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Topic: [~1000 GH/sec] BTC Guild - 0% Fee Pool, LP, SSL, Full Precision, and More - page 56. (Read 379078 times)

newbie
Activity: 46
Merit: 0
Stales went way down on US West with the patch about an hour ago.  Still having a very odd issue where the load balancer is spiking in CPU usage when running a block calculation, which is why you're getting idles.

I'm working on figuring out what about the calculation script is creating the problem.  This is my absolute top priority, because we just got screwed out of blocks (2 invalids in a row) due to the server essentially going offline before it was able to report the blocks on the network.  Same thing happened with the 2 invalids a couple days ago.

Yeah I noticed we had 4 invalids in about 24 hours time. Those two in a row just now scared the shit out of me.

You're doing a great job and are very attentive, all us BTC Guild miners appreciate your hard work!
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1007
Stales went way down on US West with the patch about an hour ago.  Still having a very odd issue where the load balancer is spiking in CPU usage when running a block calculation, which is why you're getting idles.

I'm working on figuring out what about the calculation script is creating the problem.  This is my absolute top priority, because we just got screwed out of blocks (2 invalids in a row) due to the server essentially going offline before it was able to report the blocks on the network.  Same thing happened with the 2 invalids a couple days ago.
hero member
Activity: 634
Merit: 500

Hey I have a smashing idea! Is there any way to configure the server to work on multiple blocks at the same time?
And, if a block has been worked on for an hour, it's put on the "back burner" and only 10% of the pool's hashrate is devoted to it?

Wow, I think I just solved the universe.
I'm sorry Bitcoin just doesn't work that way.
Everyone in the entire world is always working on the same block. If you are not working on the current block your submitted shares are stales.

The thing you have to remember about Bitcoin block is that there is no "percent complete." A block is never 45% or 75% solved. It's either solved or not.

Here is a refresher course I wrote a while back.

This post will help people new to Bitcoins get up to speed. Everyone else can skip it (or read it for a refresher).

Bitcoins are created by "solving a block." A "Block" is just a collection of Bitcoin transactions that have been hashed and added to the official chain of Bitcoin blocks. The "confirmations" the you get when you send or receive a transaction is the result of your transaction being hashed and included in the block chain.
Since solving a block is so difficult, you get a reward for doing so... 50 Bitcoins.

How do I solve a block?
To complete a new block your computer running mining software tries to guess the hash of the new block based off the hash of the old block. You aren't really computing the answer to an equation per say. You are just making a guess.
In fact, it helps to look at this like buying lottery tickets. The chances of winning the lottery are low, but  you can increase you odds if you buy more tickets.
Your miners compute hashes against the current block and when it thinks it has a potential winner, it submits it as a share. Hashes are generally measured in number of Mhases/sec or Ghashes/sec. This would be millions of hashes per second or billions of hashes per second (respectively). For example an Average ATI 5770 video card can compute roughly 150 to 200 Mhash/sec dependly on how you configure it.
The share you submitted is sent across the entire peer-to-peer Bitcoin network. All peers must agree if a share is the winner.

It's a lottery.
The percent chance that a single hash will be the winner is currently: 0.0000000000000001489590023.
This changes about every two weeks and is expected to get even tougher.
Even though the odds are so high, there is a potential for two clients to submit a winning share at the same time. When this happens, the Bitcoin peer-to-peer network choses the definitive winner. The loser's block is then declared invalid. Invalid blocks are a rare occurrence, but it does happen.

Mining Pools
Since the probability of the average home computer to find the correct hash is so slim, people have started to "pool" their resources together--in much the same way an office might buy several lottery tickets together.
You along with all the others in the pool submit shares. When a block is solved among one of the pool members, the 50 Bitcoin reward is split among all those who submitted shares during that block. The more shares you submit, the larger your portion of the reward.
Pools are operated by groups, or individuals and are kept alive by taking a small cut of your profits (usually a fee of about 3%).

Bad Things - Stale Shares and Idles
When you belong to a pool, you are trying to solve a block that the pool has relayed to you:
The Pool gets the current block from the Peer-to-peer Bitcoin network.
It sends your miner that information.
Your miner works on it.
Your miner submits shares it thinks will be potential winners.
If a block is solved elsewhere on the Bitcoin network, the pool must tell you miner to stop what it is doing and start work on the new block.
If your miner does not get this new block information, it will continue to work on submitting shares for the previous block. When this happens, your shares are stale and do not count for anything.
If the pool does not send any block information to your miner, it will become idle and not do anything (not contributing).
The best way to fix any of these problems on the miner end is to stop--and restart the miner software. It will then submit a new request for new block information from the pool.

BTC Guild
To keep this on topic.....
The BTC Guild mining pool was created (founded?) by eleuthria. He has committed countless hours and many of his personal resources to bring the fastest growing Bitcoin mining pool in the world.
Of of this writing it is also the second largest pool in the world.
eleuthria has made numerous enhancements to the pool in the short months that it has been in existence. However, most of his time lately has been trying to keep up with the explosive growth of the pool. And when I say "explosive" I think one of his early servers has actually melted. (I may or may not be making up that last statement.)
The number one reason the pool is so popular is that the fee is optional. You can choose how much or how little of a fee to pay.
That's right, you can join the pool for absolutely free if you want to. However, you get perks for paying a fee. And the higher the fee, the more perks you get! 
Get all the perks for paying a fee of 2.5% or more. This is still a great value compared to other pools.
At 0% fee (the default) you can join the pool and get paid based on the number of shares you submit. When the pool solves a block, you get paid your portion after 120 confirmations.
At 2% you can setup Idle miner email warnings. If you miner(s) stop submitting shares for some reason, you can be notified by email.
At 2.5% you get the above. AND you get paid immediately when a block is solved. You don't have to wait for 120 confirmations. AND you get paid even if the block later becomes invalid.
It's the best pool I have seen. The community is great and the maintainer, eleuthria, is extremely active. You can reach him right on this discussion in the forum, or on IRC chat (#btcguild on FreeNode).
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1007
Made some changes to the DB and the new block code to hopefully fix the idles at LP.  This is why a lot of you probably had idles in the last 5 minutes.
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1000
Thank for the hard work eleuthria.

