Futuristic my fucking ass; these are rehashes of the same shit we've been suffering through for the last 10k years.
i dunno what you have
... seasteading, ancapistan, it's all there 
Topic: 12 Futuristic Forms of Government That Could One Day Rule the World (Read 2461 times)
i dunno what you have
... seasteading, ancapistan, it's all there 
June 17, 2014, 07:51:56 AM
All of us humans are greedy and can never be trusted.
AI should rule the world.
AI should rule the world.
Even the best AI is only as good as the people who program or "teach" it. Imagine what would happen if highly advanced AI technology got into the hands of Hitler or Osama bin Laden, for instance. I get the feeling that we're never going to have a perfect government.
June 16, 2014, 12:38:46 PM
Futuristic my fucking ass; these are rehashes of the same shit we've been suffering through for the last 10k years. If mankind is intelligent and rational enough to employ these forms of governments, we don't need them to begin with; we'd solve problems without resorting to "might makes right" and "minority schminority".
June 16, 2014, 11:22:17 AM
Also Cyberocracy has a more established name Technocracy. Please use the correct term.
These types of organization are very close to each other, but not the same. Technocracy is a type of social organization which governed primarily by technical experts. If you wish some real life examples, soviet-type planned economy was an attempt to implement technocratic society, STP is a social-taylorism in action. But it was implemented with some fatal flaws. This message describes the most of them:https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6769965
In a contrast to the technocratic, a cyberocratic society is ruled by machine and all decision making processes are performed using a special software. There were some attempts to implement such system in the USSR between 1959 and 1965, OGAS and EGSVC systems... Maybe you will be lucky enough to find some A. I. Kitov's and V. M. Glushkov's publications and read more about that. Their projects were declared as "ready for production usage", but some members of the party were afraid of such type of innovations. They were afraid to loose the power. As the result, Kitov and Glushkov were expelled from the party and their projects were delayed for indefinite future.
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OGAS is apartial abbreviation of "Oбщeгocyдapcтвeннaя Aвтoмaтизиpoвaннaя Cиcтeмa yчeтa и oбpaбoтки инфopмaции", which could be translated as
Nationwide Automated System of Accounting and information processing. This system was proposed to control the industrial sector.
EGSVC is an abbreviation of "Eдинaя Гocyдapcтвeннaя Ceть Bычиcлитeльныx Цeнтpoв", which means Unified State Network of Computer Centers. EGSVC system was proposed to rule by the military and agricultural sectors.
June 16, 2014, 11:05:52 AM
I get the impression that Noocracy is the best 'real' option for the future government. That is really unfortunate because people who are wise are usually suffocated by the masses of idiots.
Also from I could see Dark Enlightenment is in motion now not all people can see it yet.
Also from I could see Dark Enlightenment is in motion now not all people can see it yet.
June 16, 2014, 10:57:19 AM
All of us humans are greedy and can never be trusted.
AI should rule the world.
AI should rule the world.
Even the best AI is only as good as the people who program or "teach" it. Imagine what would happen if highly advanced AI technology got into the hands of Hitler or Osama bin Laden, for instance. I get the feeling that we're never going to have a perfect government.
June 16, 2014, 10:49:16 AM
All of us humans are greedy and can never be trusted.
AI should rule the world.
AI should rule the world.
June 16, 2014, 06:30:41 AM
The Dark Enlightenment is not correctly summarized in the OP.
Go here for more information on the Dark Enlightenment:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dark-enlightenment-495527
In essence, it is the rise of anarchist cyberworld Knowledge Age, where government is irrelevant and impotent and the individual and his technological capabilities rein supreme. Most of the population will fall into a Dark Age, because they can't compete effectively against hackers and they are reliant on collectivism, debt, and the bankrupt industrial age.
Oh and I am more important than Moldberg in the Dark Enlightenment.
Also Cyberocracy has a more established name Technocracy. Please use the correct term.
Go here for more information on the Dark Enlightenment:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dark-enlightenment-495527
In essence, it is the rise of anarchist cyberworld Knowledge Age, where government is irrelevant and impotent and the individual and his technological capabilities rein supreme. Most of the population will fall into a Dark Age, because they can't compete effectively against hackers and they are reliant on collectivism, debt, and the bankrupt industrial age.
Oh and I am more important than Moldberg in the Dark Enlightenment.
Also Cyberocracy has a more established name Technocracy. Please use the correct term.
June 16, 2014, 05:42:58 AM
Cyberocracy and Delegative Democracy would probably be my choises.
Gerontocracy is where we are going, apart from there being a few young people rising up there. And it's sad reality just how well some of the old do compared to rest...
