12% of First-Time Homebuyers Say Selling Crypto Helped Save for Down Payment

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I remember reading back in November how people were doing the complete opposite. They were getting a home equity line of credit to buy crypto and stocks with their homes equity. They got scared of what is happening with inflation and they borrowed money against their home to buy stocks and crypto and doesn't look like it was a smart move.

So seeing people do the opposite is pretty good. Since crypto is actually helping people get their first home. Its served its purpose of being a valueable investment that paid off. Buying a home is responsible unlike buying stuff like cars or watches which is what most of the young investors are blowing their money on these days.

It was NEVER a good move, even while they were doing it. If you have an asset, you do not use that to buy stocks or crypto, you use that to buy another asset if you could. Save up enough money, and get a line of credit or loan to finish up the last parts of it. I know that it is not really a method of getting rich quick, I know that people like to get a loan for 100k on their house, and then use it to buy crypto that goes 10x and they end up with a million dollars and a small debt.

Most people likes that, it is just a weird approach and I have even seen people do leverage trading on it. Doesn't make sense, you should buy assets with assets, not currency. The money you put into crypto should come from saving money aside, the money that you do not need, that way you would know that if something bad happens it is there, but if nothing happens then it could stay there as long as possible.

Most people are simply not equipped to deal with risk reward ratios, taking risks in live is inevitable, even going out of your home has risks, and obviously staying inside has them too, however we take those risks as the benefits we can get are way bigger than the risks we are incurring.

However many people cannot adequately measure those risks and take decisions that are incredibly risky, mortgaging your home, the place where you live is simply a bad idea, even if it works out I cannot accept it as a good decision, because if you happen to lose, and we know the majority of traders and investors lose their money, then not only you will lose that money, you will lose your home and you will have to pay interest on the loan as well, that is a mistake that could take decades to recover from, if people ever recover from it.

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Quote from: adaseb on January 15, 2022, 12:59:26 AM

I remember reading back in November how people were doing the complete opposite. They were getting a home equity line of credit to buy crypto and stocks with their homes equity. They got scared of what is happening with inflation and they borrowed money against their home to buy stocks and crypto and doesn't look like it was a smart move.

So seeing people do the opposite is pretty good. Since crypto is actually helping people get their first home. Its served its purpose of being a valueable investment that paid off. Buying a home is responsible unlike buying stuff like cars or watches which is what most of the young investors are blowing their money on these days.

It was NEVER a good move, even while they were doing it. If you have an asset, you do not use that to buy stocks or crypto, you use that to buy another asset if you could. Save up enough money, and get a line of credit or loan to finish up the last parts of it. I know that it is not really a method of getting rich quick, I know that people like to get a loan for 100k on their house, and then use it to buy crypto that goes 10x and they end up with a million dollars and a small debt.

Most people likes that, it is just a weird approach and I have even seen people do leverage trading on it. Doesn't make sense, you should buy assets with assets, not currency. The money you put into crypto should come from saving money aside, the money that you do not need, that way you would know that if something bad happens it is there, but if nothing happens then it could stay there as long as possible.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on January 11, 2022, 06:19:02 PM

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12% of First-Time Homebuyers Say Selling Crypto Helped Save for Down Payment, Up From 5% in 2019

One great thing about this is, it shows how cryptocurrencies carry a potential for economic benefit. In terms of it making it easier for people to afford houses and real estate.

Its difficult to measure the impact that cryptocurrencies have about society as a whole. Its been generalized as being a creator of jobs and wealth. I have gone so far as to claim that it elevates our standard of living.

If nothing else, I hope we can all agree that crypto provides us with more opportunities and options than we would have without it. And that's always a good thing, am I right.

It's definitely interesting to see how Bitcoin has made a select group of people richer, although I doubt much verification went on beyond them answering the survey and claiming this latest buzzword trend was a great help to them. What should be considered and is easy to miss is the fact this only captures people with a lot of money already, as in - a large portion probably came from middle or high wealth families which gave them enough freedom to be able to buy into these cryptocurrencies. When you have less cash, find it very hard to save on a low salary and probably have little help from family to buy much else, then putting money into a highly speculative asset like crypto comes with huge risks to your future.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on January 11, 2022, 06:19:02 PM

Its difficult to measure the impact that cryptocurrencies have about society as a whole. Its been generalized as being a creator of jobs and wealth. I have gone so far as to claim that it elevates our standard of living.

If nothing else, I hope we can all agree that crypto provides us with more opportunities and options than we would have without it. And that's always a good thing, am I right.

I think the success stories of cryptocurrency is going to come more by the end of this year because the population is increasing and more benefits are on line if we do the proper investment and not go buy coins that are already dying. There are different benefit apart from investment in cryptocurrency, we can save funds with it, we can stake some coins, it makes payment easier and transactions in cryptocurrency doesn't expose anyone to security threats, the anonymity is locked for everyone. There is in fact good life with cryptocurrency.