Possibly an index missing on db? different db connectors then the older servers?  just throwing things out there.

edit:  thanks for the update.....
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1007
I started a fresh miner an hour ago to check for rejects and so far everything is good.
I am using uswest and have 436/3

Keep up the good work!

EDIT: LOL, well so much for that. It worked right upto the next round. Disconnected + idle for over a minute.

Adding some timing profile code to the end of round calculations to figure this one out.  The queries being run on the servers should not be tying up the resources long enough for idles, but looking at my logs last night it seems like all but one of my idles overnight was due to a round ending.

The stales improved quite a bit overall, but they're still higher than normal.  It seems to be related to the LP taking longer to push out than it should, even though the server has already moved on.  Still optimizing, but in general the new server is performing well (No crash overnight, the idles have been identified as clustered around end of round calculations, and stales are better with a trail to why they're higher than they were earlier this week).
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
I started a fresh miner an hour ago to check for rejects and so far everything is good.
I am using uswest and have 436/3

Keep up the good work!

EDIT: LOL, well so much for that. It worked right upto the next round. Disconnected + idle for over a minute.
newbie
Activity: 50
Merit: 0
Reporting a lot of stales again (22/640) Sad. Really want to stay with BTC Guild..
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
stales looking much better now. Let's keep this up! Thanks Eleu
newbie
Activity: 24
Merit: 0
Is the pushpool patch being applied to useast, too?

On an unrelated observation, us/uswest is truly a super server, because it's still on "Low Load" @ 1Thash+ !
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
Firstbits: 12pqwk
Still very high Stales here,
averaging 5%-8%(for this round)
10% on some workers.  Cry Cry Cry

It was fine last week, well under 1%
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1000
OK, ok,  so I dont have a huge farm like some..


so..  anyway..  <.15% stales for about 30 minutes,  then I get a bunch of stales all at once.
Totals   5,764.80 MH/s   1780 (60)


edit: this round is looking good  Smiley
Totals   5,645.50 MH/s   3197 (6)
Eri
sr. member
Activity: 264
Merit: 250
Rofl, *knocks on some wood* I'm happy to report I'm getting my normal amount of shares over the last few hours and so far no stales! now if only i had a better hashrate :/ (nothing you can do about that though! Tongue)
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1000
eleuthria,
  Well,  i am voting with my rigs.  they are all yours now.
Jim


edit: after 10 minutes  so far so good.  less then .3%  1059 (3)
sr. member
Activity: 418
Merit: 250
I really hate to say this, but after seeing over 5% stales yesterday, I decided to try a different pool for a little while while things settle down here.  The new pool is giving me 2.5% or less (I really hate to see wasted work, since that's wasted electricity, bandwidth, and time)

I hope to be back in a few days, keep up the hard work on getting the superserver running like a top and I know this pool will grow to larger than it ever has been before, quickly.
legendary
Activity: 1750
Merit: 1007
Hopefully the latest round of updates fixed the stales.  This afternoon I went back and rolled in the patches to pushpool that I had been slacking on, something went awry on the rejects due to roll_ntime.  Disabled it as jine did on his pool and things are already looking much better.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
I'm getting a grip load of stales too... hovering around 6% stales. Might as well go to deepbit and pay 3% fee with <1% stales
member
Activity: 63
Merit: 10
Anyone else having stale problems lately?  I've tried both poclbm_py2exe_20110627 and poclbm_py2exe_20110709.


I am getting LOTS of stale shares...
I don't know whats wrong but since one day or two ago approx btcguild is giving lots of stale shares...

This is not the way of doing things..... so I am moving all my workers to another server until the stale problem gets fixed.
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1000
I dont know if this helps, but just after the 4 hour block was found, I pointed 3 of my rigs over to btc...  I had 0 stales for about 20 minutes. then it jumped to about 5-7% stales in minutes.

I am looking forward to this becoming stable.

Jim
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
Anyone else having stale problems lately?  I've tried both poclbm_py2exe_20110627 and poclbm_py2exe_20110709.

After every LP, I get 4-7 stales over the next minute:

us.btcguild.com:8332 11/07/2011 23:59:13, long poll: new block 0000091b90788656
us.btcguild.com:8332 11/07/2011 23:59:16, effef75d, invalid or stale
us.btcguild.com:8332 11/07/2011 23:59:23, 86655f6a, invalid or stale
us.btcguild.com:8332 11/07/2011 23:59:44, 2b09897d, invalid or stale
us.btcguild.com:8332 11/07/2011 23:59:49, 229bd754, invalid or stale
us.btcguild.com:8332 11/07/2011 23:59:58, db4d94d1, invalid or stale
us.btcguild.com:8332 12/07/2011 00:00:04, 777d97f2, invalid or stale
us.btcguild.com:8332 12/07/2011 00:00:05, 95195810, invalid or stale
us.btcguild.com:8332 12/07/2011 00:00:37, ac9bff60, accepted
us.btcguild.com:8332 12/07/2011 00:00:56, ee7188aa, accepted
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