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Topic: 124000 USD from bitcoins order from Overstock.com - page 2. (Read 4578 times)

legendary
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This may indirectly reduce volatility.

For example. I am an evil Bitcoin hoarder. Besides a few test cases (Amagi and local friends) I've simply sat on my Bitcoins for years. I believe they are extremely undervalued.

Yet... there have been multiple times where the exchange rate was simply going up too far, too fast (even for Bitcoin). I do not trust exchanges enough to play these extremely volatile periods, so in a sense I'm contributing to the volatility (by being an evil hoarder).

Now, when already established (meaning I can trust them) companies start accepting Bitcoins for goods and services, I can safely make purchases with Bitcoin (when I feel the exchange rate is going too far, too fast) which I would have normally made with fiat. During the following correction, I can repurchase those coins (locally) to replenish my evil hoard (after all, he who dies with the most bitcoins wins).

So... I will be patronizing merchants which accept Bitcoin. I will be reducing volatility by "selling" high and buying low. I will be getting goods and services at discounted prices.

Win, win, win.

Although, I will have to actually speculate that I'm correct about the exchange rate going too far, too fast. I guess I will be an evil speculator as well.

There is no bearish scenario for more merchants accepting Bitcoin. Sorry.

we need more "evil" speculators. the smart ones profit and reduce volatility while the dumb ones give us money!
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Holy crap.....epic!
What? He didn't send any miner fee. That bastard!
legendary
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So 40 people 10 days.  Let's assume 100k average salary which I think is probably high.  So (40*100k/365 days per year) * 10 days is kind of the amount of money spent on this effort -- although in practice how productive would those people have been doing other stuff right after xmas?

But I digress.  Total cost = 109k.  So in the FIRST DAY revenue (124k) was greater than development cost.  Anyone know overstock.com's markup?  Retail varies widely from 100% down to clearance items at 0%, but internet stores tend to be on the low side.  Let's just make up a number.  Say 10% markup.

So 12k profit, or ~10% of the cost to develop the feature was paid back in one day.  That's some pretty amazing numbers, regardless of what happens tomorrow.


PS: to all you people who think that people buying stuff will crash the price.  I generally hate to be so blunt but you are freaking morons, even if you are just saying it because you are short.  If enough product was sold to even depress the price it would be the top financial news item worldwide.



Their margin is 2%. CEO said btc was attractive because it's frictional cost is lower than credit card.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-28/overstock-ceo-bitcoins-gold-austrian-economics-and-zombies
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Holy crap.....epic!
legendary
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So 40 people 10 days.  Let's assume 100k average salary which I think is probably high.  So (40*100k/365 days per year) * 10 days is kind of the amount of money spent on this effort -- although in practice how productive would those people have been doing other stuff right after xmas?

But I digress.  Total cost = 109k.  So in the FIRST DAY revenue (124k) was greater than development cost.  Anyone know overstock.com's markup?  Retail varies widely from 100% down to clearance items at 0%, but internet stores tend to be on the low side.  Let's just make up a number.  Say 10% markup.

So 12k profit, or ~10% of the cost to develop the feature was paid back in one day.  That's some pretty amazing numbers, regardless of what happens tomorrow.


PS: to all you people who think that people buying stuff will crash the price.  I generally hate to be so blunt but you are freaking morons, even if you are just saying it because you are short.  If enough product was sold to even depress the price it would be the top financial news item worldwide.

sr. member
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this is bearish news.

Oh man, we've made a big mistake guys. The key to success is not to let any more people find out about bitcoin and discourage it's acceptance for services. Then the 25 of us can refuse to sell any of it to each other for less than a million dollars each, and tally up our riches!

Reasons to be a bear:
1) "No one is spending bitcoin!"
2) "No major retailers accept bitcoin!"
3) "Bitcoin isn't well known enough!"
4) "Too many people are spending! Ignore reason 1. Logical contradictions are ok!"

5) "I sold all my bitcoins!"



This is pretty accurate.  Cool
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Is it using gox price?
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Sometimes, well actually a lot of the time, I question why some of you are even registered on this board. A HUGE online retailer just started accepting bitcoin and you're complaining that $124k of sales in one day using a new, never before seen cryptocurrency that has a lot of growing to do isn't enough!?

How do you not comprehend the whole idea of natural growth? Nothing just comes out one day and is at 100% percent mainstream working status. When all of the major retailers start accepting btc and it has grown to an level never before seen, then you'll all complain that it's too big and will fail! Ridiculous.

::throws acorn at the ground::

"Where's my damn tree?!"
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Sometimes, well actually a lot of the time, I question why some of you are even registered on this board. A HUGE online retailer just started accepting bitcoin and you're complaining that $124k of sales in one day using a new, never before seen cryptocurrency that has a lot of growing to do isn't enough!?

How do you not comprehend the whole idea of natural growth? Nothing just comes out one day and is at 100% percent mainstream working status. When all of the major retailers start accepting btc and it has grown to an level never before seen, then you'll all complain that it's too big and will fail! Ridiculous.
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this is bearish news.

Oh man, we've made a big mistake guys. The key to success is not to let any more people find out about bitcoin and discourage it's acceptance for services. Then the 25 of us can refuse to sell any of it to each other for less than a million dollars each, and tally up our riches!