Gerontocracy is where we are going, apart from there being a few young people rising up there. And it's sad reality just how well some of the old do compared to rest...
June 16, 2014, 04:47:56 AM
Star Trek... big military operations, uniform fetish, no information about the living conditions of the average people... yup, that's fascism
June 16, 2014, 04:39:48 AM
4. Democratic World Government
We may very well be on our way to achieving the Star Trek-like vision of a global-scale liberal democracy — one capable of ending nuclear proliferation, ensuring global security, intervening to end genocide, defending human rights, and putting a stop to human-caused climate change. [...]
Actually, if you've ever seen Past Tense Part I and Part II DS9 episodes, you'll understand that liberalism was crashed in the 21st century. Humanity in Star Trek series is presented by well developed socialist society. It has nothing in common with the so-called liberal democracy. We may very well be on our way to achieving the Star Trek-like vision of a global-scale liberal democracy — one capable of ending nuclear proliferation, ensuring global security, intervening to end genocide, defending human rights, and putting a stop to human-caused climate change. [...]
That's the assumption on the face value but it was never that simple. They still had mediums of exchange in the Federation. There were several hints towards individuals who were incredibly wealthy. For all the claims by Picard that humanity was no longer interested by money, there always was an unlimited supply of human mercenaries and traders looking to make credits. .
Then you had Bashir and Riker who were always gambling. . . As well, except for Miles O'Brien, it looked like most enlisted (not to be confused with officers) Starfleet servicemen lived in terrible conditions, I can't imagine the incentive for them to do that unless they were getting credits or some kind of benefit over the general populace back home.
Maybe poverty was eliminated in the Federation but I never saw anything about it being socialist - socialist would imply collectivization of capital and everything in Star Trek pointed to capital being owned by wealthy individuals or the military.
If you mean welfare socialist - I don't recall ever seeing welfare workers in Star Trek.. maybe Star Trek is a future assumption that technological innovation will bring about a technological minarchism solution to poverty.
June 16, 2014, 02:57:31 AM
I think it could be Seasteading, because we all know that the Ice in Poles are melting. If all Ice in the poles melted the sea can rise up to 150 meter. Many cities will be under the sea. Thus people would be force to live in the sea and try to live cluster to help each other and sea seatheading states will be formed.
that would look more like a waterworld scenario i guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKFsmZhQWtg
June 15, 2014, 10:01:10 PM
I think it could be Seasteading, because we all know that the Ice in Poles are melting. If all Ice in the poles melted the sea can rise up to 150 meter. Many cities will be under the sea. Thus people would be force to live in the sea and try to live cluster to help each other and sea seatheading states will be formed.
June 15, 2014, 06:41:17 PM
I like number twelve more out of all of them, since I enjoy post-apocalyptic fiction. The other ones are 'meh', and more 'meh'.
June 15, 2014, 05:41:23 PM
13. Increased control and slavery through taxation and regulation. IOW, more of the same.
June 15, 2014, 05:27:22 PM
4. Democratic World Government
We may very well be on our way to achieving the Star Trek-like vision of a global-scale liberal democracy — one capable of ending nuclear proliferation, ensuring global security, intervening to end genocide, defending human rights, and putting a stop to human-caused climate change. [...]
Actually, if you've ever seen Past Tense Part I and Part II DS9 episodes, you'll understand that liberalism was crashed in the 21st century. Humanity in Star Trek series is presented by well developed socialist society. It has nothing in common with the so-called liberal democracy. We may very well be on our way to achieving the Star Trek-like vision of a global-scale liberal democracy — one capable of ending nuclear proliferation, ensuring global security, intervening to end genocide, defending human rights, and putting a stop to human-caused climate change. [...]
June 15, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
The U.N. could be considered a crude sort of polystate. And we all know exactly how effective that is.
June 15, 2014, 05:03:09 PM
Mencius Molebug is my vote. #11 Dark Enlightenment
June 15, 2014, 03:16:40 PM
http://io9.com/12-futuristic-forms-of-government-that-could-one-day-ru-1589833046
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12 Futuristic Forms of Government That Could One Day Rule the World
As history has repeatedly shown, political systems come and go. Given our rapid technological and social advances, it's a trend we can expect to continue. Here are 12 extraordinary — and even frightening — ways our governments could be run in the future.
1. Noocracy
Similar to Plato's "government of the wise," a noocracy would be, in the words of "biosphere" popularizer Vladimir Vernadsky, "a social and political system based on the priority of the human mind." [...]
2. Cyberocracy
In a cyberocracy, governments, or governmental institutions, would rule by the effective use of information. [...]