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Granted that figure is probably overestimating crypto adoption figures given that there is a significant bias towards young people who are rich, but crypto is really going to mainstream now.

And the fact that you are able to save for your first deposit without having to worry about depreciation of your fiat is definitely much more empowering than any government first home buyer schemes.

Well done to these people.

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I remember reading back in November how people were doing the complete opposite. They were getting a home equity line of credit to buy crypto and stocks with their homes equity. They got scared of what is happening with inflation and they borrowed money against their home to buy stocks and crypto and doesn't look like it was a smart move.

So seeing people do the opposite is pretty good. Since crypto is actually helping people get their first home. Its served its purpose of being a valueable investment that paid off. Buying a home is responsible unlike buying stuff like cars or watches which is what most of the young investors are blowing their money on these days.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on January 13, 2022, 02:44:27 PM

I would say it is not really that shocking, people did made some great profits this year so the increase in 2021 definitely makes sense because of all that extra income. Plus, the real estate investment is the most logical investment in the entire world if you do not own a house. Think about it, which one would you rather, keep paying rent, or no rent? It is not risky neither, you buy a house, you go in, and you start living there, end of story.

If you are investing into a house for price then you may have a problem but this isn't even like that, this is about how you just live in there so the value doesn't even matter. So, I would say that it is definitely a good investment and all these extra crypto profits in 2021 found a great home to go to.

To this I will add that real estate is a store of value as well as it has the tendency to follow inflation, meaning that if you have the cash to buy a house where you can live now then it is a good idea to do buy it already, otherwise the price of real estate will keep growing and it will be more difficult for you to fulfill your dream of having your own home.

Also as you say we need to consider that not everything is about money, buying your own house is probably one of the biggest milestones in the life of a person, it says ‘I made it’ and it incredibly comforting to have a place to call your own, to the point that no amount of money can compare to that sensation.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 12, 2022, 12:27:40 AM

I can tell from personal experience that 5 of the people I introduced to Bitcoin and Alt coins, have used their profits to pay for cars and also for a down payment on the deposit for a new house. Wink

Two of these people have never owned a property before and the home loan does not cover the full cost of the property.

They told me that if it was not for the profits that they received from those Crypto currency trades, they probably would have never had accumulated enough money for those deposits. I am just glad that my advice and guidance made a difference in their lives and that it helped to put a roof over their heads. Wink

It really help a lot in my case, got my first car, got also my first home, even though I am paying mortgage I am still thankful. Crypto investments helped me a lot. It is better than nothing, better than being broke and homeless, just how many people are wishing to be on my spot. All I have to do is steadily pay off my debts and live an easy life, in touch with crypto and maybe next project is buy a small farm to grow my own foods.

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Quote from: Darker45 on January 11, 2022, 08:30:57 PM

It’s also worth pointing out, and the article has made it clear, that while others have made money out of their investments, others have also lost theirs. Other investments went to the moon while others went up in smoke. ...

In fact it is well known that some people killed themselves both financially and, in the most unfortunate cases, physically. There has been a huge crowd of people that did not really understand crypto, or better said, they did not have a hint about crypto nor life in general, and all fell easily for the scams and the promised land of money for nothing. Too bad, once more where there is opportunity, there is risk.

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I would say it is not really that shocking, people did made some great profits this year so the increase in 2021 definitely makes sense because of all that extra income. Plus, the real estate investment is the most logical investment in the entire world if you do not own a house. Think about it, which one would you rather, keep paying rent, or no rent? It is not risky neither, you buy a house, you go in, and you start living there, end of story.

If you are investing into a house for price then you may have a problem but this isn't even like that, this is about how you just live in there so the value doesn't even matter. So, I would say that it is definitely a good investment and all these extra crypto profits in 2021 found a great home to go to.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on January 11, 2022, 06:19:02 PM

One great thing about this is, it shows how cryptocurrencies carry a potential for economic benefit. In terms of it making it easier for people to afford houses and real estate.

Its difficult to measure the impact that cryptocurrencies have about society as a whole. Its been generalized as being a creator of jobs and wealth. I have gone so far as to claim that it elevates our standard of living.

If nothing else, I hope we can all agree that crypto provides us with more opportunities and options than we would have without it. And that's always a good thing, am I right.

You are right, I have felt the benefits of cryptocurrency in 2017 from Bitcoin. I was able to buy a number of private homes as well as a number of homes that could be rented out. All generated from cryptocurrencies, there is no denying it. Maybe I'm one of those people out there who have experienced what's really going on in crypto.

Crypto not only gives us more opportunities but gives us a path of economic prosperity that we have never experienced from government programs in the country where I live.