Reasons to be a bear:
1) "No one is spending bitcoin!"
2) "No major retailers accept bitcoin!"
3) "Bitcoin isn't well known enough!"
4) "Too many people are spending! Ignore reason 1. Logical contradictions are ok!"

5) "I sold all my bitcoins!"

6) Introducing some FUD here and there price will go down and I'll buy some coins cheaper...
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this is bearish news.

Oh man, we've made a big mistake guys. The key to success is not to let any more people find out about bitcoin and discourage it's acceptance for services. Then the 25 of us can refuse to sell any of it to each other for less than a million dollars each, and tally up our riches!

Reasons to be a bear:
1) "No one is spending bitcoin!"
2) "No major retailers accept bitcoin!"
3) "Bitcoin isn't well known enough!"
4) "Too many people are spending! Ignore reason 1. Logical contradictions are ok!"

5) "I sold all my bitcoins!"


 right!
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Aren't you freaking out?
That is 124000 USD more worth of probable coldstored Bitcoins that are heading straight for cash out on exchange!

You are correct, but the uber-bulls don't get it. The current price is sustained largely by hoarding, keeping the ask sum and coin sales
low on the exchanges. Overstock and other merchants have to sell the coins for fiat immediately, this is bearish news.
They probably won't sell on Gox, because of the withdrawal issues, but Bitstamp may see more seller pressure.

LOL



+1
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$124,000 is a lot? Divide that by $800 (lowball price) = 155 bitcoins.

155 seems like a pretty small number to crash the price in any way to me.

Yes, I know it's just started, but damn we have to spend some of these things to make it worthwhile to merchants and new investors, don't we?

In the meantime, keep a nice stash for yourself, and spread a little bitcoin love.

 

 
hero member
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this is bearish news.

Oh man, we've made a big mistake guys. The key to success is not to let any more people find out about bitcoin and discourage it's acceptance for services. Then the 25 of us can refuse to sell any of it to each other for less than a million dollars each, and tally up our riches!

Reasons to be a bear:
1) "No one is spending bitcoin!"
2) "No major retailers accept bitcoin!"
3) "Bitcoin isn't well known enough!"
4) "Too many people are spending! Ignore reason 1. Logical contradictions are ok!"

5) "I sold all my bitcoins!"
legendary
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this is bearish news.

Oh man, we've made a big mistake guys. The key to success is not to let any more people find out about bitcoin and discourage it's acceptance for services. Then the 25 of us can refuse to sell any of it to each other for less than a million dollars each, and tally up our riches!
sr. member
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low on the exchanges. Overstock and other merchants have to sell the coins for fiat immediately, this is bearish news.

In the short term, sure.  The holders indirectly liquidating, forcing the price of Bitcoin down.  However, you are overlooking the role that money velocity will play.  People will revert to converting USD -> BTC instead of liquidating their BTC savings accounts.  This velocity will end up driving the price of Bitcoin higher due to the lag between inflow and outflow per transaction.  Beyond this, major retailers jumping on board mean that powerful people have a vested interest in Bitcoin, potentially mitigating the threat of future regulation.  If you position the powerful to benefit from a technology, they are unlikely to regulate it.
hero member
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I never realized how evil I was...  Smiley

I didn't either until countless freaks on this forum have made it quite clear that hoarding and speculating are both the Devil's work.

"Hoarding" is the WORST argument of all time. I've been hoarding dollars every year (even though I shouldn't because dollars are economic turds) since the year I was born.
 
I spend my bitcoin, and when I do I instantly replenish my wallet on the majority of occasions.

But... but... Fucking deflation man! Economic death spirals.

Aren't you frightened?

Yes! "NOOOO MY MONEY IS WORTH MORE NOW, WHY DID I PUT MONEY INTO THIS SHIT!?!?!"

Literally every morning I wake up, think about buying in at $5, and think "I should have bought less... way less... this deflation shit is really getting out of control."
legendary
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I never realized how evil I was...  Smiley

I didn't either until countless freaks on this forum have made it quite clear that hoarding and speculating are both the Devil's work.

"Hoarding" is the WORST argument of all time. I've been hoarding dollars every year (even though I shouldn't because dollars are economic turds) since the year I was born.
 
I spend my bitcoin, and when I do I instantly replenish my wallet on the majority of occasions.

But... but... Fucking deflation man! Economic death spirals, and shit.

Aren't you frightened?
hero member
Activity: 1302
Merit: 502
I never realized how evil I was...  Smiley

I didn't either until countless freaks on this forum have made it quite clear that hoarding and speculating are both the Devil's work.

"Hoarding" is the WORST argument of all time. I've been hoarding dollars every year (even though I shouldn't because dollars are economic turds) since the year I was born.
 

I spend my bitcoin, and when I do I instantly replenish my wallet on the majority of occasions.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1012
I never realized how evil I was...  Smiley

I didn't either until countless freaks on this forum have made it quite clear that hoarding and speculating are both the Devil's work.

Edit: But now that I know, I embrace it...

Bwahah... bwahahahahahahahahahaha... bwahahahah... gasp... choke...
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