1 year after Segwit. Have things improved for casinos and gambling sites? - page 2.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 28, 2018, 01:23:04 AM

I encouraged all of you to impelement and use Segwit last year to reduce fees and make your hot wallets more efficient. Plus because I believe Bitcoin's gambling industry is the most active of all, I want to revisit this topic.

For all gambling sites that have implemented Segwit, how is it? Has it lowered your withdrawal fees, having more savings for the site? Are your withdrawals faster and more efficient? How much of a difference does Segwit make from legacy?

This is more of a survey targeted at owners of casinos and gambling sites as against the players on those platforms. As a player, I can only feel the effect in a little bit based on the amount and the number of times the withdrawals over the past one year. But on the part of the casino administrators, it would come as the total of all withdrawals and how much they were able to save for those who have migrated to SegWit as with the drop in activities, the drop in transaction fees is across board whether Legacy or SegWit. You should direct this to them in my opinion or better still if you can identify the address they use, a trace in each output would give the amount that is paid a transaction fees.

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Quote from: jeremypwr on August 28, 2018, 02:53:11 PM

Cheaper deposit/withdrawal fees have certainly made a much bigger difference.

Do you believe Segwit has a big role on the network's cheaper fees? Many of the posters believe that Segwit did not help in it. Hahaha.

But I believe has helped because Segwit's higher block weight makes it more expensive for the spammers to flood the mempool. Flooding would also give evidence that Segwit blocks can grow as close to under 4mb.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on August 28, 2018, 05:05:39 PM

Quote from: Kakmakr on August 28, 2018, 02:11:50 AM

Now, if you asked this same question about the Lightning Network, then you would see a significant response, but the Lightning Network is still in it's early days and most casinos have not incorporated that into their payment software.

Frankly speaking, most of the casinos haven't even managed to implement a proper automated withdrawal structure. Implementing Lightning Network should be way ahead of their priorities.

Quote from: SyGambler on August 28, 2018, 03:35:09 AM

well to be honest since I mainly do sportsbets then I don't care much about transactions and fees , all the sites that I use for my betting have 0 withdrawal fee so even if fee went to 20$ it still won't affect much
also I make like one or two deposits a month where I have to pay the fee , but the fee is really tiny compared to the deposits that I make

Paying $20 as fees for smaller transactions would be basically the death of bitcoins. How the fuck anyone is cool with paying $20 for a bitcoin transaction?

Quote from: Kakmakr on August 28, 2018, 02:11:50 AM

anyways if network got busy and spammed like it was before I guess dice and casino players are the ones who will have struggles since they tend to deposit and withdraw a lot and usually the sites don't pay for the fee

Pretty sure they won't pay $20 per transaction just to make sure the players receive their withdrawals on time.

Most of the casinos where I gamble have a proper withdrawal structure for small withdrawals, but they still back that up with "human" verification structures for larger withdrawals. You cannot trust computers, if you have a small operation.

In the last part of your post, you got your quotes all mixed up, because you quoted things that SyGambler said and you put it under my quotes. Grin

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 28, 2018, 02:11:50 AM

Now, if you asked this same question about the Lightning Network, then you would see a significant response, but the Lightning Network is still in it's early days and most casinos have not incorporated that into their payment software.

Frankly speaking, most of the casinos haven't even managed to implement a proper automated withdrawal structure. Implementing Lightning Network should be way ahead of their priorities.

Quote from: SyGambler on August 28, 2018, 03:35:09 AM

well to be honest since I mainly do sportsbets then I don't care much about transactions and fees , all the sites that I use for my betting have 0 withdrawal fee so even if fee went to 20$ it still won't affect much
also I make like one or two deposits a month where I have to pay the fee , but the fee is really tiny compared to the deposits that I make

Paying $20 as fees for smaller transactions would be basically the death of bitcoins. How the fuck anyone is cool with paying $20 for a bitcoin transaction?

Quote from: Kakmakr on August 28, 2018, 02:11:50 AM

anyways if network got busy and spammed like it was before I guess dice and casino players are the ones who will have struggles since they tend to deposit and withdraw a lot and usually the sites don't pay for the fee

Pretty sure they won't pay $20 per transaction just to make sure the players receive their withdrawals on time.

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Cheaper deposit/withdrawal fees have certainly made a much bigger difference.

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Doesnt really need anymore nowadays which each casinos or gambling sites do need Segwit yet fees now are too low which its just senseless for them to make such changes or not really have that importance.
This question would be only suited to ask when we are on December last year which they might have that view on having such transition but well we do see the current situation when it comes to fees.

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I recall that some gambling operators were reluctant to
switch to the bech32 address format, because this would
make the tracking of transactions easier for the blockchain
analytics companies.

