 29, 2021, 07:17:39 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 29, 2021, 06:51:35 AM

Because if their developers don’t use “a blockchain” or what they call “blockchain technology”, how would they issue their own shittokens to “private investors”, and for those investors to “sell” them to the people, scamming them? Cool

Tokens were existing - in a way or another - even before blockchain.
And they can be issued and used easily even with a normal DB.
Of course, they become suddenly top technology if blockchain buzz word is used Cheesy

But can “those tokens” that were existing before “blockchain technology”, really a stupid pleb-term, be listed in exchanges then be sold, actually DUMPED, to US the plebs? What exchanges were there before “blockchain technology”?

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Quote from: stompix on October 28, 2021, 07:03:28 PM

The usual simple questions, why would you need a token, why would you need a blockchain for this?

If memory serves you, you may remember that OP is quite fascinated by the idea that everything (or most things) in the world can be solved by inventing a token for each individual problem - world hunger = food token, drinking water problem = water token...
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The average Joe may never get a chance to live 120 years thanks to some research, and I honestly don’t understand why people are so obsessed with living so long - we better focus on how to enable all people to have at least one meal every day, and medicine for diseases like malaria, tuberculosis, and diseases that have almost disappeared in developed countries and still take a lot of lives in developing countries.

I promise the next time I will stick to
"why god, why god this again!?!?!?!" Grin

As for the 120 years, it depends a lot on how you're going to live to that age.
If at 90 you'll be like somebody that is now at 55-60, yeah it might make a bit of sense, if it will just prolonging your life and you're going to have 40 years of living with all the problems really old age brings, unable to move around freely, unable to eat 99% of the food out there, poor eyesight and others then this will not be beneficial, it will be a curse.

Quote from: Hydrogen on October 29, 2021, 09:44:30 AM

Another angle:
Fecal transplantation (poop transplant intended to grant people a healthier gastrointestinal micro biome) is a procedure which is gaining prominence atm:

Oh crap, we're tokenizing shit now! Wink

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Quote from: oHnK on October 29, 2021, 10:34:02 AM

because of religious doctrines that are passed down from parents, I only believe that God has set our age from birth.

"And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died." -Genesis 9:29

"Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years." -Genesis 25:7

....

There are old testament figures in the bible who lived to be 500 to 900 years old, if I'm remembering right.

This was criticized.

Until around 2005 when scientific research was published claiming the upper theoretical limit of human lifespan could be 500+ years old.

(This isn't the exact link I was looking for, but close enough):

Quote

Could humans live to 500 years old? Scientists believe genetic tweaks could significantly extend our lifespan

Living to the ripe old age of 500 might be a possibility if the science shown to extend worms' lives can be applied to humans, scientists have said.

U.S. researchers tweaked two genetic pathways in the tiny lab worm Caenorhabditis elegans and boosted the creature's lifespan by a factor of five.

The research raises the prospect of anti-ageing treatments based on genetic interactions, they said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2523086/Could-humans-live-500-years-old-Scientists-believe-genetic-tweaks-significantly-extend-lifespan.html

I'm not remembering this perfectly. It was a long time ago. This topic has been on the table for a very long time. Without much interest.

Concerns relating to overpopulation should human life be extended have been an effective deterrent.

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Maybe I'm too stupid to not be able to believe in research that can extend or reduce a person's life. Basically, because of religious doctrines that are passed down from parents, I only believe that God has set our age from birth. But I still appreciate people's efforts in conducting research and if it is related to blockchain in terms of facilities in carrying out research then it is a common thing. Because blockchain is probably the fastest way to collectively globally.

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I'll try to explain. Why I think this research could have potential.

Everyone knows identical twins have identical DNA and are clones of each other, as far as genetics go.

But can anyone explain how one identical twin might develop an illness like cancer, while the other identical twin does not?

The answer comes down to epigenetics:

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The second way is by exploiting some of the features of blockchain technology such as security and storage of data, which is most relevant to the application of personalised or precision medicine whereby patient information such as genetics, blood profile data, microbiome assessments, epigenetic methylation, and sleep data could be transacted and analysed without risk of the patient data getting into the “wrong hands” and being exploited.

Epigenetic research is neglected and underfunded atm. Any research done in this area, has potential to greatly expand the knowledge base of modern medicine.

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Another angle:

Fecal transplantation (poop transplant intended to grant people a healthier gastrointestinal micro biome) is a procedure which is gaining prominence atm:

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The second way is by exploiting some of the features of blockchain technology such as security and storage of data, which is most relevant to the application of personalised or precision medicine whereby patient information such as genetics, blood profile data, microbiome assessments, epigenetic methylation, and sleep data could be transacted and analysed without risk of the patient data getting into the “wrong hands” and being exploited.

Human microbiome research is yet another neglected and underfunded area of modern medicine.

We know that the microbiome has underestimated effects on health and longevity. Unfortunately, there has not been enough research done in this area for us to have good data on it.

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Quote from: stompix on October 28, 2021, 07:03:28 PM

The usual simple questions, why would you need a token, why would you need a blockchain for this?

If memory serves you, you may remember that OP is quite fascinated by the idea that everything (or most things) in the world can be solved by inventing a token for each individual problem - world hunger = food token, drinking water problem = water token...

I may be wrong, but is there any such project at all that has successfully solved a problem, even at the local level? All I can say about medicine is that there are a lot of hypocrites out there who claim to work for the good of humanity, but the best and most effective medicaments are only available to the rich who can pay for them.

The average Joe may never get a chance to live 120 years thanks to some research, and I honestly don’t understand why people are so obsessed with living so long - we better focus on how to enable all people to have at least one meal every day, and medicine for diseases like malaria, tuberculosis, and diseases that have almost disappeared in developed countries and still take a lot of lives in developing countries.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 29, 2021, 06:51:35 AM

Because if their developers don’t use “a blockchain” or what they call “blockchain technology”, how would they issue their own shittokens to “private investors”, and for those investors to “sell” them to the people, scamming them? Cool

Tokens were existing - in a way or another - even before blockchain.
And they can be issued and used easily even with a normal DB.
Of course, they become suddenly top technology if blockchain buzz word is used Cheesy

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on October 26, 2021, 10:25:27 AM

It looks to me like a private blockchain. And if it's private, a database may be much better suited.

If I'm wrong and it's not a private blockchain, then what would be the incentives for nodes and miners to store and protect this data?

Also if it's public blockchain, people may try to get access to protected data, from medical data to people's personal info.
And I don't really see the medical and pharmaceutic industries be just nice and share tremendous amounts of information "for the common good".

So while I'd love to be wrong and this project just go on and get to results, I see it as a money hog, using blockchain unnecessarily to just over-complicate things.

Because if their developers don’t use “a blockchain” or what they call “blockchain technology”, how would they issue their own shittokens to “private investors”, and for those investors to “sell” them to the people, scamming them? Cool

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Quote from: so98nn on October 28, 2021, 09:06:52 AM

Well the fact that ICH and WHO has made this clear there should not be any research associated with DNA modification or any modification to biological matter which can cause threat to human species makes me think whether this will continue until the end or not.

It's not possible to entend life beyond what has been predetermined by the CREATOR. I guess the ancients like the Pharoahs thought thesame but were decieved.
In a typical setting where people are decieved, the humans will be guaranteed they will live very long or forever on earth but when they die, they are probably replaced with their digital copies or familiar spirits, then societies where those people are from begin to think/believe they heard from their ancestors or saw them when actually what they saw are not their ancestors but familiar spirits or digital holograms, assuming the technology becomes possible.

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