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And it also didn't help some of them. It shows how Crypto has the way to help a small amount increase to an amount that can help you, but it can also help you make it disappear in an instant. Well, it's actually just any type of investment out there, just that I think crypto is much more accessible to most, and that with its volatility, can pretty much help you profit quickly (or not) depending on the market season. I myself have profited well at times in a short span.

Haven't exactly done anything with it yet though, still planning on keeping it as Bitcoin and hodling it, don't have much to buy/invest (and I can't exactly spend it on anything with its current amount anyway).

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I am one of those people, and Bitcoin gains were responsible for the majority of the payment. I can easily say that Bitcoin greatly and positively affected my life, and I wish the same to new investors. But people should be cautious and have some patience, because trying to get rich quick with things like altcoins or leveraged trading usually ends with losing all your investment. Waiting 2-3 years to achieve your dream is far better than gambling with your dream here and now.

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It is good to see some have benefited from the recent bitcoin bump, and because it is only a successful investment and not long-term thinking, but it is better than keeping cash, which has become more dangerous than acquiring Bitcoin.
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The word helped them may mean a simple 1% assistance or a payment of approximately 60%, not the full payments

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I can actually see myself doing this in the future, although I would have to admit that buying a house is out of the question for me, but perhaps on other 'important' purchases I would sell my bitcoins just to see it happen.

Also, this is fairly logical considering that a lot of young folks are already engaged in cryptocurrencies. This just goes to show how opportunities are being presented on people who use crypto, or those who know something about it.

The way I see it, more and more people in the future would probably thank bitcoin and crypto for simply being around when they are still trying to earn for their first car, or for the downpayment of their first house, especially on the youth who will benefit hugely from crypto in the future.

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I'm glad the number's up, but the difference between two quarters of the same year is small and, IMO, not enough to show the long-term dynamics. Isn't it curious, by the way, that they only show Q3 of 2019, Q3 of 2020 and Q4 of 2020? How about other quarters of these years? Or would showing them portray a very different picture? Also, 1 in 9 isn't that much, not to mention that it doesn't even mean that for 1 in 9 crypto was the decisive factor, right? I mean, that person who sold cryptos could have also sold something else, and considered both as significant contributing factors to making the first payment. Also, the whole dataset was 1,500 people, only 215 of whom answered the question about the money for a down payment. I'm not saying that there's no tendency to use cryptos more, I'm just not sure about this particular research and its significance.

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Just loving the whole concept of this. It is exactly what we do one way or other because I have myself sold bitcoin which I earned from the lets say forum, artwork selling and mining etc in the situations of emergency and thus made my way out of it.

No wonder these peeps sold it for something bigger like paying their down payments of new houses. They might have had good opportunities in the crypto field, earned handsome money from the bitcoin trades and what not. Its really a good sign actually as they got enormous support from the bitcoin side.

Imagine these would be the peeps who will never leave the crypto as it was there for them at the right time and place.

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Yup, we all do agree and you're right with that. Crypto has helped a lot of us from being low financially up to buying things that we need like what these people have bought, houses, cars, building up their businesses, and other things for the greater good.
It is no doubt that being in crypto and being wise when to sell contributed not just for each of us but also in the economy where we're living. This is why the government should see the positivity that it brings to each individual that's benefiting from owning cryptos.

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Quote from: Poker Player on January 12, 2022, 01:56:15 AM

Well, I would qualify and say that the savings they had invested in crypto helped them make the down payment. The savings was prior. It's not that selling crypto helped them save.

Quote from: Darker45 on January 11, 2022, 08:30:57 PM

It’s important that people will see the whole picture. Others have made downpayment for their homes while others have lost their rents. There are always two sides of a coin.

Yes, because the survey was done near ATHs. It seems that there were people who took advantage to make profits and take advantage to make the down payment, but if it had been at the bottom of a bear market the story would be different.

They sell to make money and that's a good decision to make but then they did a downpayment for a house. Selling thier crypto for the downpayment sounds not good for me. It will be good if they rent out these homes to someone with profit but if they have to continue paying for the monthly mortgage, it wouldn't look good in the next years.

I have first-hand experience in this which is why I set up my house for Airbnb to earn from it. If I have to buy a house, I'd really like to buy it in one full payment because it's a constant pressure on you and your wife.

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Well, I would qualify and say that the savings they had invested in crypto helped them make the down payment. The savings was prior. It's not that selling crypto helped them save.

Quote from: Darker45 on January 11, 2022, 08:30:57 PM

It’s important that people will see the whole picture. Others have made downpayment for their homes while others have lost their rents. There are always two sides of a coin.

Yes, because the survey was done near ATHs. It seems that there were people who took advantage to make profits and take advantage to make the down payment, but if it had been at the bottom of a bear market the story would be different.

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