E.g. if only one popular gambling site uses bech32 addresses and
a player only deposits to gambling websites from his preferred exchange,
it could be easy to identify the addresses of the gambling operator, which
would enable conclusions about the transaction activity of other users of
the gambling site.

This problem would obviously be solved if enough gambling websites
start to use the bech32 address format.

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There's definitely an improvement regarding withdrawal/deposit transaction times for casinos and gambling sites but I think, this is not due to Segwit. Its just the process and management of these gambling sites improved a lot during the past months.

To gather some information regarding your question, I opened a ticket (have a chat with the representative) in one of these cryptogambling sites and asked whether they are using/implementing Segwit in their website and he literally said that he didn't know any of that. It is very evident that this is not a big deal in their operation and is not important in their industry.

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I, too, have only mainly seen P2SH addresses (3 prefix), and I don't recall ever seeing a native SegWit address on any gambling sites recently, nor really any ecommerce sites now that I think about it.

Fees for withdrawal may have dropped somewhat from what they were at the height of the spam attack, but I haven't noticed a significant decrease in withdrawal fees either. I don't have a problem with withdrawal on most sites though, and I started lowering the amount of withdrawals I made during the spam attacks to lower whatever fees were charged then. I still support SegWit even with fees where they are right now, though.

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Sadly, I haven't been able to convince any of my favourites sites either, not that I tried with everyone. Some already had P2SH for a while, and those aren't ready to move to native Segwit for fear of alienating depositors who are largely using wallets that won't be compatible.

Seeing withdrawal fees of 10 to 25k, I'm wondering why people are still willing to pay those fees and not ask owners to upgrade... I can do 100 txs for less than the price of most site withdrawal fees.

Those who did respond say that it just wasn't worth the hassle and downtime, and that may be true for many more months, if not years, since I don't expect congestion will ever again hit the heights of 100+k txs... those who wished the network ill with deliberate spamming no longer have the will nor motivation to do so. But you never know, price increase, next bull run, demand shooting back up, all those ingredients that led to "expensive" fees.

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well to be honest since I mainly do sportsbets then I don't care much about transactions and fees , all the sites that I use for my betting have 0 withdrawal fee so even if fee went to 20$ it still won't affect much
also I make like one or two deposits a month where I have to pay the fee , but the fee is really tiny compared to the deposits that I make

anyways if network got busy and spammed like it was before I guess dice and casino players are the ones who will have struggles since they tend to deposit and withdraw a lot and usually the sites don't pay for the fee

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Segwit basically didn't do much in the end because most of the network was freed up when the transaction spamming stopped.

It was pretty crazy at times and I remember having to pay maybe a $20 fee for a 1 input 2 output transaction because it was an urgent transaction I needed confirmed.

And many casinos were suffering also due to this hence the reason why many casinos introduced many alts to curb this issue. There were also some On-chain gambling sites which pretty much went out of business due to the fees.

However now its really a non-issue and for the long term doesn't look like people will be paying $20-50 fees per transaction since most of the spamming attack was BCH most likely which has stopped.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 28, 2018, 01:23:04 AM

I encouraged all of you to impelement and use Segwit last year to reduce fees and make your hot wallets more efficient. Plus because I believe Bitcoin's gambling industry is the most active of all, I want to revisit this topic.

For all gambling sites that have implemented Segwit, how is it? Has it lowered your withdrawal fees, having more savings for the site? Are your withdrawals faster and more efficient? How much of a difference does Segwit make from legacy?

For now there is no big difference in the transaction fee between the legacy and the segwit address and also most of the gambling sites have less number of confirmations to deposit our money so it doesn't made any difference if they even implemented the segwit into their wallets and mostly the gamblers won't care about the transaction fees.

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Why do you think SegWit would make a difference in their daily operation? Yes, they might save a couple of dollars with the cheaper miners fees when gamblers withdraw some bitcoins, but the Legacy Bitcoin transactions has improved a lot since 2017. I think with a lot more people shifting to SegWit and transaction volume going down and spamming stopped, the Legacy addresses is still very fast and cheap.

Now, if you asked this same question about the Lightning Network, then you would see a significant response, but the Lightning Network is still in it's early days and most casinos have not incorporated that into their payment software.

I do not own a gambling site, but I know one of the Support technicians working at one of these sites and he says the SegWit thing is a non-issue with their casino. Roll Eyes

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I encouraged all of you to impelement and use Segwit last year to reduce fees and make your hot wallets more efficient. Plus because I believe Bitcoin's gambling industry is the most active of all, I want to revisit this topic.

For all gambling sites that have implemented Segwit, how is it? Has it lowered your withdrawal fees, having more savings for the site? Are your withdrawals faster and more efficient? How much of a difference does Segwit make from legacy?

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