3. An AI Singleton
But once an artificial intelligence becomes sophisticated and powerful enough, it could set itself up as a Singleton — a hypothetical world order in which there is a single decision-making agency (or entity) at the highest level of control. [...]
4. Democratic World Government
We may very well be on our way to achieving the Star Trek-like vision of a global-scale liberal democracy — one capable of ending nuclear proliferation, ensuring global security, intervening to end genocide, defending human rights, and putting a stop to human-caused climate change. [...]
5. The Polystate
But if one overarching global system is not to your liking, you can always go non-local. [...]
6. Futarchy
[...] "Market speculators would set prices that estimate national welfare conditional on adopting proposed policies. When the market estimate of welfare conditional on adopting a policy is higher than the estimate conditional on non-adoption, that proposal becomes law."
7. Delegative Democracy
Also known as liquid democracy, it's described by Bryan Ford as a new paradigm for democratic organization where individual vote transfers, or delegation, is emphasized over mass election. In such a system, voting power is vested in delegates rather than representatives. [...]
8. Seasteading
For those of you looking to escape into international waters, there's always seasteading to consider — modular, autonomous, voluntary city-states. They could take on the form of abandoned ocean liners or anything else that floats. [...]
9. Gerontocracy
As people live increasingly longer, and as we gradually phase into the era of radical life extension, there's the distinct possibility that the aged will hold on to their wealth and power. [...]
10. Demarchy
Coined by Australian philosopher John Burnheim, a demarchy, or lottocracy, is a form of government in which the state is governed by randomly selected decision makers who have been selected from a pool of eligible citizens. [...]
11. A Dark Enlightenment
If a band of wingnut anarcho-capitalists get their way, we'll take one step forward by overthrowing liberal democracy — and then take two steps back by re-instating a monarchist or authoritarian system. The ringleader of this neoreactionary movement, or dark enlightenment as its called, is Mencius Moldbug. [...]
12. Post-Apocalyptic Hunter-Gatherers
Speaking of regression, there's also the possibility that some kind of catastrophic event will force us to revert to paleolithic politics. [...]
Which one would you prefer though? As history has repeatedly shown, political systems come and go. Given our rapid technological and social advances, it's a trend we can expect to continue. Here are 12 extraordinary — and even frightening — ways our governments could be run in the future.
1. Noocracy
Similar to Plato's "government of the wise," a noocracy would be, in the words of "biosphere" popularizer Vladimir Vernadsky, "a social and political system based on the priority of the human mind." [...]
2. Cyberocracy
In a cyberocracy, governments, or governmental institutions, would rule by the effective use of information. [...]
3. An AI Singleton
But once an artificial intelligence becomes sophisticated and powerful enough, it could set itself up as a Singleton — a hypothetical world order in which there is a single decision-making agency (or entity) at the highest level of control. [...]
4. Democratic World Government
We may very well be on our way to achieving the Star Trek-like vision of a global-scale liberal democracy — one capable of ending nuclear proliferation, ensuring global security, intervening to end genocide, defending human rights, and putting a stop to human-caused climate change. [...]
5. The Polystate
But if one overarching global system is not to your liking, you can always go non-local. [...]
6. Futarchy
[...] "Market speculators would set prices that estimate national welfare conditional on adopting proposed policies. When the market estimate of welfare conditional on adopting a policy is higher than the estimate conditional on non-adoption, that proposal becomes law."
7. Delegative Democracy
Also known as liquid democracy, it's described by Bryan Ford as a new paradigm for democratic organization where individual vote transfers, or delegation, is emphasized over mass election. In such a system, voting power is vested in delegates rather than representatives. [...]
8. Seasteading
For those of you looking to escape into international waters, there's always seasteading to consider — modular, autonomous, voluntary city-states. They could take on the form of abandoned ocean liners or anything else that floats. [...]
9. Gerontocracy
As people live increasingly longer, and as we gradually phase into the era of radical life extension, there's the distinct possibility that the aged will hold on to their wealth and power. [...]
10. Demarchy
Coined by Australian philosopher John Burnheim, a demarchy, or lottocracy, is a form of government in which the state is governed by randomly selected decision makers who have been selected from a pool of eligible citizens. [...]
11. A Dark Enlightenment
If a band of wingnut anarcho-capitalists get their way, we'll take one step forward by overthrowing liberal democracy — and then take two steps back by re-instating a monarchist or authoritarian system. The ringleader of this neoreactionary movement, or dark enlightenment as its called, is Mencius Moldbug. [...]
12. Post-Apocalyptic Hunter-Gatherers
Speaking of regression, there's also the possibility that some kind of catastrophic event will force us to revert to paleolithic politics. [...]
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